A "New Form" Of "Terrorism" Uses "Roses," Not Guns, Haredi Org Says

Israel is facing a new front with the Arabs. A terrorism that is fought with roses. They target young, vulnerable Jewish girls and they often pretend they are Jewish. “He wore a kippa and said Amen to brachas,” explained Sara, a girl who was rescued from a village. I had no idea he wasn’t Jewish until he took me to his home.”

 

From Yeshiva World:

A New Form of Terrorism With Jewish Girls as the Victims

Israel is facing a new front with the Arabs. A terrorism that is fought with roses. They target young, vulnerable Jewish girls and they often pretend they are Jewish. “He wore a kippa and said Amen to brachas,” explained Sara, a girl who was rescued from a village. I had no idea he wasn’t Jewish until he took me to his home.”

Jewish girls all over the country and from every class and nationality are falling into these traps. “It has definitely hit the frum world, explained Patty Kupfer from Learn and Return (www.learnandreturn.org.il) No one is immune. They target the most vulnerable girls who are lacking love and acceptance and shower them with gifts and attention. Before she realizes it, she is hooked and he takes her into his village never to return. The abuse these girls suffer is unbelievable”, explained Kupfer.

Organizations estimate that there are over 10,000 Jewish girls in Arab villages. Though they may go willingly at first, they are not free to leave. Hotlines in Israel receive over 1,000 calls a year from girls begging to be rescued. “What percentage does the 1,000 phone calls represent? How many girls are really trapped and how many can’t get to a phone? “asked Kupfer.

Learn and Return tries to prevent girls from getting trapped be reaching out to them when they are still in the relationship stage. They have saved over 300 girls to date. For more information or to donate, please go towww.learnandreturn.org.il

What about all the women trapped in bad marriages by haredi rabbis who refuse to find solutions for their version of halakha which allows men to extort their wives and leave them agunot, sometimes for decades?

What about the spousal abuse that goes unreported because haredi rabbis order women not to call police?

What about all the Jewish men who were historically portrayed by Christians and Muslims as pimps and soul-snatchers when they dated non-Jewish women?

It is very easy to demonize the other – especially when that other is darker skinned and male.

This doesn't mean that are not occasional instances in which Jewish women are held against their will in Arab villages. But the truth is that the vast majority of relationships are consentual, and the women don't leave because they do not want to.

Comments

[singlemalt]

Agree.

[marc]

There may be problems and abus in the haredi system but this is a good organization why hate on them

[B]

So, if someone is working on solving a problem which is not one of your pet causes (meaning, is not a real or purported problem of the haredi world,) we should be dismissive of it? You are no better than the authorities in Roterham who ignored British girls being seduced and then used by Muslims because it was not politically correct to see it as a problem.

>It is very easy to demonize the other – especially when that other is darker skinned and male.

Most of the women who are preyed upon by these Arab loverboys are from a lower class non-religious Sepharadi background, so dark skin is not the issue. As for misandry, talk about the pot calling the kettle black-don't you always assume the man is in the wrong when there is a dispute between a religious couple? Further, when there are accusations leveled at religious Jews, don't you always side with the accuser?

>But the truth is that the vast majority of relationships are consentual, and the women don't leave because they do not want to.

You have nothing to back up that assertion, and you are only making it to dismiss the issue, because it is an issue of interest only to the religious Jews (most of the secular ones find these sorts of marriages inspiring as an example of how we can live together with our neighbors, or just find it convenient to dismiss them as a phenomenon.) I am pretty sure that there are more Jewish women unhappily married to Arabs than there are "agunot."

[SimoneF]

"this is a good organization why hate on them"

Because they are liars and racists, that's why.

[JACK]

Shmaryah,has your criminally insane and demented self hatred no limit?
In other words according to your demented and twisted logic,there is absolutely no difference if a Jewish girl marries a Muslim and moves with him toGaza or Ramalah or if she marries a fellow Jew and lives in BneiBrak.
Shmaryah,you are having a mental breakdown right in front of our eyes,
You have lost your mind,you are like a rabid dog foaming at the mouth with an insane pathological self hate.
Please,for your own sake get out of that dingy basement go get a job and rejoin normal civilization

[WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed]

Be wary of any man who claims to be an orthodox Jew. You'll be screwed whether he is or isn't.

[Sarek]

Does it happen in reverse, i.e. Arab girls seducing Jewish guys?

[dh]

JACK - aw, why hate on ?

[WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed]

These Arab scumbags use the same techniques that frumma Kiruv organizations do- preying upon the most vulnerable people they can find as targets.
Religious scum have so much in common.

[ah-pee-chorus]

I have no problem with a jewish girl making an informed decision to date or marry an arab man. However, 2 things bother me about the scenario described.

