Kiryas Joel Satmar Rebbe Says Parents Of Murdered Israeli Boys “Caused" Their Deaths And Are “Guilty”

“…Who gave them permission for themselves and for their children to live and to learn Torah in the midst of the lion’s den?  To put their lives at risk, and the lives of their families at risk?  It is all because of the evil inclanation and the desire for Jews to inhabit the entire State of Israel.  It is Zionism for the mehadrin min hamehadrin [a play on kosher supervision, where “mehadrin min hamehadrin” is the absolutely strictest and therefore ‘best’ level of supervision available]. [I]t is incumbent upon us to say that these parents are guilty. They caused the deaths of their sons and they must repent for their actions.…”

Above: Kiryas Joel Satmar Rebbe Rabbi Aharon Teitelbaum

Kiryas Joel Satmar Rebbe Says Parents Of Murdered Israeli Boys “Caused" Their Deaths And Are “Guilty”
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

One day after burying their sons, the parents of three teenage boys kidnapped and murdered on the West bank by Arab terrorists found themselves under attack – from the vehemently anti-Zionist Kiryas Joel Satmar Rebbe Rabbi Aharon Teitelbaum.

Speaking in his yeshiva in Kiryas Joel, Teitelbaum blamed the boys’ parents for their deaths and called Arabs “predatory animals,” VIN News reported.

“I want to speak about an incident that happened in Eretz Yisroel where three Jewish lives were taken in an extremely brutal manner, Hashem yeracheim.  When something tragic happens in our holy land, every heart bleeds and God feels the pain of his nation and Jews everywhere feel tremendous sorrow over what happened here.…

“But with all the pain and devastation that is part of this terrible incident, we have to examine the circumstances from a wider perspective and with wisdom with eyes that are open to true daas Torah.

“During the funerals, the parents eulogized their sons, but I think it would have been preferable if they had repented, if they had said viduy [penitential prayers] with tears, in the order of prayers that is used on Yom Kippur, to repent for their decision to live and learn Torah in a place of barbaric murderers.

“Who gave them permission to live in a place like that, where they were living among known murderers?  Is there no place in Israel to live and to learn other than in a place of tremendous danger?

“Who gave them permission for themselves and for their children to live and to learn Torah in the midst of the lion’s den?  To put their lives at risk, and the lives of their families at risk?  It is all because of the evil inclanation and the desire for Jews to inhabit the entire State of Israel.  It is Zionism for the mehadrin min hamehadrin [a play on kosher supervision, where “mehadrin min hamehadrin” is the absolutely strictest and therefore ‘best’ level of supervision available].

“[I]t is incumbent upon us to say that these parents are guilty. They caused the deaths of their sons and they must repent for their actions.”

A recording of Teitelbaum's Yiddish-language speech is posted online at VINNews.

Teitelbaum went on to discuss the murder of an Arab teen early today in what may have been a revenge killing but could also have been and internal Arab incident.

“There is a suspicion that this murder was an act of vengeance and who knows if Jews all over the world are not in danger now from the Arabs. I hope that this youth was killed by another Arab but it is wise to be afraid. It is already 2,000 years that we are in exile and during that time millions of Jews have been killed. Jews have always been the ones who were killed, not the ones doing the killing,” Teitelbaum said.

He went on to say that people wrongly say Satmar is an enemy of Israel, but this is false.

“Zionists, who place the lives of the Jewish people at risk for the sake of Zionism. The enemies are those who take revenge and who awaken the ire of the murderers who will surely take revenge and the cycle of vengeance will continue. This is what Dovid Hamelech meant in Tehillim when he said ‘I hate falsehood and am disgusted by it,’” Teitelbaum insisted.

Teitelbaum concluded with a prayer that God should watch over the Jewish people wherever they are and should “break the yoke of the gentiles, the wicked and the evil Jewish Zionists.”

[Hat Tips: Seymour, The Lion.]

Comments

[Exgaon]

MAY the satmar subhumans, die a long and painful death, YSZ. Bimherah b'yameinu. fuxxkg animals the satmar. may they all perish from the earth, starting of course, with the two fxxkassed brothers uptown and downtown. maybe, well, forget it...

[miriam]

WTF!!! wow, is he insane?? does he realize these are 3 innocent boys we are talking about??

[jancsibacsi]

The know it all putz is talking without any 'seichel,just to put his 2 sense into it .

