Jerusalem Haredi Modesty Poster Equates Women Wearing Tight Skirts With Hamas Suicide Bombers

"…A story is told of one of the greatest students of the Hazon Ish, who said: I am more afraid of boarding a bus where an immodestly dressed woman is sitting, than of boarding a bus carrying a terrorist!!! Please! Do not be a terrorist!…"

Jewish Sisters

Clothing that is tight and short, or any other clothing which is forbidden by halakha, causes us [both] severe emotional and security-related harm.

A story is told of one of the greatest students of the Hazon Ish, who said: I am more afraid of boarding a bus where an immodestly dressed woman is sitting, than of boarding a bus carrying a terrorist!!!

Please!

Do not be a terrorist!

Do not endanger us!

[Hat Tip: D.O.]

Comments

[Anonymous]

Will the craziness ever stop?

[jancsibacsi]

Mentally deranged idiots who are able to write down their own insane thoughts should be commited into an insane asylem theese uber frummies are nothing but verbal terrorists.

[RWisler]

I'm glad it was a student of Karelitz rather than he himself (of course, Karelitz died in 1953). I always thought that he had a small modicum of intelligence. Obviously, he wasn't a talented enough teacher to pass any of it along to his asinine disciples.

[RWisler]

A cool website with brilliant insights from the so-called "Chazon Ish" Karelitz...

http://www.truetorahjews.org/chazonish

[yehuda fulda]

of course women who wear tight skirts r like terrorists...because they make me explode in my pants

[Sarek]

"...one of the greatest students..." I'd hate to meet the worst student.

What kind of mental health care is available in Israel? It's obviously pretty lousy.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Apologies to Queen (Killer Queen):

She keeps grape juice and Kedem
In a pretty cabinet
“Let them eat mezonos” [she says]
Just like that Goyishe kvetch
A built-in remedy
For the Hamas enemy
For Shabbos time an invitation
You can't decline

Cavalier ‘bout missile hits
Well cursed by Arafat
Extraordinarily frum

Chorus:
She's a Tzneeyus Queen
Gefilte fish, tchulent steamin’
Dynamite in the mikveh stream
Guaranteed to close your mind

Shabbos time

Mehadrin means a higher price
Chareidi narishkeit.
Wanna schrei?

To avoid complications
She kept a Meah Shearim address
In conversation
She spoke just like a frum Jewess
Hocked a man a tchinek
Ran from the Gaza lines, yes
Then again incidentally
She won’t do the dyin’

Aliya came naturally from Paris,
Not frum; she couldn't care less
Fanatical and not nice

(Chorus)

Sheitl and hat, she's as covered as
A burqa girl from an Arab lands
Then boner is out of action
Temporarily out of gas
To absolutely drive you mild, mild
She's out to convert you

Chorus

Mehadrin means a higher price
Chareidi narishkeit.
Wanna schrei?

“Gevalt” you schrei!

[Feminista]

So? If that is their preference, I would hate to stand in their way. They should all board a bus carrying terrorists. End of problem.

[Mordy from monsey]

Once again all the mockers coming out of the woodwork. This boils down to the age old question who was a bigger enemy to the Jewish nation, Haman or the yevonim( Greeks/Chanukah)?

The correct answer is the Yevonim because although Haman sought our physical destruction the Yevonim wanted to spiritually slaughter us.

It's very difficult for you Apikursim to understand such a statement because anything even remotely spiritual is met with nothing but disdain and ridicule.

Personally I'm not anywhere near that students spiritual level to make that statement but that doesn't mean I should or would mock it. Have a little respect my fellow posters. Just a little!!!

[Shvans arois]

Is this the same chazon ish who unlike the satmar rebbe thanked the israeli government for saving His life?

[Jeff]

"Once again all the mockers coming out of the woodwork."

And once again, you are incapable of understanding that something isn't true merely because your rebbaim tell you it is.

The Chanukah story is completely made up, Mordy. The real conflict was between the educated urban Jews and the rural fundamentalists who wanted to impose their beliefs upon everyone else - you know, like you guys.

[jancsibacsi]

jeff---"The real conflict was between the educated urban Jews and the rural fundamentalists who wanted to impose their beliefs upon everyone else - you know, like you guys"
Hahaha thats a good one , you know like you guys, hahaha i cant stop laughting.

[ah-pee-chorus]

Since that brilliant student prefers a bus with a terrorist to one with women in tight skirts, I want to make sure that whichever bus he's on, I'm on the other bus.

[David]

It is fair to say (as has been said before) that the Charedim are a far bigger threat to Israel than terrorists or even Arabs in general.

This is becsuse of the current economic damage they cause because of their refusal to work, thus making them welfare-dependent and because of future economic damage due to their failing to educate their children so they can't work either.

