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"So Another Goy Dies. So?"

In the middle of a long string of comments on this post, ed and I had a little exchange. That exchange is unfinished. I invite ed or anyone else to complete the job here.

Here's the exchange, with minor editing for clarity:

Shmarya: [T]the rabbis decided to allow the rescue of non-observant Jews. Why? Because they might one day do teshuva and keep Shabbos.

Non-Jews, however, won't [ever] keep Shabbos, so they DIE.

ed: What's the problem with that? So another Goy dies. So?

Shmarya: You can't be serious[, ed]. Not even you could really mean it.

ed: Just recently, a local Chassidish Rov held a Drosha. "B'toch Hadvorim", he said - Alle Goyim Zenen Rotz'chim Und Ganovim.

Seriously. So one less Goy on the world. One less Soneh Yisroel. What's the problem?

Shmarya: Please name this "Rov."

ed: To the contrary, name me a Chassidish Rov that honestly disagrees. Here, try this one:

Rabbi Tzadok HaCohen of Lublin:

In the book "Poked Akarim" page 19, column 3, he wrote: "Concerning what is explained in Yevamot, 'You are called men,' and not the other nations, [the meaning is] that the Gentiles were deprived of the title 'men' only where Israel were called 'men,' because in comparison to Israel, who are the primary form of man in the Divine Chariot, it is irrelevant to call any of the Gentiles 'men'; at most, they are like animals in the form of men. Taken as themselves, however, all the children of Noah are considered men…and when the Messiah comes…they too will recognize and admit that there are none called 'man' except Israel…anyway, in comparison to Israel even now they are in the category of animals"

Shmarya: Do you have other sources like this? If you do, could you post 9 of them, please?

Do any of you have more sources like this? If so, please post them below.

Disgraced Chabad Rabbi Snared In Kosher Fraud – Scandal Rocks Australia – Chabad Rabbi Collected Fees But Did Not Inspect Plants, Beit Din Covered Up, AJN Claims

Rabbi Yosi Engel is in more trouble, adding to the possible criminal fraud charges stemming from a scam Hebrew school he ran that enlisted students without their or their parents knowledge or consent and then collected government funds for instruction never given, Now it's kosher food inspection fraud and it's all here in PDF. (Sorry, it's not available online yet, so you'll have to dowload and read the entire PDF) UPDATE 8-2-07: They're online now:

Page 1: Scandal Threatens Australian Kashrut.

Sidebar 1: The Food Comapnies' Stories.

Sidebar 2: How Kosher Supervision Works.

Sidebar 3: "I'm Here To Stay," Says Rabbi Engel.

All the stories as a PDF: Download ajn_832007_engel.pdf

Above is page one as a JPG image. Please click to enlarge.

[Hat Tip: TT.]

3 Satmar Hasidim Sentenced In Fraud Worth Hundreds Of Millions Of Dollars

Newsday reports:

The former chief executive of what was once one of Long Island's largest companies was sentenced yesterday to 15 years in prison for heading a decade-long fraud that kept the company afloat, but ended up costing creditors and stockholders $177million.

Herman Jacobowitz, the head of Brentwood-based Allou Healthcare, a distributor of health and beauty products and drugs, was ordered by U.S. District Judge John Gleeson in Brooklyn to make restitution of that money and to forfeit another $130million.

Jacobowitz's brother Aaron, who headed a number of unrelated companies that were used to launder money in the scheme, was sentenced to 10 years in prison by Gleeson, who ordered him to share in paying the hundreds of millions of dollars in forfeitures and restitution.

It is unlikely that creditors and stockholders will get much money back, because both brothers claim to be destitute.

A third brother, Jacob, the company's former executive vice president, is scheduled to be sentenced later in the week. Their father, Victor, also was arrested in connection with the investigation but has been considered too ill to face court appearances.

The Jacobowitz family is prominent in the Williamsburg Hasidic community, and the courtroom was packed with supporters.

Before he was sentenced, Herman Jacobowitz pleaded for mercy, wept, stamped his feet and cried out, "I'm sorry. ... It's on my mind day and night."

Their attorneys argued Herman and Aaron Jacobowitz should receive a reduced sentence because of their charitable work.

But Gleeson said he had little sympathy for their claim, calling it "utterly meritless," because the money they gave in charity had been gained through fraud.

While imposing the maximum sentences of 15 and 10 years that were agreed to under the plea-bargain, Gleeson said the two brothers were fortunate because if they had been convicted at trial he would have imposed a much more severe sentence because of the gravity of their offenses.

The Allou operation amounted to "12 years of fraud engaged in on a large scale on a daily basis," Gleeson said.

Richard Haddad, an attorney for the consortium of banks the Jacobowitzes defrauded, also had little sympathy for the plea for mercy based on charitable contributions. "Anyone can give away other people's money," Haddad said.…