Zionist Orthodox Grade School Bans Fathers From Attending Daughters' 2nd Grade Graduation

The state-funded Zionist Orthodox Ramabam grade school in Kiryat Gat sent out invitations to its girls 2nd grade graduation to parents, but the invitations ban fathers and older male siblings from attending, despite a state policy forbidding this stype of gender exclusion.

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Zionist Orthodox Grade School Bans Fathers From Attending Daughter’s Graduation
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com
 
The state-funded Zionist Orthodox Ramabam grade school in Kiryat Gat sent out invitations to its girls 2nd grade graduation to parents, but the invitations ban fathers and older male siblings from attending, Ma’ariv reported late last week.

The gender segregated graduation will be held despite a government policy forbidding it.

"My husband really was offended," a mother of one of the students told Ma’ariv. “It’s like they suspect him of pedophilia, as if he were sitting in the audience and girls aged 7-12 will appear and [the school thinks] he won’t be able to control himself,” she said.

The woman added that her daughter was disappointed by the gender exclusion but wasn’t surprised by it because this wasn’t the first time the school had excluded one gender from events.

"On Memorial Day, for example, girls were not allowed to attend at all…,” the mother said.

She also noted that the school gave the girls no explanation for banning their fathers.

“If they are big enough to tempt their fathers, then they are mature enough to understand the reasons,” she said.

She also noted that Rambam’s gender exclusion is not alone among Zionist Orthodox schools

"Unfortunately it is not unusual.…I talked to other moms who have daughters in schools in different cities, and it really has become a phenomenon. Our society has a covert competition: Who is getting worse,” the mother added.

Two years ago, Chairman of the State Zionist Orthodox Educational Council Rabbi Avraham “Avi” Geiser spoke out harshly against gender exclusion in state-funded Zionist Orthodox schools at a conference of educational leaders in Jerusalem, reportedly insisting that all family members, regardless of gender, are welcome at graduations and similar ceremonies like bar and bat mitzvah parties.

"I stand here and say what was decided by the Board of the State Council…[these] are family events… [and] therefore we do not distinguish between fathers and mothers and sons and daughters at a school's events," Geiser reportedly said then.

But only a week after Geiser made that speech, he was at the Noam HaRoeh school’s Garden Party Bat Mitzvah fathers where the girls’ fathers were not allowed to enter.

When that incident was made public, the Ministry of Education was forced to explain the gap between its supposed policy and the actual – and very different – reality on the ground.

The ministry claimed its policy forbidding gender exclusion was firm, but it said that would take time for “the new guidelines to soak into the surface."

More than two years have passed since that claim and, if anything, the situation has only gotten worse.

In response to the gender exclusion at the Rambam school, the Education Ministry told Ma’ariv last week that the main graduation ceremony for all Rambam students held at the end of the school year will include both genders, and only events where girls dance or sing exclude men.

The Rambam school in Kiryat Gat reportedly declined to comment.

Comments

[Jeff]

Yet they continue to send their kids to these schools. What the neighbors think of them is higher on the list of priorities.

[AztecQueen2000]

So, let's see if I understand this logic. Men can't watch seven-year-old girls graduate because they have so little self-control that they will think impure thoughts. However, men are the only ones allowed to be in charge because we ladies are too emotional and feeble-minded. Could someone explain this to me very slowly? It doesn't make sense. Why let men make all he decisions if they're ruled by their southern head to that extent?

[Yosef ben Matitya]

They graduate in P2? What do they specialise in?

[Jeff]

"Could someone explain this to me very slowly? It doesn't make sense. Why let men make all he decisions if they're ruled by their southern head to that extent?"

It's Hashem's will. You don't question Hashem's will. You'd understand that, if you were a man.

[Maskil]

But they're still allowing men to watch young boys sing and dance?

[Reese]

I'm waiting for these morons to order 2 separate households for each family. One for the father and sons, the other for the members of the opposite gender! Of course a cottage industry will develop offering Mitzvah Night rooms under the proper Rabbinical Hechsher.

[Michael-Meir]

Anti-family!

[Maskil]

Yet they continue to send their kids to these schools. What the neighbors think of them is higher on the list of priorities.

Posted by: Jeff | June 22, 2014 at 03:10 PM

I personally feel like they've forfeited any moral ground to complain (legally they still have a right) once they've sacrificed their children's best interests on the alter of molech in exchange for the approval of their neighbors, you know, really, fuck them and fuck their personal sacrifices that they'll have to make. I really cannot find any room to pity their goddamn personal consequences of their own decisions at this point.

[Jeff]

Maskil, I have to agree. I'm pretty much out of compassion.

[Michael-Meir]

So the fanatical obsession with extreme gender separation is more important than allowing a father to experience genuine nachas from his daughter?

Schools are willing to break laws that are supposed to promote healthy parental involvement. How anti-family is that?

This is a completely public event; it's not as if a father is going to have improper contact or be alone with someone else's little girl. The exclusion of fathers is a solution in search of a problem.

[Jeff]

They're all obsessed with proving they're frummer-than-thou.

