Top Haredi Leader Says Only God Is Protecting Israel, Offers No Thanks Or Support For IDF, Iron Dome Scientists
During the time of Jeremiah the Prophet, people lacked trust in God, and when the people were asked why they were not engaged in Torah study, they answered that they had to earn a living. Today, God is once again showing us miracles to remind us and to compel us to remember that even if we do not see it with our own eyes, everything is a miracle – it is all miracles.
Above: Rabbi Aharon Leib Steinman
Top Haredi Leader Says Only God Is Protecting Israel, Offers No Thanks Or Support For IDF, Iron Dome Scientists
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com
Yated Ne’eman, the mouthpiece of the mainstream faction of non-hasidic Ashkenazi haredim led by 100-year-old Rabbi Aharon Leib Steinman, published an article detailing Steinman’s thoughts on Israel’s current war with Hamas, Yeshiva World reported.
“[At all times,] our whole life is a miracle, [but] in recent days we see miracles and wonders that surpass nature,” Steinman reportedly said, apparently referring to the massive barrage of rockets and missiles fired at Israeli population centers from Gaza and the miniscule number of injuries they have caused.
Not a single person among the Jewish people has not seen these miracles taking place across the Land of Israel now, and we must be genuinely aware of God’s interventions to protect us and save us, Steinman insisted.
Steinman quoted Maimonides’ commentary on the Torah from the end of Parshat Bo (Exodus 10:1–13:16) that says the world is run by miracles, but we have become so accustomed to them we refer to the day-to-day operation of the world as “natural.” But, Steinman said, the so-called natural is really miraculous, noting that as the Jews wandered in the desert after fleeing Egypt, manna to feed them fell from heaven every day. Even though the Jewish people knew this was God’s doing, they became so accustomed to it happening that they came to view it as an expected, normal occurrence.
“…All our life is a miracle,” Steinman continued. “[But] people do not notice it, because they have become acclimated to it, and that's what we say in prayer three times a day, “‘Your [God’s] miracles are with us every day; the entire world is a miracle.’"
Steinman also said that during the time of Jeremiah the Prophet, people lacked trust in God, and when the people were asked why they were not engaged in Torah study, they answered that they had to earn a living. Today, God is once again showing us miracles to remind us and to compel us to remember that even if we do not see it with our own eyes, everything is a miracle – it is all miracles, Steinman said.
Steinman did not credit or thank the IDF, the soldiers who fight – and sometimes die – in it, the scientists who designed Israel’s missile defense system the Iron Dome, or the US, which funded it, and did not ask Jews to pray for the safety or the success of any of them.
Shmarya
Whenwe don't pray for our soldiers, you are up in arms. I ask why? If G-d's got no say in this matter, why pray? If prayer is senseless, why make an issue of who we pray for?
If you do agree that G-d is commandeering his vessel, then why ridicule rabbis who say so?
Please take some time to reconcile your contradictory postings.
Posted by: Jekyll Jacobson | July 24, 2014 at 06:42 AM
Oh, please.
I answered this point previously and you know it.
The point is NOT what I believe – it what STEINMAN believes.
He believes prayer is necessary and that it really helps, and therefore his refusal to thank the IDf and IDF soldiers and to specifically pray for them is very telling.
Posted by: Shmarya | July 24, 2014 at 07:22 AM
Shmarya
When you argue that Haredim should enlist, I can sympathize with that. But when you blatantly mock Torah study and prayer then why expect us to pray for you and your kind?
Perhaps Steinman believes that IDF are Jews just like the rest of us; he called for praying for ALL jews.
Posted by: Jekyll Jacobson | July 24, 2014 at 08:25 AM
Jekyll, you obviously are a loyalist to the current crop of Heredi leaders, so I ask you to consider this question.
Do you think great harm would occur to the body of faithful Jews if the leadership demonstrated gratitude, not only to god, but also to the human beings who are providing them with measurable and very real benefit?
