Dozens Of Haredim Desecrate Holocaust Memorial Day In Jerusalem; More Do So Elsewhere Around The Country

“Remembrance Day is your event, not ours. If you keep Shabbat then we will mark your events."

 

Dozens Of Haredim Desecrate Holocaust Memorial Day In Jerusalem; More Do So Elsewhere Around The Country
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Much of the haredi community does not recognize Israel’s official Holocaust Remembrance Day, which this year began last night at sunset and ends at sunset today.

Another year has passed and, just like what has taken place over the past several years, the Times of Israel reports that some haredim in Israel found ways to publicly disrespect Holocaust Memorial Day which is supposed to be marked with solemn memorial events and ceremonies.

Under Israeli law, restaurants and public recreation sites are closed the night of Holocaust Memorial Day.

But in Jerusalem, dozens of haredim were seen staging public barbecues last night in Gan Sacher park, violating a law against holding public celebrations and feasts on Holocaust Memorial Day.

“Remembrance Day is your event, not ours. If you keep Shabbat then we will mark your events,” a haredi man reportedly told Walla! News. Another haredi celebrant reportedly tried to justify his barbecue by claiming that secular people often have barbecues on Shabbat, and for haredim, this is a desecration of Shabbat.

In the northern city of Beit She’an, 100 haredi yeshiva students held a festive barbecue near a memorial for fallen IDF soldiers and victims of the Holocaust.

Police found two busloads of 14-17 year-old students from the haredi Or Baroch Yeshiva and their teachers celebrating after completing a hike in the Jordan Park area.

Police detained two of the teachers and dispersed everyone else.

Sources in the yeshiva reportedly told the haredi news website Kikar HaShabbat that barbecue was not a good idea – not because it is wrong to desecrate Holocaust Memorial Day in country with the most Holocaust survivors in the world, but because the media lays in wait to pounce on haredim who do so.

“The [yeshiva’s] administration should have considered a million times over before doing a hike like this; it is a disgrace. Don’t they know that the media are waiting for them everywhere?”

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Comments

[jancsibacsi]

The enemy within is doing its best to create hatred and anarchy.

[Alter Kocker]

These are not Jews, and they definitely are not Israeli citizens. Therefore it behooves the government to start legislating to either bring them in as full citizens, or ask them to leave. Full citizenship means, army service, work, not welfare, and no desecration of public holidays. Police should have taken fire extinguishers to their banquets.

[Sarek]

Fine. If you hold barbecues in public on this day, then it is ok for others to light fires in public on Shabbat. You are not allowed to bully them or fight with them.

Fair?

[Jeff]

There can be no clearer indicator. They have separated themselves from the rest of the Jewish people. Treat them accordingly.

[S M L]

Just like the wicked child referenced in the Haggadah who speaks of "you" rather than "us" when asking his question - except in the case of these idiots there's no sense trying to explain anything. This more than anything else indicates to me that they cannot be considered to be Jews. They're totally alien. There is not a smidgeon of common ground or commonality of thinking shared between them and other people let alone between them and non-Haredi Jews.

[Moe Ginsburg]

Is Israel a democracy or a theocracy? If a democracy, then it cannot impose adherence to a behavior it seeks on its holidays. Free men are free to ignore celebrating, respecting or adhering to a State holiday.

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

@Moe ---> Free men are free to ignore celebrating, respecting or adhering to a State holiday.

Moe, as a lawyer and a citizen, I agree with you. But there's something called R-E-S-P-E-C-T. If I'm visiting a Moslem home- and I do have Moslem friends- I'm not going to bring a pork sandwich. If I'm visiting a Mormon home, I'm not bringing over a beer or coffee.

And frankly, given the enormity of the Holocaust, Haredi behavior is beyond disrepectful. It's abhorrent. It's also bizarre, given the fact that if the Nazi's were alive today, they would be killing as many Haredi as they could get their hands on. Part and parcel of Nazi ideology was to literally make the Jews a non-existent race that lived on only in museums.

But as Jeff has observed previously, the Haredi are completely disconnected from objective reality- meaning, at least in my mind, that they cannot objectively look at history, either.

@SML, @Jeff, @Alter Kocker, and @Jancsi -----> Well-stated and directly on point.

[jimmy]

"These are not Jews, and they definitely are not Israeli citizens. "

Scott,
You warned me that you ban and delete my posts, yet you allow Alter Kocker to spew this???

[Mefoar]

""Sources in the yeshiva reportedly told the haredi news website Kikar HaShabbat that barbecue was not a good idea – not because it is wrong to desecrate Holocaust Memorial Day in country with the most Holocaust survivors in the world, but because the media lays in wait to pounce on haredim who do so.""