Of course, the problem with each successive generation becomes greater due to the huge number of children they have. Further damage is caused by their failure to do military service.

Yes, we all know how their Torah "learning" protects Israel but it's funny how they all left the Yeshivot and moved north when the missiles and bullets started flying. And how many of these Torah "students" know any Torah anyway?

If they knew and understood Torah they would know of their HALACHIC OBLIGATIONS to WORK, FIGHT and EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN. They wouldn't waste time telling us how little girls have to dress "modestly" or blanking out pictures of all females in printed material (thus implicitly saying they are sexually excited by such).

Furthermore, it is unprecedented in all of Jewish history that there was ever full-time Torah learning as a lifestyle. Yes, there was always a selected elite of outstanding Torah scholars who would do full-time Torah learning and were gladly supported by others but the average Jew was expected to work and educate his children to do so. Torah learning was done after fulfilling your other Torah obligations or working and teaching your children.

[ImmaculateInception]

"anything even remotely spiritual is met with nothing but disdain and ridicule."

Define spirit, and provide evidence of its existence.

[Allan]

@Mordy -“The correct answer is the Yevonim because although Haman sought our physical destruction the Yevonim wanted to spiritually slaughter us.”

No, the correct answer is that Haman never existed except in the pages of a fantasy book called the Megilat Esther. Don’t believe me? Then do a search a see if you can find a single historical source that mentions this guy or any of the mythical events in the Book of Esther.

As for the “wicked” yevanim – who can blame the enlightened Jews of the time for being enamored with Greek culture? I certainly am. They only gave us mathematics, geometry, democracy, philosophy, physics, incredible art and sculpture, the Olympics and the Parthenon. They gave the world drama and great literature and poetry and history. By defeating Persia they saved Western Civilization. They gave us the an atomic theory 2400 years ago. They proposed the heliocentric solar system 2,000 years before Copernicus. On top of that they make a Greek shish kabob and Greek salad.

Sorry, but the “sages” of the mishna and gemara don’t begin to compare to geniuses like Pythagoras and Archimedes. That’s why these Talmudic heroes are virtually unknown outside the yeshiva world.

[Mordy from monsey]

The Chanukah story is completely made up, Mordy..

Thats rich Jeff...Is anything sacred to you? Is everything in Judaism made up? The Torah,Mishna,Talmud? Did you ever actually study it to see the divine brilliance? And Im not even so learned myself..But like I said, Ive been on both sides of the tracks, and the sheer genious of it is remarkable...
There is a difference between what a rebbe tells me and what the Torah tells me...Rabbeim can make mistakes unfortunately...the Torah CAN NOT!! Not if you believe it is a divine book because g-d cant make mistakes...can't you see the simple difference? And finally, you cant differentiate between written and oral law..It is intertwined and both were given at Sinai..

So it just boils down to actually learning it instead of mocking it..The more you learn, the more you see the sheer brilliance and perhaps you wouldn't get so turned off everytime you see a rabbi doing something wrong..Seperate the chaff from the wheat!!!

[noname]

@David Thank you
@ Allan Thank you too. Interesting that all these fields of study survived the destruction of the Greek empire and are appreciated if not utilized by very religious Jews today. How ironic. Where would the Chareidi lifestyle be today without democracy? (in the secular world of course, not democracy in their own communities which remains ASSUR according to the Torah.)

[Mordy from monsey]

Allan-

I have to say I respect you..Although I disagree with you , at least you answer with purpose and respect..I want to address your issues you raise after Shabbat but I do appreciate the candor...

Sbabbat Shalom!!

[Milhouse]

Posted by: Mordy from monsey

Don't be ignorant. Of course God can make mistakes.

God does not learn from his mistakes, if he flooded the earth and wanted to start over. He should have fixed something in us human beings. We still doing the same shit that got him mad at us in the first place.

[Joe Field]

Jancsibacsi
Jeff @ 4:11 AM is one hundred percent correct. The Maccabees were nothing more than a group of zealots who murdered the Hellenist Jews. I never understood why the State of Israel decided to celebrate theses Jewish killers. The only justification I could think of, that because the State came into existence right after the holocaust, they needed some heroes who fought against a foreign power.

[Joe Field]

Mordy;

I have been there, and I do understand your predicament. In your heart you know and have doubts and I venture to say that you probably have a decent understanding of what the accomplishments of the ancient Greeks.

Here are just a few of the notables, Hippocrates, Euripides, Sophocles, Euclid, Socrates, Plato, Homer’s work like Iliad and the Odyssey. Now the foundation of the Talmud process was laid out by Rav Ashi and Ravina. How many people do even know who started the Talmud? Not even too many Yeshiva students. Nevertheless, every person in the world who has a minimal education would know one or more, of the aforementioned Greek scholars what they contributed to our current knowledge.