Does the Rabbi spit in the eye of the doctor who performs surgery, and rather than say thank god and thank you, does the Rabbi tell the doctor he is just a tool and deserves no thanks?
Anyone should be able to see that the practice of gratitude toward man will only help to enhance real gratitude toward god. Ingratitude towards man makes you an ungrateful person, period. Hence a failure as a jew as well.
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 24, 2014 at 08:25 AM
Once again, how ironic that this guy is a better "Jew" than most http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182902#.U8QNcfldV8E
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 24, 2014 at 08:29 AM
I say this to these delusional pieces of filth. Go out into the desert and daven. We will provide your coordinates to Hamas. Let us test the rabbis beliefs.
Posted by: Alter Kocker | July 24, 2014 at 08:36 AM
“‘Your [God’s] miracles are with us every day; the entire world is a miracle.’"
The problem is that most of the “miracles” that God “created” are so horrible that human beings have had to spent centuries trying to defends itself from them – and only within the last two centuries have we begun to have some success against the nightmares that God keeps throwing at us. These include:
Killer bacteria and viruses which have tortured and killed untold millions of innocent people throughout history and which the Torah, in its “wisdom” told us nothing about– nor did the so called Talmudic sages.
Childhood leukemia, multiple sclerosis, cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy, brain tumors, breast cancer. Enough horror and suffering to keep medical researchers busy for centuries protecting humanity against the “wonders” that God put in his creation.
Droughts, floods, famines, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornados, lightening strikes, fires. The rabbis not only give God “credit” for putting all these in his world but actually have the chutzpah to call these natural killers “miracles” since “everything is a miracle.”
And we’re supposed to thank such a God for his “kindness and mercy.” Is this world really the best that he can do with infinite power and knowledge?
Posted by: Allan | July 24, 2014 at 08:55 AM
Why doesn't he just go out and hold his arms up like Moses? That should stop the missiles.
Posted by: Sarek | July 24, 2014 at 09:02 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/iran-supreme-leader-the-only-solution-for-crisis-is-israels-destruction/
This Iranian spiritual leader has much in common with Steinman, in that they both claim to have knowledge of who god is and what he wants.
The saddest part is that the Iranian spiritual leader has an actual plan, as grotesque and inhumane as it may be, may just work to accomplish his stated goal.
Steinman's leadership and head in the sand approach will only help weaken the Jewish cause as his people suck the material life force from the State, and help The Iranian plan succeed.
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 24, 2014 at 09:25 AM
Have we so easily forgotten that a very short while ago in an FM posting about the Charedi British schools an ex-student explained how the word SCIENCE was unknown to him during his entire school experience?
Of course these are all miracles! This Rabbi went to a similar school and knows not of SCIENCE.
Ironically, back in the days of the Talmud, when the SCIENCE did not actually exist, people did not assume all was by miracle. Even MBP was instituted because that was the best 'science' at the time. Noone then wanted to rely on miracles to keep the baby well. Today of course parents who do allow MBP must then rely on miracles to keep the baby well and unfortunately for some, the miracle doesn't come... but then the science of treating the infection is desperately sought...
This science v. miracle mess really needs to be addressed. They aren't winning the PR war (with other observant Jews) by claiming that there is no science while fully taking advantage of it when it suits them.
Posted by: noname | July 24, 2014 at 09:59 AM
Just where does Jeremiah rebuke the people about caring more about earning a living than about "Torah Study"?
I couldn't find any mention of this quote in Tanach. Anyone care to enlighten me with an exact quote from Tanach itself (and not some stupid ass made up midrash that some medieval rabbi made up)?
Posted by: RWisler | July 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM
Pard
You are absolutely right. I agree that giving credit where credit is due and recognition shown is what inspires scientists to create for the people.
Perhaps we need BOTH. I can make the precise argument to the כחי ועוצם ידי community who refuses to see the hand of G-d and sees only the human element.
Posted by: Jekyll Jacobson | July 24, 2014 at 11:01 AM
RWisler
Isn't the Torah man made too by some primitive tribe's leader? Where do you stop?