I would take it a step further that it is a Chilul Hashem for observant Jews to do things which makes them look bad.
However,observant Jews commemorate the Holocaust each and every day by davening,putting on tefilin,observing shabbos keeping family purity,eating kosher etc etc.this is the biggest remembrance that can be done to those who perished.

A persons Jewishness is not based on Holocaust Remembrance Day,eating gefilta fish,matzoh balls etc.Stuff like these are made for traditional Jews who desecrate shabbos,eating treif,don't keep family purity all in all live a life as non-Jews and have nothing with Judaism besides silly stuff.
Israel’s official Holocaust Remembrance Day is made for one simple reason to hide the fact that the official Zionist leaders of that time held back funds to rescue hundreds of thousands of Jews.And they have the cutzpah to disrespect those who perished as if they are so concerned for those who were killed.

[Jeff]

"These are not Jews, and they definitely are not Israeli citizens. "

Scott,
You warned me that you ban and delete my posts, yet you allow Alter Kocker to spew this???

Posted by: jimmy | April 28, 2014 at 11:22 AM
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Are you kidding me? Are you really that dense? Alter Kocker's statement is one of fact. Through acts like this, they willfully separate themselves from the rest of the Jewish people.

This really needs to be explained to you?

[jancsibacsi]

jimmy--ALTER SPEAKS THE TRUTH,WHICH I KNOW YOU CANNOT BEAR,BUT YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP.

[zingvort]

mefoar,
Again I ask you--- What's the name of the Williambsburgh train that stops on Marcy Ave. and Broadway? And is there a seat available for one more person?

[jancsibacsi]

Mefoar----You love to play g-d i see, dont bug into other peoples buissness about keeping shabbas or davening everyday, leave that to god,you guys meaning the ultras love to dictate to other people how they should live their lifes while ignoring the evils that is in youre midst like molestation of children a and abuse etc,dont lecture anyone how to live their lifes first clean up youre own house about saving europes jews the zionists were no more to blame then those who were killed they were not a worl;d power even usa a world power combined with other power were not able to save many jews so keep you stupid idiotic oppinion to youreself you are a tru idiot to bring in here the zionist saving jews putz that you are brain damaged.

[zingvort]

I humbly suggest that the Zionist government proclaim a Tefillin Day . On that day all chareidim will stop wearing Tefillin. Same for tzitzit, and who even talks about Shabbos? Imagine that.
The yichus of these "rabbis" should be checked since they barbecue and huulyeh on such a day , regardless of who proposed it. No other ethnic group would stoop so low.What avile thing to do by a vile and demented lot.

[zingvort]

janci...
This mefoar is a hynotized shuckling robot. He is, like his teachers, a paranoid and obsessed guy who sees and fears Zionism 24/7. There is no other thing in Yiddishkeit to learn. You know what they give to a bar Mitzvah boy in UTA? J. Teitelbaum's Al Hageula Val Hatmurah. No other sefer means anything to thses psychotic creatures.

[NeverFrum]

It's only a holiday for them if a man with a dirty beard claims it to be.

[zingvort]

janci..

Ő egy büdös idióta

[Mefoar]

The Attorney makes an excellent point by saying "But there's something called R-E-S-P-E-C-T. If I'm visiting a Moslem home- and I do have Moslem friends- I'm not going to bring a pork sandwich. If I'm visiting a Mormon home, I'm not bringing over a beer or coffee."

That was what i said similar. Eretz Yisroel /Israel is the home of the Jews it is called the "Palterin Shel Melech” (palace of the king); and in this holy place secular Jews do everything opposite of the torah eat trief and shabbos desecration etc etc.
Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law ask yourself where is the respect of these secular Israelis to behave like this in the kingdoms palace?

This comment i bet would anger more the frum zionist then the secular.

[zingvort]

mefoar...

In that case , wait for Moshiach. Read N"ach to see what I'm talking about. See for yourself waht horrible things they did. You could've been the majority in the Medinah and made your own rules. You didn't want it then , you dodn't want it now, and you won't accept it even when Moshicah comes. Why should you? You have it great here. So what if 6 million were murdered and G-D created a miracle in Zion? You are a KOFAR, not MEFOAR.

In the meantime I need to catch a train .What'll it cost me?

[jancsibacsi]

zingvort--Az bisztos,for sure:)

[sifter]

It is time to selectively withhold all city services from this fringe element, no garbage pickup, no police protection, nothing. TO 'celebrate' on Holocaust Day is no lest repugnant than the Nazis having a barbecue to celebrate their work.

