As Fire Smolders, Orthodox Jews Reportedly Refuse To Call Fire Department Because Of Sabbath Restrictions

Firefighters in the Village of Pomona in Ramapo and Havestraw, New York responded to an automatic alarm at a home this morning after its Orthodox Jewish occupants reportedly refused to call in the fire due to Shabbat (Sabbath) restrictions.

 

As Fire Smolders, “Orthodox Jews” Reportedly Refuse To Call Fire Department Because Of Sabbath Restrictions
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Firefighters in the Village of Pomona in Ramapo and Havestraw, New York responded to an automatic alarm at a home at 16 Tara Drive this morning after its Orthodox Jewish occupants reportedly refused to call in the fire due to Shabbat (Sabbath) restrictions.

The mattress fire was not reported by phone “because the home’s Orthodox Jewish occupants were observing the Sabbath,” the Journal News reported.

The fire at 16 Tara Drive reportedly started in a second-floor bedroom, when a man used a pillow to dim a lamp for a child. The pillow began smoldering, and the fire apparently spread to a mattress, which also smoldered. When the smoke increased, the man took the mattress down the stairs and out of the house. But the mattress caught fire along the way as it gained fresh oxygen,”  the public information officer for the Hillcrest Fire Department, Chris Kear, told the paper.

“The situation could have been a lot worse,” Kear added.

[Hat Tip: Ruthie.]

Comments

[Reese]

Inbreeding at work.

[Jeff]

>>“The situation could have been a lot worse,” Kear added.

That's right; in the confusion, someone might have mixed up milchig and fleischig dishes.

[bendinai]

Years ago a Monsey BT couple had a fire Friday night, and tried to put it out using and indirect method. When that didn't work, the husband walked to shul (fire still ongoing) and asked the Rav what he should do. The Rav looked at him incredulously and said "am I a fireman?" and instructed the whacko to call the fire department. In the meantime, there were neighbors in an upstairs apartment with kids! The end result was, a small table fire that could have been easily extinguished, destroyed a 2 family home, and all the personal property of the upstairs neighbor.

[dh]

Jeff @ 7:26, which is why they really decided to let the structure burn!

[Office of the Chief Rabbi]

I wish these guys had as much wisdom as they attribute each morning to the rooster. But no; a cock is smarter than they are.

[yehudis]

When I read this in the newspaper I had to read it more than once. I just couldn't believe it. Is the Sabbath more important than the safety and well being of his family? If his wife went into labor during the Sabbath what would this man do?

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

"But the mattress caught fire along the way as it gained fresh oxygen [...]"

F***king combustion, how does it work?

[ah-pee-chorus]

+++ Is the Sabbath more important than the safety and well being of his family?+++

Posted by: yehudis

Absolutely. When the most kind, omni-benevolent , loving creator decides to unleash a fire to destroy property and possibly kill people, it's a good thing and who are they to intervene?

+++ If his wife went into labor during the Sabbath what would this man do?+++

He would demand she hold it in lest she lose her place in olam haba. If that didn't work he would hold her legs together until the stars came out. Stars are very important.

[David]

This further proves that their 24/7 Toyreh "learning" amounts to nothing since they are unable to understand that preservation of life is one of the most important mitzvot.

I hope their insurance company both refuses to pay for this and makes a note not to pay for any future fires when they refuse to call the F.D..

Furthermore, the incident was caused by frumma stupidity in the first place - using a pillow to dim a lamp. WTF???!!! (I have seen frumma do it myself with nearly the same consequence.)

[ah-pee-chorus]

+++ using a pillow to dim a lamp. WTF???!!! +++ Posted by: David

that was only because he had run out of paper soaked with gasoline.

[S M L]

I guess we have a Darwin Award finalist here.

[D]

The article neglects to clarify that as soon as smoke was detected, the man immediately took action removing the pillow and mattress from the home to prevent a fire. Once the mattress was outside, it was extinguished by the fire department which had responded due to the automatic alarm. There was no further reason to call 911.

[Steven W]

I sure hope the eruv was intact when he carried the mattress outside.

He better check his mezuzahs.

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

@SML----> A friend of mine who does criminal defense tells me from time to time "...thank the lord for stupid people, because without them, I would not have a job."

@D----> You know, I'm not a brain surgeon, I'm a lawyer, but even I know that when something starts to smolder- which is just a precursor to a fire- and when something actually does catch fire, which is what generates smoke- even I would know to call the Fire Department. Carrying it outside can be too hazardous- what if it is burning and brushes against something that's flammable?

But your community is so caught up in the rapture of worship- and in the observance of rules that were written centuries ago, for a world that no longer exists- that stories like this are in fact true.

There is nothing "holy" or "blessed" about a refusal to apply common-sense solutions to problems...especially events that can be life-threatening. Fire is one of those.

[typadder]

i smell something sickly...and it isn'the smoke.

if you put out the smolder, and it doesn'turn into a blazing inferno, how are you gonna collecthe insurance money that will enable you to learn toireh or become ah groiseh ba'al tzedukeh?

once i had a candy store...