[Dave]

It's "2 cents" Jancsibacai

[yowashington]

Why not ask the equally preposterous question? “…Who gave them permission for themselves and for their children to live and to learn Torah in the midst of the lion’s den? To put their lives at risk, and the lives of their families at risk by living in Satmar Hungary?"

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

@Miriam ----> does he realize these are 3 innocent boys we are talking about??

Of course he does. But he is so caught up in the rapture of his faith that little details like 3 innocent boys....well, that really doesn't matter.

And he probably does not believe they were really "innocent" either. He probably believes that they were "tainted" or "marked" or something by their parents living in Israel.

Miriam, when religious fanaticism comes into play, facts don't matter. Everything- and I mean everything- is viewed through the prism of fanaticism.

I'm a lawyer, not a shrink or a sociologist, but I think that from a psychological and sociological point of view, these people are fascinating research subjects.

[Flatbusher]

My first reaction was that this was an "Elders of Satmar" type of forgery, but is seems that this was taped, picked up by reliable sources, hence most likely true especailly so that no denial was issued.

To say that this statement is insane is an understatement.

We put aside political disagreements when our common enemy who is out to destroy us ALL kills us. Even more so if they kill innocent children.

Where is the sechel behind such a statement at this time. How heartless can you be to say this when their bodies are still warm.

Don't think for a moment Aron P. (for putz) Teitelbaum, that chas vsholom if the Arab armies break through the gates of Jerusalem that Mea Shearim will be spared.

They will take out their curved knives and slaughter all. Don't think that your statements will spare you; the wild banshees will yell Allah hu Akbar! as they machete your wives and children, after some have had their way with them.

Can anyone out there who is an Aroni Satmar explain this shooting-yourself-in-the-foot & more, insanity?

[yidl613]

This idiot is just toeing the party line.
Just shows that his idiotic "Shitta" does not die from old age.
His Chossid Menachem Stark was not killed by Arabs in Israel. And so none of the Holocaust victims in Transylvania.
Get yourself a life!

[Office of the Chief Rabbi]

KJ is only 15 miles from Newburgh. He should say vidui for bringing people so close to that hell hole. 16 to Stewart, which is seeking to get a casino from a friend of Al Sharpton's. Of course, the Blooming Grove site is only 2 miles away. Talking about a culture clash!

[JACK]

This criminally insane ignorant savage also believes that the holocaust was caused because of the sin of Zionism,because jews wanted to go back to their homeland,God punished them by sending the Nazis to gas and burn six million jews including one and a half million children.
these jew hating bastards must be descendants
of Roumanian gypsies or from the Kahzars

[Lawrence M. Reisman]

Please allow me to quote Shmarya in a previous post about hitchhiking. It could just as easily be applied to sending boys to study at yeshivas in the West Bank:

As I've noted previously, settlers could better alleviate the risk of hitchhiking by setting up regular shuttle bus service between settlements and, by starting free loan funds to help poorer settlers buy cars, by ending hitchhiking entirely.

But as I also noted previously, settler leaders and rabbis will not do this because to them, hitchhiking is almost a theological necessity, a means of showing the world that we have settled the land and that the land is ours.

I'm sure none of them want hitchhiking teens to be kidnapped by terrorists, but if that happens occasionally, it's part of the price that needs to be paid to control the land.

Read Cherlow's piece. He almost says as much explicitly.

And by doing so he displays the same disregard for the individual that all cults and all fundamentalisms, religious or secular, must have. The 'community' or the cult or the ism is always more important than any of its members, save a few leaders. This was true with Soviet communism and its true with radical Islam all fundamentalisms, even Jewish ones – even ones led by otherwise moderate rabbis like Cherlow who are willing to risk children's lives to make their theological points.

Sounds a bit like the Satmar Rebbe, no?

[A. Nuran]

Is it too late for him to be buggered to death by syphilitic donkeys?

[ah-pee-chorus]

Piece of shit couldn't even wait until after shiva. That either satmar rebbe has ANY followers following things like this, sock heights on 3 year old girls and weberman is an indictment of religion and humanity.

It isn't racist, bigoted or prejudiced to call them (the followers) garbage since they've chosen to remain loyal despite their rebbes' obvious lack of any moral compass, brains or sensitivity.

