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March 12, 2014

Haredi Draft Bill Passes Knesset After Opposition Boycotts Votes

Haredi man walking past soldiers at Kotel 2With the entire opposition boycotting – officially due to its claim that this and two other key bills were being rammed through their final two Knesset votes without adequate debate, but in reality also due to its desire to court the support of haredi parties for a future coalition government – the Knesset passed the universal draft law 65-1 today.

Haredi man walking past soldiers at Kotel 2

Haredi Draft Bill Passes Knesset After Opposition Boycotts Votes
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

With the entire opposition boycotting – officially due to its claim that this and two other key bills were being rammed through their final two Knesset votes without adequate debate, but in reality also due to its desire to court the support of haredi parties for a future coalition government – the Knesset passed the universal draft law 65-1 today, the Times of Israel reported.

The law – with many exceptions – potentially drafts some haredi yeshiva students into the military.

The lone “no” vote came from MK Yoni Chetboun of the Zionist Orthodox HaBayit HaYehudi Party who objects to any coercive draft of haredim.

“I oppose the Draft Law. It is ill-conceived, and comes at the peak of a wave of anti-religious legislation that seeks to dilute the Jewish character of the State of Israel,” Chetboun reportedly said in a statement.

The bill has a built-in three-year transitional period. During that time, the haredi draft quota will rise each year until it reaches 5,200 in 2017.

But no criminal penalties or sanctions for draft dodging or quota failure go into effect until mid-2017 at the earliest.

The bill also allows haredi yeshivas to count ex-haredim, haredim who are not yeshiva students, shabbabnikim (haredi yeshiva dropouts and expellees who raom the streets in packs), ba’al teshuvas and Chabad hasidim as “haredim” for the purpose of the draft. This should mean the bulk of the haredi quota each year will be filled by non-haredim.

The bill also contains a provision that allows the defense minister to essentially overlook haredi failures to meet their draft quota, which many observers believe will essentially mean no haredi yeshiva student will ever be coercively drafted.

Non-haredim are routinely jailed for draft dodging.

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New chareidi Purim slogan: "Draft beer, not freeloaders like us."

Resistance was futile after all bravo.

But what happens should a real shooting war erupts? Will the Haredim cower in their Yeshivas? Will their Ravs tell them to fight or to hide?

These are discussions for a future date. They should consider the consequences if and when they are called. Forgetting where you live can have dire consequences.

If the opposition hadn't boycotted, would they have been able to defeat it? If so, it seems incredibly stupid.

Immediately after passage of this bad legislation, a suit has been filed with the Israel Supreme Court.

this is a bad law and is nothing more than a wash over of the former Tal Law

Jeff,

The bill would have passed anyway.

"in reality also due to its desire to court the support of haredi parties for a future coalition government"

Wrong. Maybe Labor happens to have this interest, but this has nothing to do with why the other non-Haredi parties voted against this bill, which as you ought to know was pushed through by the government as part of a package deal along with 2 other bills considered by Labor, Meretz,etc as being anti-democratic.

SimonF –

Does idiocy run in your family? Do you even know who the opposition is?

Past that, you wrote:

"which as you ought to know was pushed through by the government as part of a package deal along with 2 other bills considered by Labor, Meretz,etc as being anti-democratic."

However, in my post I clearly wrote that "With the entire opposition boycotting – officially due to its claim that this and two other key bills were being rammed through their final two Knesset votes without adequate debate, but in reality also due to its desire to court the support of haredi parties for a future coalition government – the Knesset passed the universal draft law 65-1 today, the Times of Israel reported."

In other words, you deceitful moron, you TRUNCATED the quote to make it appear I said one thing, when in reality I said another.

Cretin.

I clearly included the word "also." So you are the deceitful one. Apparently you also have some issues with anger and verbal abuse.

For your information, the "opposition" in Israel includes all the parties not in government (unlike other countries where only the largest non-government party is the official opposition).

Since you used the word "it" to refer to "the entire opposition," your claim that Hadash, Ra'am-ta'al, Balad, and even Meretz are boycotting all these votes (or even this one) because they hope to court the support of Haredi parties for a future coalition is patently ridiculous. Either that or you've got the wrong end of the stick about what constitutes the opposition.

And if you reply, can you please attempt to do so in a non-abusive manner.

" I said one thing, when in reality I said another."

Ah.....so you ADMIT it!

"I clearly...am (implied)....also ..... a deceitful moron..."

Hey - I LIKE arguing like this. But I wonder how it fits with ברייתא דרבי ישמאל?

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Clipping from context in order to form an attack (make that read "rebuttal") is the CLASSIC tactic of Internet trolls. Shmarya qualified what was clearly stated as opinion with the reasons supplied by those who boycotted the vote.

SimonF –

1. You truncated what I wrote to mislead readers.

2. Your grasp of what the opposition is preparing for is, to say the least, weak.

3. The Arab and communist parties will likely unify due to the new law passed regarding threshold for Knesset seats. And if you look into it, you'll see that to form a coalition, Labor will likely need to reach some sort of agreement with them and something different with haredim.

What I quoted was completely in accordance with you claim, namely that the entire opposition was ALSO opposing this bill in order to court the Haredi parties for a future coalition. How you and Rebitzman imagine that to be a misleading quote is completely baffling. What part of your claim is missing from that quote?

My grasp of Israeli politics is clearly a lot stronger than yours. The Arab parties have NEVER been included in an Israeli government, and a party that unifies the Arab and ArabJewish communist party together with the Islamist party is even less likely to ever be part of a government, or to be a faction on which a Zionist party could depend and retain credibility to lead a government with a majority of the Jewish public.

SimonF –

You are dishonest and you are also a fool.

Process, little man. The 25th and 26th Governments of Israel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-sixth_government_of_Israel

>>>…Peres kept the same coalition as previously, namely the Labor Party, Meretz and Yiud, which together held only 58 of the 120 seats in the Knesset. However, they government was also supported, but not joined, by Hadash and the Arab Democratic Party, which held an additional five seats between them.[1]…<<<

Idiocy, it seems, does run in your family.

Just like spoiled children, they picked up their toys and went home!

And if you reply, can you please attempt to do so in a non-abusive manner.

Posted by: SimonF | March 12, 2014 at 11:42 AM

May I say old man, and this is a mere suggestion, as it were, would you be so kind as to go fuck yourself? Thank you ever so kindly.

Who said what, about laws and sausages?!

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