Posted by: Jekyll Jacobson | July 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM
The key distinction, Jekyll, is that god is big enough to fight his own battles, and it is not anyone's concern or right to hurt another human being because of your Faith or your unsubstantiated convictions about your reality.
Denying due gratitude to another human being has very real world detrimental effects upon human behavior. When leaders are so profoundly ungrateful as is Steinman, any decent human being should consider if that is an appropriate example to follow.
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 24, 2014 at 11:41 AM
Youre going to burn in Gehinnom for trashing Rav Steinman, Sharmya. Go die in a hole
Posted by: Mati | July 24, 2014 at 12:24 PM
Mati,
Your post encapsulates everything that is evil and wrong about haredi judaism and those who swear allegiance to same.
Well done.
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 24, 2014 at 12:32 PM
there isn't a hell. But if there was it would be wicked men like steinman who would be filling it.
Posted by: Josh | July 24, 2014 at 01:17 PM
Put aside, for a moment if possible, the technical issues that make intermarriage the worst of all sins. I thought this was an example of what humanity has to offer. Why does Steinman deliver a message of ingratitude and these "sinners" deliver a message of kindness and appreciation?
http://money.cnn.com/video/technology/2014/07/23/jews-and-arabs-refuse-to-be-enemies.cnnmoney/
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 24, 2014 at 01:18 PM
"Steinman quoted Maimonides’ commentary on the Torah from the end of Parshat Bo (Exodus 10:1–13:16)"
you probably meant to write NACHMANides
Posted by: water | July 24, 2014 at 01:40 PM
Still, I ask... Where is this supposed "episode from the time of Jeremiah" that this guy made?
JekyllJ is too ignorant of Tanach to answer (typical of Orthodox Jews), so he desperately resorts to spewing insults at me.
Posted by: RWisler | July 24, 2014 at 02:42 PM
If you don't believe than what difference does it make how or who anyone is praying. If you do believe than you can only pray to G-d. If only because it is He that put the wisdom into the scientist and technologists to think of and bring to market the iron dome. Same for everything else.
You are such a loser that you just can't tolerate any point of view other that your own crooked one
Posted by: n ' Aron d'KJ | July 24, 2014 at 06:36 PM
Pard
Celebrating human beings in such trying times can easily lead one to forget that all is in the hand of G-d. כחי ועוצם ידי is what leads one to deny G-d's role in victory and in other accomplishments. Of course, if religion means nothing to you then I have nothing further to say to you.
On the same note, as an American I thank our troops for serving our country when meeting them in various airports while traveling.
BTW has anyone seen ANY posters thanking the IDF and IRON DOME ANYWHERE in Israel?
Just askin'.
Posted by: Jekyll Jacobson | July 24, 2014 at 08:59 PM
Everything is in Gods hands why pray if he is going to do what he what's to do anyway?
Posted by: Milhouse | July 24, 2014 at 11:31 PM
Scientists need brains, remember? Where do brains come from? Why haven't Arabs invented anything similar?
Perhaps we ought to focus on why so few medical doctors are atheists. They see life and death, like no one else, and with their superior brainpower and abilities, unlike many "if I cant see it and understand it fully, it probably doesn't exist" ninkenpoops, most medical doctors feel theres a higher being than themselves.
Posted by: IRRELIGIOUS.CRIMINALS.OK? | July 25, 2014 at 12:23 AM
RWisler
There is no passage in Tanakh that clearly states that. It is merely a Mechilta ("that some medieval rabbi made up"- yes you miserable apikores) based on the following verses in Tanakh:
[שמות טו לג]
ויאמר משה אל אהרן קח צנצנת אחת
ותן שמה מלא העומר מן והנח אותו לפני ה' למשמרת לדורותיכם
[ירמי׳ ב לא]
הדור אתם ראו דבר ה׳ המדבר הייתי לישראל אם ארץ מאפליה מדוע אמרו עמי רדנו לוא נבוא עוד אליך
BTW Steinman never claimed it to appear in Tanakh.