[Barry]

From 1942 to the German occupation in 1944, Jews continued to be subjected to forced labor but were not handed over to the Germans. The Hungarian government, in fact refused the German demand that the Jews wear the yellow star of David badge and be deported to Poland. In May 1943, Prime Minister Miklos Kallay rejected the resettlement of the Jews as a Final Solution as long as the Germans refused to satisfactorily respond to their ultimate destination.

The German occupation of Hungary in March 1944 led to the deposal of Kallay and the end of whatever protection Hungary’s Jews had from being deported. Under German occupation Jews were forced to wear the yellow badge, and with Eichmann’s urging, the Hungarians issued decrees that further isolated Hungarian Jewry. Jews were limited in their ability to travel, their telephones and radios were confiscated and they became ever increasingly targets for the violence of the Arrow Cross gangs.. Next came the expropriations of Jewish property, as the Jews found their bank accounts, jewellery and other valuables subject to confiscation. Jewish enterprises and financial establishments were subjected to wholesale confiscation by the Hungarian government

Jews were concentrated in ghettos of the 28 April 1944. The objective was to intern Hungary’s 427,000 Jews and then deport them to the death camps. Eichmann established a Judenrat for the purpose of carry out German decrees. By the end of July, over 437,000 Jews had been deported to Auschwitz.

Fearing retribution from the Allies in the war Germany appeared to be losing, Horthy halted the deportations, but his order was a case of “too little to late”. Most of Hungary’s Jews except those in Budapest had already been exterminated. Eichmann was taken aback by Horthy’s action but continued to round up Jews for deportation. Between August and October 1944, the situation of Jews improved as Horthy was determined to remove his country from the war and halt the deportation of Jews. But aided by Germans, a coup against the government took place on 15 October 1944, which was led to Ferenc Szalasi, the leader of the Arrow Cross who became prime minister and resumed deportations.

Historical Dictionary of the Holocaust
By Jack R. Fische

Today is the seventieth anniversary of the setting up of Hungary's ghettos. It is also the anniversary of the hushed up Operation Tiger disaster which cost the lives of 946 American servicemen. No wonder the Hareidim are celebrating.

[zingvort]

sifter---
And no toilet water to flush. Let'em go to Jordan on the other sides and dig themselves latrines.

[jancsibacsi]

zingvort--From an early childhood in europe iwas raised hassidish and as a child i realized instinctively that it is absurd,my rebbi teache was teaching me tzar bal chayim dont inflict pain on an animal or living thing,but he my rebbi was beating us mercilessly i thought am i not a living thing or am i lower then an animel i came to the conclussion that theese megalomaniac ultras are insane out of their minds,they are living a lie everything they learn is mostly a lie that is why they have to steal in order to keep up with the standard of living ,in a way i was much more religious then any hassid and this was in a communist country.

[zingvort]

janci-- Unfortunately, it's also the Litvish/Yeshivish leaders who are megomaniacal control freaks.Our religion has shifted to the extreme right and we must grab it back. Our young children and grandchildren are being indoctrinated with jihadist shiyurim, jihadist weeklies and magazines and are being watched over by the jihadist thought police. We cannot allow this to happen. They are robbing Jews of joy in life, in Torah and in Hashem.
This has never happened before. I don't understand it completely , but sadly, for many people this dictatorial despotism has appeal, and the rest are either too busy making a living or simply afraid to challenge this new monstrosity. I can't figure it out.

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

@Mefoar ----> Ty for your compliment that I make an excellent point. I see what you mean about Jewish people living in Israel and not properly (by your standards) observing the Sabbath or respecting the dietary laws.

And I think you are free to think of them as whatever or whomever you want. But bear in mind that there is something called tolerance.

I myself am not going to condemn them for how they practice their faith, nor do I condemn the haredi for how they practice their faith.

It is simply the haredi lifestyle- the rejection of secular education, the refusal to accord women full rights as citizens or (at times) even human beings, the refusal to engage (or even live) the larger society in which they live (esp. in the United States) and in general, the complete rejection of modern life- that I condemn.

And I'm not going to get into the age-old question of "Who is a Jew?", or "What makes a person Jewish?"

Again, I don't condemn what the haredi's believe. But as Jeff and so many other's have pointed out, what they practice does not seem to be Judaism at all, but rather Judaism with a focus on cult-like behaviors and beliefs...and they live in a world that is profoundly disconnected from objective reality.

[Jeff]

"Israel’s official Holocaust Remembrance Day is made for one simple reason to hide the fact that the official Zionist leaders of that time held back funds to rescue hundreds of thousands of Jews."