[johnjill]

Exactly Reisman! Reading what the Rebbe says made me think, he must have read Shmarya during the past weeks! He is almost quoting Shmarya verbatim...

[johnjill]

"But as I also noted previously, settler leaders and rabbis will not do this because to them, hitchhiking is almost a theological necessity, a means of showing the world that we have settled the land and that the land is ours.

I'm sure none of them want hitchhiking teens to be kidnapped by terrorists, but if that happens occasionally, it's part of the price that needs to be paid to control the land.

Read Cherlow's piece. He almost says as much explicitly."

-From Shmarya last week. Pretty close to the Teitelbaum guy and just as correct!

[Wigmore]

Chasidic scum.

What a worthless SHPOS. May he drop dead and go to hell where he can play poker with Reb Yoylish.

[yehudis]

Shmarya said they shouldn't hitchhike before the boys were found. It's against the law to hitchhike in NY, but drive down Rte 306 and count how many men are hitchhiking. It is dangerous to hitchhike which is obviously why it's against the law. Don't try to make your Rabbi look good by saying Shmarya said it first. The Rabbi should take a lesson from the Pope who extended his condolences during this sad time.

[yonah FFB]

Whilst oxish clumsy for saying these things so soon, what IS the answer to his question, who gave them permission to go and live in the lions den when there are many other safe places in Israel they could live in ??
any answers ?

[RWisler]

He probably should have blamed the administration of the yeshiva where these boys were students for not arranging safe carpools to and from their homes. BTW Mr. Daas Toirooh Satmar: I believe that two of the three neshamas (not "nefeshes") lived inside of the so-called Green Line and did not live in the disputed territories.

[Reese]

You have all taken the bait laid out by this hater of Jews. No one should really pay attention to what he says.

[put a square into a hole]

WTF

These 3 innocent yeshiva students are guilty but weberman is the innocent one.
Go F**K YOURSELF AND SHOW SOME BROTHERLY LOVE TO YOUR BROTHER.

[johnjill]

First of all Yehudis, he is not my Rebbe. Second, he has been saying that Jews should not live in dangerous places since before Shmarya was even born! It part of the Satmar mantra except they basically apply it irrationally to the whole state. Third, he is right but I agree that now is not the best time to talk about it. Fourth, I take offense to you saying that anyone looks good by saying like Shmarya... Lol

[Josh]

It doesn't need daas torah to see it but the man has a point (much as I hate to say it coming from a nasty little racist that his words show him to be.)

It's the same point made by a number of my non jewish friends: what are kids doing in an occupied war zone?

And yes, the rebbe has the sensitivity and humanity of a hippopotamus in his timing but again, the time to talk about things like this is when people might listen.

[MosheCohen]

The timing is atrocious, and the insensitivity is appalling.

But is he entirely wrong?

What justification, indeed, is there for Jews to live in the midst of these savage Arabs?

Is it not possible that their presence there antagonises the local Arabs and can cause problems for other Jews?

Of course, the rest of his rhetoric about the parents needing to repent, is hateful rhetoric which I am not condoning.

I'm putting this out there for honest responses to a serious question....please don't just shoot me down with expletives

[Canadian Guy]

If we examine the sequence off thoughts, the Rebbe could be seen as seeking to quell any "righteous" anger that could lead to violence by our coreligionists in the area.

It is always interesting to see how experts in love and tolerance come down hard on someone who doesn't love others in their way. No need to hate the Rebbe because he isn't as perfect as you in loving others. True experts in love can judge others favorably and treat others with respect. If anything just imagine the Rebbe as a little baby in his mother's arm's.

[Barry 1]

What Chuzpah! He is a disgusting piece of dirt. Jews ch'v, get killed all over the world. He has to cause the parents and ALL of Klal Yisroel more anguish with his stupidity.

He goes and has rallies in New York attacking Israel. Maybe he's the cause of the incitement and the murder. Sick garbage.

Jews are being attacked everywhere. You would think a so-called rebbe would have something more profound to say, instead this idiot rubs salt in the wound. What a fool.

[Barry 1]

yonah FFB, There is an answer. Hashem gave us permission, otherwise we couldn't be here. Our stupidity was not forcing the Arabs out when we had the chance. It's our home, we should be able to live peacefully everywhere in Eretz Yisroel. The Torah prescribes the requirements for a non-Jew to live here.