Posted by: Jekyll Jacobson | July 25, 2014 at 12:29 AM
So what you are saying is that rabbis have been making stuff up since forever to create credibility for their manufactured religion.
That is pretty much what every theologian in every religion has done and continues to do.
Just infer what you want and away you go. If you could invent inallability or daas torah to mean that god backs up your imagination then you are really on a roll.
Posted by: Josh | July 25, 2014 at 02:07 AM
to IRRELIGIOUS:
Can we have some makor for the statement:
"so few medical doctors are atheists."
How do you know? Is this based on your personal experience in speaking to the ones you visited? Since when is it OK to patronize people who advance SCIENCE when that doesn't exist? Shouldn't that be assur? Furthermore, pretty much every medical doctor alive today (who according to you is not likely an atheist) is against MBP for very clear SCIENTIFIC reasons. How do you reconcile that with your statement above?
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Posted by: noname | July 25, 2014 at 05:27 AM
Jekyell
“Celebrating human beings in such trying times can easily lead one to forget that all is in the hand of G-d. כחי ועוצם ידי is what leads one to deny G-d's role in victory and in other accomplishments. Of course, if religion means nothing to you then I have nothing further to say to you.”
Perhaps you misunderstand the point.
Nothing occurs in this world without a natural mechanism. There is of course room for debate about what drives the force in nature. It is certain, however, that without an Army fighting for Israel against Hamas, there would be no defense. Without a surgeon to perform his role, there is no way god will remove your infected appendix. Without working, you cannot have money to meet your responsibilities. These are basic elements of reality that cannot be debated.
Unfortunately, Haredim do not show gratitude to the army that with gods help (or not) defends their homes. Haredim do not admit the doctor heals 9with god’s help) the ill, Haredim do not plan to meet their responsibilities to pay their own way because they make irresponsibility on that front an act of faith, but are fine defaulting to welfare and fraud when god does not deliver manna to their doorstep.
In a broad analysis, that kind of behavior is ungrateful and delusional.
Especially in a time like this the spiritual leaders should use the opportunity to bolster the key middah of gratitude and practice thanking those who provide you with assistance.
Anything other approach, namely the one being universality employed by Haredi leadership is pathetic at best, delusional, ungrateful and if we wish to be metaphysical about it evil in the eyes of any concept of a righteous god.
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 25, 2014 at 06:54 AM
@IRRELIGIOUS CRIMINALS OK?
I'd also like to see some proof for your claim that "few doctors are atheists?" Please tell me the survey you're relying on, who conducted it and when.
Physicians must have at least some familiarity with the Theory of Evolution, at least from their pre-med biology. The Torah's "Intelligent Design Theory" is found only in yeshivas, not in the world's medical schools.
@"Where did the brain come from?"
The same place all our other organs came from. By a long slow process of evolution over millions years. We have uncovered all kinds of hominid (human) species in Africa and one can easily see the gradual increase in brain size over the last 4 million years.
Posted by: Allan | July 25, 2014 at 07:15 AM
Jekyell---"Of course, if religion means nothing to you then I have nothing further to say to you.
Religion to me means good cholent and good kishkes,kugkleh also included otherwise it is a pain and struggle:)
Posted by: jancsibacsi | July 25, 2014 at 07:54 AM
This is the survey RELIGIOUS.CRIMINALS.OK? relied on. But being religious he may have misunderstood its conclusion.
http://psr.sagepub.com/content/17/4/325
Jekyll Jacobson - You cannot be a miserable apikores. Epicurus was a believer in the pursuing the 'good life'. Thomas Jefferson who was influenced by Epicurus had 'the pursuit of happiness' put in the US Constitution. So calling R Wisler a miserable apikorus is like calling him a stupid Einstein!. For Haredi Judaism 'pursuit of misery' is a goal (for Satmar it is the pursuit of death). That is why the european rabbis were so against immigration to the US.
Posted by: barry | July 25, 2014 at 09:48 AM
OBJECTIVE
To provide a baseline description of physicians' religious characteristics, and to compare physicians' characteristics with those of the general U.S. population.