Scott, you threaten all the time to ban these morons for lying, but you never actually seem to get around to doing it. This is no longer a site on which people with any modicum of sense care to congregate. I know of at least one (possibly two) people you've lost already, yet you don't seem to care. You refuse to enforce your own rules. I don't understand it.

[ah-pee-chorus]

Mefoar-

Your comparison of respect for yom hashoah with that of shabbos is ridiculous.
There's no evidence that there is a god, that he ever wrote a book, that the book commands keeping shabbos, or what the torah means when it says to keep shabbos. If one didn't believe its what god commanded, there's no reason to keep it. The frum have one view of the true facts and the non-frum another. There's no reason for the 80% of Israelis who have a different view as to what shabbos means to have to refrain from celebrating their day off just because 20% see things differently.
OTOH nobody rational denies that there was a holocaust in which millions of jews were killed. Even charedim. So on a day dedicated to the memory of REAL people and noting the agony of REAL survivors, it takes a disgusting and thoughtless person to use that day as davka a day to CELEBRATE. In other words it takes a real charedi attitude.
Another point of distinction is that those who go to the beach on shabbos do so EVERY day they're off from work. They don't purposely pick shabbos in order to antagonize the frum. Since saturday is the main weekend day there and happens every week, they would be giving up their weekend every single week if they refrained from chillul shabbos. OTOH yom hashoah is ONE day a year. It wouldn't be too big a sacrifice to the memories of the fallen to refrain from public barbeques on that one day.
But many charedim are vile pigs like their leaders. And many are vile piggish defenders of their actions, like you.

[Barry]

Mefoar - the haredi lifestyle- the rejection of secular education, the refusal to accord women full rights as citizens or (at times) even human beings, the refusal to engage the larger society in which they live (esp. in the United States), the tax and welfare fraud and corruption and religious fanaticism in general, the complete rejection of modern life- is highly disrespectful to American and European Christian and democratic secular culture.

How can you call for the secular majority in Israel to respect your minority culture, when you refuse to respect the majority culture outside Israel?

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

@Barry -----> Devastating, and very valid points. Have you considered law school? LOL! But seriously...devastating, and completely on-point.

Especially the point about the democratic/secular culture.

This is AMERICA. Everyone here is welcome to participate. But don't simply vote and pay taxes. That's the minimum.

Get involved in your town and community- and not just your religious community. Run for your local school board. Know who the leaders and decision-makers are in your town, your city, your county. Educate yourself on the issues facing your town, city, and county, and then do something about them.

There are no special qualifications for running for your school board or your local town council. (If your town has one).

It's your country, too. Participate.

[don't hock]

Mefoar. Sppeaking about who held back jews from escaping the nazi regime. Do some home work and u will find some shayne rebbish and litvish rabbanim held back their talmidim and chassidim. Its not a secret mefoar. But since its so embarresing i cant blame u for not wanting to hear it.

[Moshe Pippik]

If were saying that we don't believe in G-d or in the Torah, then what is to say that Jews exist, or that we are actually Jews, or that the land belongs to us. The only reason Yom Hashoa exists (or was instituted) in Israel. is that Israel is a Jewish land. Your denying the existence of G-d and hence the Jewish nation. Do you keep a remembrance day for every mass genocide in history? For every mass killing in history regardless of who it happened to? Something just doesn't add up in your mathematics.

[jancsibacsi]

Moshe Pippik--You;re analagy is flawed the holocaust happened and no divine power if it exists stoped it so what do you say to that,if as the way you understand god is valid then how could such a thing happen, dont bring me up excuses like it happened because we were bad the zionists are ta fault it is infantile to see it that way god is a fabrication of mans imagination and we fear other humans not some divine power it all has to do with mind and fear control thats all.

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

@Jancsi -----> Well stated, as usual.

[Moshe Pippik]

Jancsi, my analogy may have been flawed if I brought an analogy, being that I did not bring an analogy -it most definetely aint flawed (might I suggest you look up the definittion of the word analogy). Nor am I getting into the discussion of how the holocaust happened -that is an entirely different conversation. Now to be clearer for all the people that speak only an infantile english and can't understand but the most simple of equations; If you deny G-d's existance, than we are not Jews, in-fact Jews just don't exist, we're people like any other people, not defined by religion. Based on that you should be a memorial day for every geneocide in history... and Yom Hasoah is no more important to you than any other, being that it didn't happen to your people/nation/jews (since we don't exist). Now don't try and tell me that it happened to your ancestors - while that would be a valid and even good reason, that doesn't apply to all of us, some of us didn't have ancestors in the Holocaust and hence would you require them to observe Yom Hasoah?