1. It's disturbing that the same muslim men who have no problem courting and marrying jewish girls would most likely NEVER put up with their sisters or daughters dating and marrying a jewish man. Does anyone know the stats for how many jewish male/muslim female marriages there are in Israel? I imagine it's quite small relative to the reverse.

2. The deceit in the described story is troubling. It's one thing if the girl knows he's muslim and wants to pursue it. It's quite another when specific acts are undertaken to trick her.

[Account Deleted]

WSC on target 100% with pithy comments. Exceptional even by the usual high standard.

[SimoneF]

APC "It's disturbing that the same muslim men who have no problem courting and marrying jewish girls would most likely NEVER put up with their sisters or daughters dating and marrying a jewish man. "

How do you know this?

[SimoneF]

WSC: "These Arab scumbags use the same techniques ....preying upon the most vulnerable people they can find as targets."

So you believe what Learn and Return says?

This is nothing but racist anti-miscegenation crap.

Turning an issue of "men and women" into an issue of race.

[SimoneF]

"Anxious to find out more about flower-based terror, I did what any normal person would do: set up a fake email address and contacted Learn and Return with a concern about Jewish women being kidnapped to the Gaza Strip for use as human shields.

The response, from the group’s director Patty Kupfer, was immediate. Apparently, not only had a Jewish girl already been kidnapped to Gaza, she had also been “wired [with explosives] and sent in[to] a tunnel.” This particular story had a “happy ending,” however:

“When an Israeli soldier saw her, he thought he would die in the explosion [but] she threw up her arms and cried, ‘I’m Jewish and my mother is Jewish.’ They ‘unwired’ her and everyone was saved - including her 2 children. "

Right. Anyone who believes this is an idiot.

[WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed]

Simone, I do not doubt that there are radical Moslem scumbags whose goal isn't a happy marriage with a nice girl who happens to be Jewish, but instead it is subterfuge as part of a long-term plan to destroy the Jewish population, one person at a time.
Therefore, it isn't about being anti-miscegenation.

No doubt, there are legitimate love stories that Learn and Return try to ruin, and that is unfortunate, but I am not so naïve as to think that the radical Moslem creeps aren't capable of the lowest tactics.

[WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed]

Pard, thanks.

[Nussi]

You are such a little man its pathetic .
You turn any and every
story into your personal agenda against your own people.
If you think you are speaking for the masses turn your blog
Into a paying blog and see how many people will read it
You are a poor excuse for a human
Go ahead reply with your. Usual insults u
Can dish it out but can't take it

[singlemalt]

Nussi, When I first saw that video my impression was that it smells like propaganda. Then Yeshiva World News or whatever does a story on it and you have 100 ' s of people thinking a girl can only marry an Arab y decent and that they all are mistreating their wives. Now any rational person knows that isn't true. So, instead of facing the real issue of abuse among religious communities, it becomes an anti - arab issue. If Orthodox Jews were honest about their issues and actually practices the principles preached, this blog would be called Successful Messiah. So don't blame Shmarya for what we created.

[singlemalt]

That should say marry an Arab through deceit

[B]

>Turning an issue of "men and women" into an issue of race.

It's not an issue of race (as many Arabs are genetically Jewish, coming from Jews converted a few centuries ago, and the Jewish girls they are marrying are largely from a Middle Eastern Jewish background.) It's not an issue of "men and women"-the women are held prisoner in what is effectively a third world country a world away from a police force and judicial system capable of standing up for them. They are treated as women are typically treated in Arab societies, i.e., as talking cattle. They have no rights, recourse or possibility of flight.

Not everything in this world maps to your Upper West Side conceits, princess.

[B]

Some rabbis abuse children and embezzle money. Failed Messiah readership: "haredim are scum who will try to screw you! We must protect the children and the public!"

Some Arabs marry Jewish girls (under false pretenses or not,) take them away from rule of law and treat them like livestock. Failed Messiah readership: "these are isolated cases! Propaganda and lies! If you notice, you're a racist! If you call for something to be done, you're worse than Hitler!"

Some haredim take advantage of their high birthrates to take control of small towns in Rockland County, diverting money to their schools and not meeting local fire regulations. Failed Messiah readership: "haredim are scum! The government must crush them! Don't let them live near you! Don't believe their lies! They stink!"

African illegal immigrants rape children and grandmothers in South Tel Aviv, covering their neighborhood in garbage, stealing on an industrial scale, violating every conceivable sanitary standard and turning the place into a war zone. Failed Messiah readership: "those poor refugees! How dare the racist Israelis not embrace their diversity?! How dare they demand the refugees go back to their country? Don't they know that their home country is a war zone, full of theft, rape and violence?! RACISTS!!!"