DESIGN/PARTICIPANTS
Mailed survey of a stratified random sample of 2,000 practicing U.S. physicians. Comparable U.S. population data are derived from the 1998 General Social Survey.
MEASUREMENTS/RESULTS
The response rate was 63%. Fifty-five percent of physicians say their religious beliefs influence their practice of medicine. Compared with the general population, physicians are more likely to be affiliated with religions that are underrepresented in the United States, less likely to say they try to carry their religious beliefs over into all other dealings in life (58% vs 73%), twice as likely to consider themselves spiritual but not religious (20% vs 9%), and twice as likely to cope with major problems in life without relying on God (61% vs 29%).
CONCLUSIONS
Physicians' religious characteristics are diverse and they differ in many ways from those of the general population. Researchers, medical educators, and policy makers should further examine the ways in which physicians' religious commitments shape their clinical engagements.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1490160/
Posted by: IRRELIGIOUS.CRIMINALS.OK? | July 25, 2014 at 10:10 AM
"The response rate was 63%. Fifty-five percent of physicians say their religious beliefs influence their practice of medicine. Compared with the general population, physicians are more likely to be affiliated with religions"
Excellent find!
Next time I am at the doctor's office I will refuse to pay him, and I may just unrinate on his floor while cursing him at the same time, for his worthless contribution to society.
I owe thanks to god alone!
And the doctor should know that, that piece of human waste...
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 25, 2014 at 10:23 AM
@IRRELIGIOUS
Thanks for posting the results of the survey. But these results do not support your position. They clearly support the opposite position -that physicians are LESS religious than the general population. It’s right there in black and white.
“ [Physicians are] less likely to say they try to carry their religious beliefs over into all other dealings in life (58% vs 73%), twice as likely to consider themselves spiritual but not religious (20% vs 9%), and twice as likely to cope with major problems in life without relying on God (61% vs 29%).
Posted by: Allan | July 25, 2014 at 11:05 AM
When did the "great" Rabbi's of this generation begin to fail to understand that while everything on this planet is done through Hashem's hand, it is us, as his creations, that carry out His will? Was it during the Holocaust when the Satmar Rebbe was saved by Kasztner and the Zionist movement but failed to acknowledge that, insisting that Hashem saved me and Zionists played no role? I don't know.
What I do know is that there is a principle of Ein Somchin Al Ha Neiss - we do not rely on miracles. As people we must not sit back and rely on the belief that a miracle will save us.
Would it be so terrible if Rav Steinman had said that Hashem is guiding our soldiers and scientists in their defense of Israel? I think not since it's true. Blind, ignorant statements that soldiers or the Iron Dome Defense System aren't saving us that it's Hashem are just that, blind and ignorant. I am not denying the Lord's role in protecting Israel by acknowledging the brave efforts of our soldiers - just the opposite, I am thanking Hashen for giving strength, courage and wisdom to this who protect us.
My suggestion to Rav Steinman, and all others like him is to go down to Gaza, with all of his yeshiva bochrim and all the Sifrei Torah they can carry and set up a Bais Medrash and start learning. While learning Torah is important and aids in prayers to Hashem to protect us, it won't be an Iron Dome to protect that Yeshiva from rockets, That protective Iron Dome was created by man, thanks to the wisdom and intelligence granted by God.
Posted by: Mee-Samcha? | July 25, 2014 at 12:41 PM
ThumbsUp! Mee.
Now when does the "body-frum," begin to relegate these demented rabbi/politicians to the dust heap?
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 25, 2014 at 12:52 PM
Hello, folks. Reading comprehension issues here?
I never said the greater percentage of MDs are Orthodox or practicing.
But the greater percentage of MDs ARE believers, not Atheists, whether practicing or not, or to what degree.
Please provide stats of the opposite, if you feel this is wrong.
(Off the topic but interesting, I know personally an unbelievable amount of ORTHODOX oncologists at Memorial Sloan).