[Jeff]

"Rabbeim can make mistakes unfortunately...the Torah CAN NOT!!"

Yeah.. the Chanukah story isn't in the
Torah. It's barely in the Mishnah.

[Jeff]

"They proposed the heliocentric solar system 2,000 years before Copernicus."

Yes, but Allan, as we know, that's pure kefira.

I sometimes tell my friend the MO rabbi that I'd have made a better Greek than a Jew. He doesn't like it when I say that; I think he convinces himself I'm not serious or that I don't really understand the implications.

[Jeff]

Joe, jansci wasn't laughing at me; he was just amused by what I said. He actually agrees with me.

The funny thing is that Chanukah is probably the only Jewish holiday about which I feel sentimental - but I have to do some heavy lying to myself to rationalize it!

[Jeff]

By the way, Mordy, regarding the infallibility of the Torah:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scientific_errors_in_the_Bible

[David]

This is all part of laying the groundwork preparing frumma for wearing the burkha.

[Jekyll Jacobson]

Mordy
The heretics you are arguing with, never got to see the light: they either never studied Torah at all or dumped it at an early age because it was just too much for them. Some may even have a decent college education and/or have spent time studying ancient Greek philosophy, History and perhaps even some more difficult materuial like science and mathematics etc. since they do crave knowledge. But Torah is not on their list since it is divine and as such mandates certain behavior and practices that simply doesn't sit right with their נפש הבהמי. They prefer a life free of spiritual burdens. The moral and ethical standards they do accept and practice (while big brother is watching...) is not out of their own free will either... They are in fact simpletons who believe their intellect surpasses the codifiers of the Talmud, the briliant Tosafists, The legendary rishonim whom we know for certain that some also studied science etc. and were revered even by their secular counterparts. These losers fail to see that true deep thinkers and honest intellectuals realized that the so called discrepancies in the Torah (vs science etc.) are no grounds for disproving it. These poor individuals are attempting incessantly to make all of us look like a bunch of fools. They are determined to make the Jewish nation a secular one - ככל הגוים בית ישראל so they can feel good with their way of life and have no guilt. THAT'S what it's all about. They ridicule us for our lifestyle because in awakes in them feelings they don't like to deal with...

Let's hope this week brings us only good news. מי שאמר לעולמו די יאמר לצרותינו די די די.

Shavua Tov

[Jekyll Jacobson]

Oops: material; it.

[Joe Field]

Jekyll Jacobson,

“they (sic)either never studied Torah at all or dumped it at an early age because it was just too much for them.
As usual you are wrong. I am willing to debate with you any subject of the Shulchan Aruch and the first book of Yoreh De'ah, all the way from chapter one to thirty one.

That said there is absolutely no difference between a second year law student and a Yeshiva bochur. Additionally, there are thousands of legal beagles who would measure up to any of the Jewish Rabbis. A Rabbi is nothing more than a lawyer who would give you a legal memorandum, with his legal opinion. In the old days Rabbis would put in writing his legal ruling. Now days the Jewish public takes direction from old senile Rabbis who never put their ruling down onto paper. Probably they don’t have any more the wherewithal to write a coherent ruling.
Finally, science is not pilpul which is really an art of debate; science is facts observations and conclusions.

[Jeff]

Jacobson, your "insights" into the minds of believers would be amusing if they weren't so pitiful. It is amazing that someone can be that clueless, yet manage to get through life.

Shmarya does us all a disservice by allowing you to post your gerbil droppings here.

[Jeff]

And here's a question you won't be able to answer honestly - why is that your "insights" into the motivations of the non-frum are absolute emes, but when I assert that the reason you keep coming back here is that you suspect we may be right about your world and your belief system and that terrifies you, I don't know what I'm talking about? What is it that makes me an ignorant apikorsus, and you a world class psychologist?

[Milhouse]

Posted by: Jekyll Jacobson

Israel is a secular state wise one.

[Jekyll Jacobson]

Jeff
"What is it that makes me an ignorant apikorsus, and you a world class psychologist?"
The fact that you continue to debate with me... :-)
Oh, and BTW the word in this context is Apikores (or Epikuros); not Apikorsus.

[Jekyll Jacobson]

Joe field
"I am willing to debate with you any subject of the Shulchan Aruch and the first book of Yoreh De'ah, all the way from chapter one to thirty one."

As I said: "dumped it at an early age because it was too much for them"

Why did you stop at Siman 31? Kinda strange, I'd say...

[Jeff]

As I predicted - like all frum denialists, you refuse to give a straight or honest answer.