The idiot lions den comment from this so-called rebbe is foolish. Look at our history. We've always lived in the "lions den." Atleast we are B"H able to fight back. This coward little man of a rebbe always sides with our enemies. Hashem will repay him.

[jancsibacsi]

Dave--Thanks for the correction you are right:))

[UK BOY]

your all bs
NO ONE OFF YOU WOULD SEND YOUR KIDS TO THAT YESHIVA........AND WILL FOR SURE NORT LET THEM HITCHHIKE ENYWERE ISRAEL......
you all know how dangers it is
vnshmortem meode lenofeshsychem........
I would call it child abuse letting your kid to dangers stuff everyone knows it but scared to say it out load

[Jeff wholden]

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!
!!!שעם דיר די שונא ישראל
LETS WAIT THEY SHOULD KILL YOUR SON AND ILL SAY YOU ARE GUILTY BECAUSE YOU FIGHT WITH YOUR BROTHER.....
MY MESSAGE TO YOU IS:SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!

[Jeff wholden]

STOP TO HATE YOURSELF!!!!!!
די מיאוסער שונא ישראל
?????א חילול השם איז ביי דיר גארנישט

[Barry 1]

UK Boy. Hitchhiking is a way of life in Israel. There are hundreds of boys in that Yeshiva. Before you make statements without knowledge, how about coming here and seeing for yourself.

While you await the muslims to come attack you in the UK and they will, we will be standing our ground, leaving YOU a place to run too to save your life.

[Lawrence M. Reisman]

Yehuda: Shmarya said that the settler movement was willing to risk its children's lives to make an ideological point. The Satmar Rebbe said the same thing. His timing was atrocious, his lack of sensitivity appalling, and his lack of common sense unfortunate in the extreme. You don't blame the parents for drinking the Gush Emunim coolaid so soon after they've been murdered. But the point is still a valid one.

[Baruch]

He is insensitive and rude. But is he that wrong? If they didn't live in a settlement, it wouldn't have happened. Those kids were too young to know right from wrong, but their parents weren't.

[UK BOY]

the torah says
VNESHMARTEM MEODE LEFASHSYCHEM!!!
the kids were not safe
and so are not lots of kids out there
but hashem should keep an eye on them
and keep them out of any trouble but they are still not safe
THATS THE POINT KEEP YOU AND YOUR KIDS SAFE!!!!
nothing about who is guilty or so bs on
YOU FUCKER and all of you know it was not safe.......

[chaim36]

This not the time for him to sound off during the period of shiva.Did he encourage his followers to say tehilim for the three kedoshim ? Did HE say tehilim for them ? Did he attempt to give chizuk to these suffering families ?Does he believe in "CALL YISROEL AREVIM ZEH LEZEH ?

[JessicaR]

“break the yoke of the gentiles, the wicked and the evil Jewish Zionists.”

What an interesting juxtaposition of human groups.

[jancsibacsi]

Baruch--"Those kids were too young to know right from wrong",Are you so mentally deranged as to write such absolute nonsense,theese were grownup kids not todlers you moron,you sound that you havent the foggiest notion of whats right or wrong you are a shoite chusid and a goylem.

[noname]

They were killed for standing at a busstop not for hitchhiking. Knowing what we now know, THERE IS NO CHANCE THEY GOT INTO THAT CAR WILLINGLY. They were victims because they were at a secluded busstop at night. Unfortunately, it could have happened anywhere.
@ yidl613 | at 09:35 PM noted, that is exactly what happened to Menachem Stark in Holy Brooklyn.

During Stark's shiva did he remind his flock not to work late nights alone in secluded offices?
During Weberman's trial did he take the trouble to remind parents not to send underage children to private therapists offices at any time of the day? Did he call on the schools to repent for sending children to therapists who take them alone on all day field trips?

[Phyllis Koenigsberg]

Can someone please tape up his mouth!!!

Phyllis Jerusalem

[adams]

he says it in a way that shows how happy he is that Zionist non Satmer boys were murdered. He is a disgrace and his remarks will bring more calamity to his own cult.

[Chassid On The Edge]

The timing is insensitive. The sin of the spies was that there was some "truth" mixed in with their hurtful report.

[RabbiEML]

Thus Satmar get the message with $$$, a boycott to their Kosher products, anything with Kiryias Joel stamp or product, Teitelbaums or Gruber should be banned and boycotted.