Posted by: IRRELIGIOUS.CRIMINALS.OK? | July 25, 2014 at 02:11 PM
Just another thought on this subject
I am reminded of the old "joke" about the man of faith who lived in an area that weather forecaster had said was going to suffer dangerous flooding and suggested that everyone evacuate the area. The man of faith refused to leave saying "God will protect and save me"!
Emergency workers came through the neighborhood with bull horns urging everyone to leave because of the impending flood, but the Man of Faith refused to leave saying "god will protect and save me"!
Police officers went door to door telling all the residents they should evacuate because the flooding was going to treacherous. the Man of Faith refused to leave saying "God will protect and save me"!
The flood waters rose to the front doors of the houses in the community. Rescue workers in a row boat came to the Man of Faith's house and said "It's time to go". The Man of Faith said "I'm staying, God will protect and save me"!
As the flood waters rose higher and higher the Man of Faith went up on his roof and a helicopter flew over and drooped a rope ladder. The pilot called down "climb aboard or you will drown". "I don't need to leave, God will protect and save me"!
The Man of Faith was swallowed up by the flood waters and arrived before God in Heaven and wailed "I BELIEVED IN YOIU, WHY DIDN'T YOU SAVE ME"?
The good Lord responded - I sent rescuers with bullhorns, policemen to knock on your door, a rowboat and a helicopter to carry you to safety, why didn't you listen"?
The Rav Steinman's of the world today are the Man of Faith in the story; using tunnel vision to see the Hand-of-God only where they choose to. The reality is that it is the Hand-of-God that has given us scientists and engineers to develop the Iron Dome System - the rowboat and helicopter from the story. Choosing to ignore all that Hashem has gifted to us to defend ourselves and failing to be grateful to God and man for those gifts will only lead to us sitting on a rooftop in a flood refusing to leave treacherous flood waters because "God will save and protect us". News flash - He won't.
Posted by: Mee-Samcha? | July 25, 2014 at 02:15 PM
"Hello, folks. Reading comprehension issues here?"
LOL!
The topic was the ingratitude of the leading Orthodox Rabbis. They must be atheist, the Rabbis, because it is impossible to believe in god and to behave with such immorality.
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 25, 2014 at 02:17 PM
@IRRELIGIOUS
Thank you for providing the study. Did you actually read it? In the discussion it clearly says:
"Physicians are more likely to describe themselves as “spiritual” as distinct from religious, whereas for the general population, spirituality and religion appear to be more tightly connected.
Finally, our data suggest that patients and physicians are likely to differ in their reliance upon God as a means of coping and making decisions in the context of major illness. While most patients will “look to God for strength, support, and guidance,” most physicians will instead try to “make sense of the situation and decide what to do without relying on God.”
WOW - so it would seem that the doctors who bothered to respond grew up with a religious tradition and continue to identify -probably for emotional of social reasons- but NOT because of practical reasons. If someone came to this Rabbi (or likely you for that matter) and said what the study concludes the doctors say when faced with a situation ...this Rabbi would deem them a possible apikorus (although Jekyll would accuse them of being a miserable apikorus) and send them immediately for therapy with an unlicensed (very frum) 'therapist' to prevent them from becoming an actual apikorus..
So it may actually be your reading comprehension in question.
Posted by: noname | July 25, 2014 at 03:35 PM
@IRRELIGIOUS
and furthermore, you haven't answered HOW (if you are supposed to rely on miracles and SCIENCE doesn't exist) is it permissible to validate a doctor by going and abiding by his/her treatment plan knowing that the doctor (even if ORTHODOX) has studied evolution and various other apikorsut and most certainly believes something along the line of MeeSamcha's posts which directly contradict this Rabbi and most other Chareidi Rabbis?
Posted by: noname | July 25, 2014 at 03:40 PM
no name:
" most physicians will instead try to “make sense of the situation and decide what to do without relying on God.”"