[Allan]

@Moshe Pippik. Again with the “if you don’t believe in God and His Torah then you’re not Jewish” argument? Frum people should know that this is not the halacha which they claim to follow. By this absurd definition some of the greatest Jews in history such as Einstein would not be Jewish because they cannot believe in a mythical deity who did nothing during the Holocaust and who is completely unnecessary to explain anything in nature.

In fact we ARE a “people like other people” – we are not “chosen” and to the extent that frum Jews continue this elitist talk, they are only encouraging the anti-Semites. Our claim to Israel as our homeland is due to abundant historical and archaeological evidence of our presence there since ancient times. We do not need any phony “God gave us this land argument” which assumes that the listener a) believes in God and b) believes he wrote a book which names one desert tribe as his favorite people. On the other hand, the evidence of history and archaeology is undeniable.

Why this implies that Jews should commemorate every genocide equally is beyond me. Of course we recognize that there have been other genocides and even the Holocaust dead are only a small part of the total casualties in World War II. Nevertheless it’s normal for every culture to specifically mourn their own tragedies. Nobody faults the Armenians from focusing on their own genocide. It’s only natural. And nobody would tell an Armenian that he has no business commemorating this tragic even in his people’s history just because he happens to be an atheist and the Armenians are mainly a Christian people.

[Rocky]

Barry @ 12:20 Check your numbers. They don't look accurate. Prior to the Nazi occupation in 1944, Hungary had about 725,000 Jews including 300,000 in territories it had annexed from Czechoslovakia, Roumania and Yugoslavia. An estimated 600,000 were killed in 1944, mostly via deportations to Auschwitz. About 125,000 survived the war and some 20,000 fled the country in 1956 at the time of the Hungarian Revolution. (source: Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, 1959).

[ah-pee-chorus]

+++ If you deny G-d's existance, than we are not Jews,++++

Nonsense. As descendants of the people who called themselves "jews" and came from judea, we are jews no matter what we believe.

+++ Based on that you should be a memorial day for every geneocide in history... and Yom Hasoah is no more important to you than any other, being that it didn't happen to your people+++

Are you this clueless? It's natural to care more about the murder of ones parents/grandparents/friends than about people from across the globe. There's even an obvious evolutionary basis for this.

Are you a sports fan? A Yankee fan would be more upset by the death of his team in a tragedy than he would about a japanese team even though none of his relatives ever played for them. Use your head.

[Michael-Meir]

"... it’s normal for every culture to specifically mourn their own tragedies. Nobody faults the Armenians from focusing on their own genocide. It’s only natural."

True, of course. But we can also strive to rise above what is "only natural." I'm thinking of the joint memorials held by Jews and Armenians in Boston (neighboring Watertown has a large Armenian community).

[Michael-Meir]

In post-Sanhedrin times observing Shabbat is a choice that every Jew is free to make. Some observe, some don't. But ALL of Europe's Jews -- religious as well as irreligious, and even those who were not even halachicly Jewish -- stood to be eradicated by the Final Solution. Hitler broadened the definition of Jewish identity (and Israel's founders wisely adopted it in formulating the Law of Return). This should have instilled in the Jewish (and half-Jewish, quarter-Jewish) People an abiding sense of solidarity. So Yom HaShoah is the wrong time to make glib remarks about Israelis who reject the Sabbath. Our fates were all intertwined.

[jancsibacsi]

Michael-Meir---"Our fates were all intertwined."
You put it very eloquently,and that is what matters at the end.

[Allan]

@Michael-Meir
Absolutely. A joint commemoration between Jews and Armenians - or other groups - is a great idea with both peoples learning each other's cultures and histories.

Of course, openess (indeed eagerness) to learning about non-Jewish cultures is characeristic of only Reform/Conserative or unaffiliated Jews. Haredim, however, have strict rules about not fraternizing with gentiles and will not participate in any interfaith events.

[Chicago sam]

Send them all to Gaza.

[Barry]

Rocky - Jack R Fishe in his historical dictionary of the Holocaust which I quoted from states there were 437,000 Jews in its pre-war borders, another 250,000 in territories annexed from Czechoslovakia as well as more than 100,000 Polish Jewish refugees.

Moshe Pipik - You make as much sense as someone who says that the only way to honor the 3000 victims of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, would be for its residents to continue to live in unreinforced masonry buildings and San Francisco's commemoration of that disaster is hypocritical because it's building codes prohibit such structures! Mefoar would agree but would warn against earthquake-causing masturbation by Zionists in Tel Aviv.