After R' Yoel ZTL passed away, satmar has no leaders, just some "capos"

[Ricki]

yowashington, I was thinking the exact same thing. While millions of jews were being murdered in Germany and Poland in the early 40s, how many rabbis in Hungary urged there chassidim to escape Europe by any means necessary? not many and definitely not Satmar.

[????]

For all those that think that acts of terror only occur in the so called occupied areas- please explain the bus bombings in Jerusalem, the stabbings in the old city, the sabaro pizza bombing and etc - these things occurred all over Israel -what is your reasoning with this? should the jews just pick up and leave the land in general because they are just asking for it by being there ? those boys and their parents are not guilty of anything other than wanting to live a life in Israel - which they are entitled to.
and the current missing man from Benyamina - what did he do ?

[(The other) Eli]

-A Satmar slumlord is killed=he's a saint who didn't deserve this, and the entire Jewish world mourns him
-3 innocent Israeli teens are killed=fuckers got what was coming to them.

Am I missing anything?

[Nechama Sarah]

Someone ought to tell him:

"Condition of the bodies:
It appears we can add regarding the merit the boys had for 18 days - words that Rav Yaakov Roza Shlit"a, the rabbi of the Zaka Organization, said in his role as rabbi of the Pathological Institute in the Institute for Law Health in Abu Kabir:

"For the first time in my life, I came across such an occurrence where bodies that were lying in the field in hot weather for 18 days and no worms were found on their bodies. I can attest that on the 3 Kedoshim, no maggots overtook them. Besides the gunshot wounds, there were no signs of abuse or injuries. According to the doctors at the Institute for Law Health, there is no scientific explanation for this phenomenon."

[ah-pee-chorus]

For those who can't figure out the difference between those who question the actions of Leiby Kletzky's parents, or the practice of hitchhiking versus what the evil satmar rebbe said, let me help.
In the first cases, those saying it have no agenda but the safety of jews and their children. They're not saying it to promote their agenda or pat themselves on the back witha big fat "I told you so!!"
OTOH this piece of garbage decided to turn the deaths of these 3 boys into a political/ religious point. He's using their corpses as a means to rally his flock and show them that this somehow proves he was right all along. It's known as playing to his base.
A fair analogy would NOT be to Leiby or hitchhiking warnings but to this:

If 3 satmar boys were murdered by terrorists in antwerp, imagine if a zionist rabbi DURING SHIVA made a speech saying that their parents are to blame for NOT moving to Israel where it's safer for jews. Or for not having guns on them.

It's his callous disregard for the grieving families, friends and all jews who are mourning the loss to make such a self-serving speech.

[Mefoar]

ah-pee-chorus-you are all the way right by saying DURING SHIVA wasn't the time for his speech.
Anyone thinking that living in the settlements are sane people is just as insane as those Misnachlim.The Misnachlim are a bunch of crazies and those who encourage them but don't live there have their hands full of Jewish blood.

[Chosid]

Satmar Rebbe is right! Many ex chasidim have reasons to just argue with the facts. They went to live in an area of danger and they knew it. He is not blaming the kids he in blaming the parents. As a Father I will never move to an area that is surrounded with Arabs looking to kill you. Zionism is a failure and here again we see its consequences, To all off the derech guys...you are not as smart as you seem to believe.

[Mark Thompson]

When suicide bombers were blowing up innocent people all over Israel including safe neighborhoods in Jerusalem,should all Jews including Satmar have moved to a safer place? And where is that place? It was the height of stupidity for the Satmar rebbe to say what he said publicly especially at this time when it's important for Jews all over the world to show solidarity.

[Chosid]

someone here said "If 3 satmar boys were murdered by terrorists in antwerp, imagine if a zionist rabbi DURING SHIVA made a speech saying that their parents are to blame for NOT moving to Israel where it's safer for jews. Or for not having guns on them."

It is not a smart comparison because ISRAEL is not safer than Belgium and we are talking about a sattlement that even Israelis consider dangerous.

[Chosid]

response to mark Thompson above: In a few days from now these kids will sadly be forgotten and replaced by other news. Satmar Rebbe is only interested in the truth and the well being of the Jewish people. now is the time to save other people from committing the same mistake of living among these barbarians.
Cut the fake emotional nonsense and think harder!