[Account Deleted]

The requirement to believe that the entire messora is true is not relevant to the critical reason honest and good people need to seriously consider if it is justifiable to belong to the Haredi world.

The flyer about which this thread debates would not be written and distributed by any good human being. The sentiment of the flyer is simply evil in its promotion of hate for other human beings.

Feel free to lead by example and engage in your brand of modesty, but to assert that you would chose dismemberment, and/or death rather than occupy the space of another child of creation who feels it to be OK to wear a shorter skirt than you do, is simply repulsive.

Whoever defends this flyer needs to reflect upon if they have even begun to approach the concept of brotherly love and respect for life.

YL great song parody!

[Yochanan Lavie]

Thanks, Pard.

[Anti-kike]

Good Morning Jeff. As a side note, wasn't the Sanhedrin/Pharisees (ancestors of today's Orthodox) housed in or near the Temple in Jerusalem? If so, that would make THEM urbanites, no? I AM NOT TRYING TO BE SARCASTIC JEFF. I. Really am not 100% sure.

[Jeff]

The Pharisees came later, during the period of Roman occupation - and it was their opponents, the Sadducees, who were based in Jerusalem. The Pharisees, not tied exclusively to Temple worship, were just as likely to be found in outlying areas. That's the reason the Sadducees disappeared after Jerusalem was sacked in 70 CE and the Temple was destroyed, and all we really know of them we get from biased sources such as the rabbis and (I think) Josephus.

The Chanukah story, which Mordy brought up, took place centuries earlier, under the Seleucids, who were Greco-Macedonians. The conflict then was between Hellenized Jews, based largely in the cities, who had embraced Greek culture (sometimes but not always giving up their religious beliefs) and the fundamentalists, led by the Maccabees, who subjugated the Hellenized Jews, imposed their more stringent beliefs upon them, radicalized circumcision (making it far more difficult to reverse, as some Jews had been doing) and founded what became the Hasmonean dynasty.

I'm not saying there was no conflict with the Seleucids, but it wasn't the main part of what was going on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanukah#Modern_scholarship
What Jews are traditionally taught about that period comes largely from the 1st and 2nd books of Maccabees, which are apocryphal.

The Greeks then became, in rabbinic thought, a collective archetype of assimilation, as Amalek and Pharoah became archetypes of evil.

[Jeff]

None of which, of course, has anything to do with the length of women's skirts - but, frum logic.

[Jekyll Jacobson]

Jancsi
Your words are proof that you know very little about science and how it constantly evolves. Theories thought to be clandestine are sometimes disproven and new theories emerge. Do a little reading. If you're too lazy, do some Googling.

[Jeff]

>> Posted by: Jekyll Jacobson | July 20, 2014 at 10:10 AM

You meant this for the other thread. What you are saying was jansci's meaning, and it actually invalidates your statements and Mordy's.

You're arguing against yourself, but you're too deluded to see it.

[Jekyll Jacobson]

Jeff
Here's an honest answer. I don't have any "doubts"; I have unanswered questions. Fools, בעלי תאוה (intense lust), angry souls and outright liars are the only ones to claim G-d a myth. Which one are you?
Coming here gives me the courage to go on exploring G-dliness in everything. Seeing how miserable people get and how they need help from a poor blogger to support their way of life (it's really pathetic) is quite entertaining as well as reinforces my faith. It also gives ברוך אלקינו שבראנו לכבודו והבדילנו מן התועים... a new perspective. THAT is my honest answer to you.

[Joe Field]

Jekyll Jacobson

“Why did you stop at Siman 31” first of all I wrote chapter not siman and I meant the Shulchan Aruch

Regarding the Yoreh De'ah all the following Halakha’s הלכות שחיטה - Kosher Slaughter, הלכות בשר בחלב - Meat and Milk, הלכות תערובות – Mixtures, I am willing to debate with you.

[Joe Field]

Jekyll Jacobson

That said I still don’t see you take me up on the challenge. Is it because you are simpleton who never learned and you were all your life in awe of the so called rabbis.

[Jeff]

Which, of course, does not speak to my accusation.

"Fools, בעלי תאוה (intense lust), angry souls and outright liars are the only ones to claim G-d a myth.""

Once again - YOUR opinion (as mediated to you by your holy rebbaim), NOT absolute truth, as desperately as you'd like it to be.

Shmarya is right; you are dishonest and stupid beyond words.

[Anti-kike]

Thank you Jeff for your informative response to my question.

[Account Deleted]

This linked to post provides an excellent example of why the leading Rabbis need to be questioned, thoroughly, and often. Sad indeed.

http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2014/07/19/israeli-beit-dins-problem-isnt-naivete-its-narcissism/

[Jeff]

"Thank you Jeff for your informative response to my question."

No problem.