This phenomenon is best explained by something called "leapfrogging loyalties," described by Steve Sailer here: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/04/liberalism-as-leapfrogging-loyalties.html

Sure, it's despicable, but it's adaptive. You can always demonstrate you are holier than those bad Jews, at their expense to boot.

[SimoneF]

WSC "I do not doubt that there are radical Moslem scumbags whose goal isn't a happy marriage with a nice girl who happens to be Jewish, but instead it is subterfuge as part of a long-term plan to destroy the Jewish population, one person at a time."

Is your comment meant to be satirical?

[SimoneF]

B: "Not everything in this world maps to your Upper West Side conceits, princess."

I didn't realize that FailedMessiah was a pickup joint fo gay men. I'm all for gay rights, but prefer it if people like "B" would keep their queenie pickup attempts to gay bars and clubs.

[SimoneF]

Here's one of their posters. Worthy of Germany 1936.

http://heebmagazine.com/letter-learn-live-jewess-need-saving/49784

[WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed]

++SimoneF | September 17, 2014 at 04:48 PM++

No. How about your comments?

++SimoneF | September 17, 2014 at 05:01 PM++

I would agree that Learn and Live is a far right group of hate mongers, but there is truth in their underlying concern.

[gree]

SimoneF
Could you explain your comment that you made to B. The connection evades me.

[SimoneF]

WSC - do you have any evidence of this "long-term plan to destroy the Jewish population one person at a time" by marrying Jewish girls?

I don't doubt that plenty of Arabs wish to destroy the Jewish population, but the idea of intermarriage as their strategy is just silly.

[SimoneF]

Gree - flirting with other guys and calling them queenie names such as "princess" seems like a fairly obvious sign to me.

[B]

Simone-here are some interesting observations we can make:

1) You assumed I am a man.

2) Of everything I've said, the only thing you have a rejoinder to is me calling you "princess." No substantive answers.

3) You assumed that, despite the feminine way in which you spell your name, I knew you were a male.

4) You assumed that I was referring to you as a princess as a homophobic insult, rather than as a reference to your sheltered worldview (for instance.)

5) You think that homophobic slurs are acceptable when used against people whose opinions you disagree with, and assumed they would be a good rhetorical tactic, as I would presumably be offended.

That's quite...silly of you, no?

[B]

>WSC - do you have any evidence of this "long-term plan to destroy the Jewish population one person at a time" by marrying Jewish girls?

Your time spent coming up with homophobic insults would be better spent reading history. Specifically, the story of the Battle of the Trench, its aftermath, and what happened to the women of the Banu Qurayza (from whom much of the current Saudi population is descended.) Then look at the behavior of Muslims against the Yezidi women in Sinjar. Then take a look at the Roterham rape gang, the Derby rape gang, the Telford rape gang and the Rochdale rape gang. Analyze their pattern of behavior. Muslims always view the women of non-Muslims as prizes to be taken in jihad, and if jihad can't be conducted by violent means due to temporary weakness, it is to be conducted by other means, like seduction.

[WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed]

B, excellent posts.

[SimoneF]

B -

A) Your racist comments, truly worthy of a European Neo-Nazi, don't merit debating: "African illegal immigrants rape children and grandmothers in South Tel Aviv, covering their neighborhood in garbage, stealing on an industrial scale, violating every conceivable sanitary standard and turning the place into a war zone."

B) Your other comments are just plain dumb: e.g. "many Arabs are genetically Jewish" (whatever that is) and too idiotic and ignorant to be worth a response.

B) Yes, I assumed you are are a man. Are you a woman?

C) What homophobic slurs are you referring to? I said nothing homophobic. I merely asked you to keep your attempts at flirting to other (more appropriate) venues. Nothing homophobic about that.

D) I didn't think calling me "princess" was homophobic. I took it as inappropriate, which is the case whether I'm male or female. And I'm not on or from the Upper West Side - another stupid comment of yours.

E) I don't spell my name a "feminine" way. I spell it the Italian way. But then you're too ignorant to be aware of that spelling.

[SimoneF]

B - and like every racist, you take a selection of the actions of some, and apply them to the whole group as if they are some sort of coherent agenda or racial/ethnic/religious feature.

Your posts are no different from Neo-Nazi websites, where they post stuff about Jewish history and supposed descent, stuff about Jewish swindlers and "patterns of behavior."

[SimoneF]

WSC - "excellent posts."

You agree with this Neo-Nazi garbage? I thought you were smarter than that.

[Michael-Meir]

1. Is it due to some sort of genetic defect that these Jewish women lack Jewdar and can be tricked into mistaking an Arab for a Jew?