[ah-pee-chorus]

chosid-

The murder rate in the USA is 4.8 per 100,000 versus 1.8 in Israel. Which is safer?
If a satmar is murdered here will your idiot rebbe blame him for not moving to israel?

[Gush]

To all the commenters here:

Arab terrorists will kill Jews wherever they are.

They don't care for green line or not.

They will kill you while driving a tractor in Jerusalem, or while riding a bus.

If you are in the Gush hitchhiking or waiting for a bus. Driving a car, or on a bullet proof bus. They will throw rocks at you, or shoot rockets to Sderot.

They will get you in New York, England, or in Bombay.

[Chosid]

most murders in America are related to drugs and immorality. It is extremely rare that a person is murdered because of belonging to religion. every Jew in Israel is constantly in danger MUCH more that a Jew in the USA. it is the plain truth!

[ah-pee-chorus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

If Europe is safer why are they making aliyah in record numbers? Your sick leader is unable to see reality. Jews all over the world know that having an Israel makes them safer. Just today there was an article about Israel having
secretly smuggled a syrian-jewish family to safety. And meanwhile your rapist supporting rebbe oversees a community of fraudsters and has the nerve to claim he wants to protect jews. How many more neighborhoods will he and his followers desrtroy in america? How many more anti-semites does he create on a daily basis in willyb, KJ , monsey and now bloomingburg?

[Chosid]

do not go off topic! The topic is that you should not go to live in an area of danger. You seem to ignore the conditions by which people live in chevron. Suddenly you want to bring statistics that are irrelevant to the topic being discussed. The Greatest anti Semites I have known are Jews themselves. people like you that out of their limited view dares question and even insult the great people of our Generation. As A Rebbe he has a duty to protect Jewish people.

[Mefoar]

Antisemitism always was and will always be. We just need to be careful not to add fuel to the fire.
Seeing how Israel is bombing Gaza or anywhere else killing dozens of innocent kids fuels antisemitism big time.We might hear how many politicians in the USA or globally will say they agree with what Israel does but that is only for you to hear.
Deep down in their heart and in private conversation they talk differently about "those dam Israelis/Jews.We sure know what Nixon said and what Obama talked privately with France.Politicians are wetting in their pants when they hear the word "AIPAC".

The murder rate in the USA may be as high as anything.Fact is the Jews who live in the USA can walk freely in their neighborhood or any other safe area without looking back at their shoulder if a bus will explode at any given moment and for sure we don't have any intifada in the USA.

Every town/city and neighborhood in Israel is in danger every day that a murders Arab shouldn't blow themselves up.And lets not even talk about the settlements living IN the lions den,stupid crazy careless Misnachlim who have little regard for Jewish lives.

[Chosid]

They say Satmar bring antisemitism. Thousands of people that do not bother anyone they do not force anyone to live like them. a life dedicated to holiness and a sacred mission given to the Jewish people as a holy nation.
Some Jews have forgotten what Judaism is but they have not forgotten! They fight Zionism because they know they only bring more wars and insecurity. Redemption of the Jews will not be with the help of the Israeli army.

[Mefoar]

APC-Only a racist or a self hating Jew will say that by Jews moving into a neighborhood "it is being destroyed" which is also a lie.Real estate is high wherever frum Jews live and Satmars are known to keep clean neighborhoods.

And btw,being that you openly say that you don't believe in hashem and in Toras Moshe you have no claim for a Jewish state.At least the frum Zionist according to their logic they have a biblical right.But you what right did the Israelis have in 1948 killing thousands of Palestinians kicking them out of their houses and cities.

[Ali Saidy]

I fully agree with Rabbi Aron Teitelbaum.
My uncle was Jamil Baroody UN Ambassador from Saudia Arabia in 1967.
In June 1967 Israel launched an aggressive war against it Arab neighbors.
With the help of US Pilots the Zionists won the battle. As a result Israel occupied more Arab land. In the UN Security Council Jamil Baroody was quoting The Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum that the creation of The Zionist State is against the Torah Law and we have to make sure it ceases to exist. Most of the Arab states are moderate in nature but when it comes to The Holy Land we become adamant and we will resort to anything to liberate Jerusalem & Haram al Sharif The Temple Mount.
It will become exceedingly dangerous for Jews to live in Israel.
We propose that Jews go back to Brooklyn NY or to Hungary where they came from like the worthy Rabbi says. The creation of The Satanic State of Israel has caused more havoc than The Holocaust. We propose a smooth transfer of Jews to Europe, USA & North Africa under the UN auspices.
I give credit to Rabbi Aron Teitelbaum who speaks his mind.
I would like to reach out to him & work together on this project.
Insh Allah we will have a solution to this problem.