For crying out loud, they went to medical school for that, but many doctirs remain believers, despite having gone through many years of education in non religious schools with irreligious educators.
it would seem...thats def as reliable as studies.... if.....
hy·poth·e·sis
hīˈpäTHəsis/Submit
noun
a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
Posted by: IRRELIGIOUS.CRIMINALS.OK? | July 25, 2014 at 03:57 PM
@IRRELIGIOUS:
So its OK to make decisions and not rely on Gd? Since when? Of course some went to medical school and studied all kinds of apikorsut and are still 'religious'.
I was pointing out that they are not religious by definition of the Chareidim who many of us are beginning to think need to start a new religion not claim ours as their own (but I digress) and you havent answered my other question.
Posted by: noname | July 25, 2014 at 04:06 PM
"... is it permissible to validate tother apikorsut ..."
Without a blink, YES! Hassidic guys drive on Sabbath to heal the sick. A LOUD yes!!!!
Es laasot laHashem heferu toratecha, and guarding ones health is a G-d given Mitzvah.
Posted by: IRRELIGIOUS.CRIMINALS.OK? | July 25, 2014 at 04:13 PM
OY! - really? Driving on Sabbath to heal is not the apikorsut we were discussing.
But now that we are on the topic of pikuch nefesh (driving only for this on Sabbtah of course) why do we thank thhe Chassid? Because as mee-samcha said better - (reerad THAT post) miracles are the knowledge and professionals that Hashem sends.
Do we THANK the Chassid who drives on Sabbath to heal (but as an EMT did not have to study evolution) of course - a LOUD yes!!! Do we thank the soldier who is risking his life to save yours? A LOUD NO!!! Dont you see how this makes no sense at all? If a chassid can heal on Sabbath because we don't rely on miracles but rather on the SCIENCE that Hashem has given us then how can we not THANK the scientists who designed and invented the armaments that protect us? ...
Posted by: noname | July 25, 2014 at 04:54 PM
And since you asked
I will answer: (clearly you are new here)
NO irreligious criminals are NOT ok but they don't claim to believe in Gd, live their lives for a higher purpose and to be holier than you. And they certainly dont walk down the street dressed to amplify those statements.
I will give you a mashal:
50 years ago hearing that a Catholic priest was a pedophile would have caused shock and disbelief "But he lives for Gd and he is holy and his religion does not allow it... and on and on..."
Nowadays the opposite, some people have begun to think that those predisposed to pedophilia actually go into the priesthood by design...noone is shocked anymore.
I hope I don't have to spell out the nimshal with regard to religious criminals because being less OK than irreligious ones. If I did then both your reading comprehension AND analytccal skills would be lacking and you wouldn't understand anyway.
And with that I'm signing off Have a Good Shabbos and please spend some time thinking about the damage that statements lie this Rabbi and others have made this week are causing to the faiths of so many people.
Posted by: noname | July 25, 2014 at 05:02 PM
@ Jancsi
"otherwise it is a pain and struggle"
As I said on many occasions, many people run from religion because they are simply lazy.
Posted by: Jekyll Jacobson | July 25, 2014 at 07:31 PM
Your asinine religion, based on an ancient novel written by MAN, on which CATHOLICISM, and equally stupid religion is based, and the source of pain and suffering for millions is LOSING, finally.
The intelligent world is not ANTI-SEMITIC, it's ANTI idiots who believe MOSHIACH will come and take them away like some idiotic child fantasy book. This entitlement allows you to act with utter disregard to everyone around you.
The ARROGANCE and IGNORANCE to think, that not only you understand WHAT made the universe, but HE GIVES TWO SH&*TS about what you mumble in the morning or eat, or whom you decide to sleep with and when is exactly the reason the whole world hates you guys.
So here's the deal, just chuck that YARMULKA on the floor, cut those PEYOS off, take a delicious salty bite of bacon - you know you want to - then take a deep breath and exhale two thousand years of absolute bull%$&t out and join the rest of the civilized world on the right side of history.
Much Appreciated,
The Civilized World
Posted by: Civiliza5ion2014 | July 27, 2014 at 12:42 PM