2. Islam permits a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim woman because the children inherit their religious identity from their father. A Muslim woman, however, is not allowed to marry a non-Muslim man.

[ah-pee-chorus]

SimoneF-

I know it because its islamic law. Can you provide an answer to my question about the stats? I'd bet every penny i have the number of arab girls married to jews in israel is much smaller than the reverse.

[Just Curious]

SimoneF --

Although I have rarely agreed with B in the past, I agree with WSC that B is making sense here. (Your genuine surprise at WSC at 10:02 was priceless, by the way.)

You are not.

Frankly, your "queenie pickup attempts" post earlier was simultaneously so nonsensical and so offensive as to cast doubt upon the substance of any and every other point you have endeavored to make here.

[Just Curious]

Regarding the subject of Shmarya's post: I don't know anything about this (and I certainly don't believe it simply because a chareidi new outlet reports on a chareidi organization devoted to fighting it). Is this a legitimate phenomenon that people are aware of? That is, Arab men seducing religious Jewish women by subterfuge for the purpose of abducting/imprisoning them?

I have no doubt that secular Israelis (men and women) have no qualms about dating Arabs (as Shmarya seems to imply in his last paragraph), but the notion of Arabs impersonating chareidi Jews and actually fooling chareidi women into following them to decidedly non-chareidi Arab villages (as this "Learn & Return" organization suggests) seems a little farfetched.

So is this actually a real phenomenon? (WSC, your comments above suggest that you might have some insight.) Or just another boogeyman chareidim have conjured up like smartphones or, rachmana latzlan, colorful clothing?

[SimoneF]

APC: "I'd bet every penny i have the number of arab girls married to jews in israel is much smaller than the reverse."

So what? And if the numbe of white men married to black women is much smaller than the reverse, what does that show? That you're a racist too?

[SimoneF]

Just Curious: "your "queenie pickup attempts" post earlier was simultaneously so nonsensical and so offensive"

Why? Evidently you don't hang around many gay men. The term "queenie" is in common usage to describe exactly what it sounds like - like calling another man "princess." There's nothing offensive about the term "queenie."

[Just Curious]

While you're correct that I may be not be up-to-date on the most current gay slang, simply b/c it may acceptable for gay men to call each other "queenie" doesn't really give you the right to attempt to use the suggestion of "gayness" as a slur against B (which is clearly what you were trying to do, or you wouldn't have said it).

It is certainly not the term "queenie" I find offensive (though unless you are a gay man speaking to another gay man, you probably don't have license to use it in good faith), it is your incredibly misguided and failed attempt at mean-spirited humor at B's expense.

[gree]

SimoneF
Are you truly a man or are you a woman as the spelling of your name suggests?

[WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed]

SimoneF, you have a strong sense of ethics and values based upon principles of fairness, equality, and democracy.
Problems arise when you assume that ruthless religious fanatics, whose mindset lags ours by 700 years, share your values. They don't.

There are decent moderate Moslems whose voices are suppressed by fear of their fanatical co-religionists. Change in the Moslem world to liberate those moderates will have to come from within, and may take several more generations.

I consider myself a liberal Democrat, but I don't consider myself naive, especially about the realities of radical Islam.

[Just Curious]

WSC, just out if curiosity, why do you use the spelling "Moslem" rather than the more common "Muslim"?

[Just Curious]

"I consider myself a liberal Democrat, but I don't consider myself naive, especially about the realities of radical Islam."

If that's the case, I'm afraid you're pretty much the only one...

Can one recognize the danger posed by radical Islam and still be considered a liberal Democrat these days? (No true Scotsman, anyone?)

[WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed]

Just Curious, I hear what you're saying.

Up until a few years ago, everyone spelled it 'Moslem'. That's also how it's pronounced here in the USA. Somewhere along the line, it was decided that 'Muslim' is more politically correct. Maybe that transition happened when Farrakhan was a big player in the news.

I've noticed that 'Koran' is being written as 'Quran' in more and more places.

I'll stick with 'Moslem' and 'Koran'.

[Enoch]

So let's do nothing, since we did the same!

Not our problem since we are all circuncized boys and not vulnerable girls and let's blame haredi again for a jewish woman's problem.

F**k logic, Shmarya!

Are you praying all those s**t "shelo assani isha" in your siddur again?

Of course we have to condemn our mistakes! But we need to condemn and alert jewish girls of all dangers they're in!

Finally, you speak about demonize other easily.

But haredim are other to you, Shmarya — you are not more chabad, neither hassid or haredi.

So YOU are demonizing others for your own stupid bigotry and having arguing with Lubavitcher Rebbe is NO EXCUSE.