[noname]

@ Chosid
You must be new to this site and to the world of nes in general. You say:
"Satmar - thousands of people who do not bother anyone?"
Do you think the 'gay' guy in Brooklyn who was beaten by Satmar for walking down the street agrees with you?
Do you think the people who live in the buildings owned by Satmar landlords in Brooklyn where they havent had running water for months agree with you?
You do realize that your leaders censor not only your education but your news as well?

Wonder how you got permission to comment on this site but now that you are here why not use the search box and insert Satmar and find out about the land grab in Monroe which is bothering many people. That and lots more stuff....

[noname]

"news"

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

@MosheCohen-----> "I'm putting this out there for honest responses to a serious question....please don't just shoot me down with expletives"

Actually, I don't think I engage in too many expletives...nor in the
ad homimen attacks that are so prevalent on this board.

And I think you raise an excellent and very sound point.

I myself can't see the logic of living within a sea of haters
who would gladly kill me and my entire family. (I"m talking about
the West Bank; not about Israel proper).

And I have real doubts about the common sense of those Jews who
do live there, b/c by definition, they are living in "occupied
territory"- and it's full of people who (at the risk of understatement)
aren't very friendly.

Especially those Jews who live there with young children.

Just because we can do something, does not necessarily mean
we should.

[adams]

If we are talking about the Gush, it is Israel's heartland. People are idealistic about living there. But some areas are more dangerous than others. I have relatives in this area, and I have never seen any security issues. There are occasional and too many killings however. The people who live there, believe that they are doing G-d's will, that if they won't be in Chevron, it will be given back etc.

[MiggoWagga]

This is the same Satmar Rebbe who came out in favour of the big sexual predator in his community and against the victim. This is the same Satmar Rebbe who supports metzitza b'peh.

[Chosid]

There are lots of accusations against Jews in general. Somehow in a christian society day bay day people commit all kinds of crimes and terrible things. However no one accuses the Pope of a pastor for the actions of their coreligionist. Satmar is a very nice Jewish Kehilah that have thousands of people that day by day live wonderful serious Jewish lives. Sometime a bad apple falls in. It is important to point out that in America in very easy to accuse someone of a crime and make him socially guilty. The constitutional right of innocent until proven guilty is just a fancy word in society. Prosecutors and Judges have political agendas as well as child protective agencies. To that you add some stupid Jews that find it amusing to believe the accusation with no knowledge of the case whatsoever. That is why the Rebbe make sure that person being accused gets a fair trial assisting him with good lawyers etc. Some idiots have such a limited vision of the facts!

[Chosid]

For thousands of years metzitzah b peh was the medical procedure to stop the bleeding from circumcision. In our Jewish minds this was consider an unpleasant but necessary procedure that help the child recover. Now in a dirty minded society with the help of some assimilated Jews (nothing new)they come to judge us based on their immoral filthy brains loaded with pornography and nihilism. Simply saying that a society of low moral content pretend with their hypocrisy to judge a holy people that can not comprehend their problem with a historical and traditional religious and medical procedure. IDIOTS~

[Meni]

Many non religious ppl come up to me and bash religious Jews that they are close minded , disrespectful and hateful to everyone besides for themselves. Being that I am a religious chassiduck Jew this naturally hurts me allot when ppl say things like that. But the truth is the anti religious have their opinions stemming from this bastard - the satmer rebbe- he is the reason that so many hate religious Jews. God is probly looking down at the satmer rebbe sincerely angry to say the least , if not livid at what he said. May the parents find comfort and may there be only peace in the world once and for all

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i cant understand how a jew could talk or write such nasty things on another jew. and hes not just a jew hes a big rabbi with alot of followers ,thousands, and he knows and learns torah more than all of you together... a little respect.. even if you dont think the same as he..and you dont have to give such names on any jew..i think that he is 100% right maybe he said it too sharp and not the right words and too soon but he is definetly right.why do you have to davke live there when there are tons of other places.