[S M L]

No sense discussing this. They're sick and absurd. Just about nothing they do makes sense under the rulebook that people other than members of other cults use. Hopeless.

[exgaon]

Next chumra is preventing fathers from seeing their newborn baby girls, who will immediately be outfitted with a burkha, the kind with a veil. yeah, and as someone said, separate households just to make certain. maybe separate villages, like leper colonies.

[sceptic]

This just makes me feel very sad for the young girls.

[exgaon]

It seems to me that the more one forces fathers to distance themselves from their daughters, their even very young daughters, the less connected they will be to them emotionally. And the likelihood of triggering off pedophilia(c) thoughts or actions, in a man prone to that disease might actually increase, through lack of being allowed to feel that the female child is a family member-- Thereby perhaps increasing the likelihood of the very behavior that the rabbis are trying to avoid. anyway, the rebbeim want the 12 year old for themselves, they dont want the fathers forcing incest on their daughters, the rabbis want the possiblity of maybe becoming their psychologist in a bedroom with three locks on the door. even 103 YEARS LIKE Weberman might not be a sufficient deterrent to some of these pervert rabbis. It is, after all, a compulsive disorder.

[Feminista]

Exgaon, you are actually correct. The less emotionally connected the father feels to the daughters, the more likely it is that there will be incest. I discussed this with a Korean colleague who said that with his traditional clients, there seemed to be a higher risk of incest because girls were not considered to be members of their birth families, but rather, members of the family that they were marrying into.

I once read an article about how some Neanderthal settlements were separated into male and female settlements. The writer posited that this may have be responsible, in part, for the fact that they died off. If the Haredim start living in segregated villages, they will only be imitating the Neanderthals!

[EGAR]

I understand the point about "allowing a father to experience genuine nachas"....here's the other side of that coin. When a father goes to his son's graduation from school or whatever, but doesn't go to the daughter's ... imagine the message that sends to the daughter. SHE DOESN"T MATTER!!! Her achievements other than learning to cook and make babies is probably thought of as nareshkeit.

[gevezener chusid]

my kids went to Haredi (chassidish) schools and I was always very saddened by the fact that I could not participate in my daughters' simchas.

As for the boys, the kindergarten "graduation" was attended only by the mothers, not the fathers. The "chumash seudah" (celebrating when the boys started learning Torah)was in shul - so both parents could go, just not together. I don't remember there being any other simchos for the boys at all.

It has gotten worse with the younger generation. It is very sad.

[Audrey T Benjamin]

"It's Hashem's will. You don't question Hashem's will. You'd understand that, if you were a man."
Hashem sounds like a real shit-fer-brains.

[Sarek]

So then, the father-daughter dance is cancelled?

[sifter]

If I was forbidden from attending my daughter's graduation I'd pull my daughter out of that school this/fast. I always thought extremism only existed on the far secular Left, where 'anything goes' and complete non-observance was tolerated and encouraged. Now I see equally devastating consequences on the other side where 'nothing goes without rabbinic hechsher' and hyper religiosity today is tomorow's Refom movement.

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

@gevezener chusid-----> "my kids went to Haredi (chassidish) schools and I was always very saddened by the fact that I could not participate in my daughters' simchas...."

Umm.....was someone holding a gun to your head to make you send your kids to those schools?

I doubt it.

That being the case, Mr. Chusid, you brought your sadness on yourself. No sympathy from this lawyer, or anyone else on this blog.

The same goes for all the poverty that infests so many hasidic communities in the US. Seven or Eight children, the father has no education outside of the Yeshiva, and the mother does not work outside the home.
(And they wonder why they are poor)

So many of your co-religionists are poor because of their own life choices. And while it's heartbreaking to me to see my brothers and sisters living in poverty, I have very little sympathy for people who inflict poverty on themselves.

And/or in your case, sadness.

Life is a series of choices, guy. You made your choice. Accept your sadness and live with it. And praise Hashem for allowing you to be sad.

[A. Nuran]

It's not just the Haredim. Zionist Orthodox Rabbis' dicks get stiff at the thought of pre-pubescent girls

[Maskil]

I was forbidden from attending my wedding after finding out that females might be in attendance.

[exgaon]

Audrey T. Benjamin june 23, 12:29.
At first emotional glance, i so agreed with you Hashem has shit for brains. But we as humans can anthropomorphise all we want, we haven't a clue what he/she wants. if she exists.
It is the fn Rabbis, and in most cases, i maintain the fn, even though some of my best friends,,,,,, seriously true, agav, little men, little organs. little brains, trying to gain power any way that they can devise.
what a sad sad state of affairs... really, for a caring Jew, caring, despite affiliation, caring that the Jewish people continue, this is the point that one could, cry forever.
unless one's kid has been kidnapped. sheesh, then you have a head start......this fn god of the jews, if he exists, enjoys parcelling out pain. better to come back in another gilgul, meot pa'amim to perfect purify parts of the 613 compartments of the soul. sound like hogwash, heck yes, but who the f knows the emes. not I and not anyone here, and for sure not the former Rebbe....

[exgaon]

A. Nuran, lol have you been videosurveillancing their microphalluses?