[typadder]

hmmm rjb aal...

perhapsome free legal info. if a claim goes through insurance, and the insurance company can prove thathe 'victims' didn't do their part to preventhe fire, do they have to pay out?

[Jeff]

>>I guess we have a Darwin Award finalist here.

>>Posted by: S M L | February 22, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Seriously. Where is natural selection when you need it?

[rebitzman - $101 to read my posts]

While most here would have called 911 as well, I would suggest the many (if not most) of us here would have dragged as smouldering mattress out of the house as well. I would further suggest that if we were certain 911 had been called........we might just skip this step.

Using a pillow to dim a light? I concede - no one here would try that one.

My first thought was that he had risked the lives of other families - but a quick look at Google maps shows this not to be the case.

[Jeff]

Is there such a thing as a fire extinguisher with a heckscher?

[bendinai]

@ D....let's see, you are right and the trained fire department (anti semitic Torah destroyers) is wrong? Tatty should have waited until 72 minutes after the shkiya on Saturday night and then called Chaveirim

[Office of the Chief Rabbi]

@Jeff Yes, hekhshered fire extinguishers are available from oneborneveryminute.com

[jancsibacsi]

jeff---"That's right; in the confusion, someone might have mixed up milchig and fleischig dishes"
Hahahaha love youre comment,or maybee has vehilie he put the fire out by accident then he would of been hayev mise could of gotten the death penalty,oy nebeh this inbreeding created farshlepe kernks.

[jancsibacsi]

Meant to write farshlepte krenks.

[Jeff]

;-)

[Sarek]

The article doesn't say if the occupants stayed put or left the house.

Isn't evacuating the house considered working on Shabbat?

[Flatbush Gal]

"Isn't evacuating the house considered working on Shabbat?
Posted by: Sarek | February 23, 2014 at 11:01"

And what about hauling a heavy mattress down the stairs and out of the house? Isn't that work as well? I would think dialing 911 on the phone is less work...

[Jeff]

"And what about hauling a heavy mattress down the stairs and out of the house? Isn't that work as well?"

Rabbinic Judaism is sort of like the Bizarro world in DC comics. Everything is the opposite of what you think it should be - up is down, black is white, etc.

[FlatEarth]

The Journal News usually reports the name and address of fires. Not in this case.
Keep tip toeing LoHud.

[Ynot]

Somebody obviously called the fire department. He tried to carry the mattress outside. It is just a mattress. I would not have bothered the fire department either, they have better things to worry about than a mattress. Pomona is a nice neighborhood, if it was a serious fire the neighbors would call. I don't think a mattress was worth the call. Could drive by the address tomorrow, and visit a relative.

[rebitzman - $101 to read my posts]

"And what about hauling a heavy mattress down the stairs and out of the house? Isn't that work as well?"

He's in his house. No issues there. Bigger issue is that he kindled a fire on Shabbat. That is strictly forbidden by Torah (last weeks parshah in fact) while the prohibition against extinguishing one is merely implied.

[Pearl of Wisdom]

Guess they don't teach the principles of combustion in Yeshivas. Those are the pages they rip out of secular Science books.

I think they reported the address in an updated story on line. Huge house, over 3,000 square feet.

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

@Ynot ----> "It is just a mattress. I would not have bothered the fire department either, they have better things to worry about than a mattress."

Ummm.....like I have said elsewhere, I'm not a brain surgeon, I'm just a lawyer, but even I know that when it's fire that we are talking about....call the Fire Department. Worrying about things that catch fire is their job.

@Jeff ----> "Rabbinic Judaism is sort of like the Bizarro world in DC comics"...I could not have said it better myself.

And as far as your comment about "natural selection"....well, Feminista put it brilliantly several days ago when she said that in a couple of generations, what with their inbreeding, and their complete rejection of secular education, we will see actual and severe difference in IQ's, etc, between the haredi/hasidic/frum Jewry in the US, and those of us who are (for lack of a better term) "normal" Jewish people.

We are already seeing that difference as far as income and professional status- I mean, as Jews, given our percentage of the American population, we are QUITE over-represented in the legal/medical/scientific fields- I mean, out of nine Supreme Court Justices, three (Justices Breyer, Ginsburg and Kagan) are Jewish. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Meanwhile, the Hasidic/Haredi/Frum population in the US prides itself on it's rejection of secular education and it's refusal to engage the outside world any more than absolutely necessary.

And we see the results. Stunted lives of tens of thousands of people who will never realize anything near their full potential, hand-in-hand with crushing poverty.

.....I just keep hoping that your prediction that they don't have more than two generations comes to pass.

[Jeff]

I actually think it will only take one more generation for their subculture to collapse - but they aren't going to fade away quietly, as they keep predicting for us ("Your grandchildren won't be Jewish", etc.). The result will be a bloody mess.

[Audrey T Benjamin]

" If his wife went into labor during the Sabbath what would this man do?"
You mean treat the combination sperm receptacle/brood mare like a person? As if the haredi would ever do such a thing.

[Reuven]

So let me get this straight... the guy (inadvertently) started the fire, refused to call the fire department because he didn't want to desecrate Shabbos. Well he already did.... but now he has an obligation to desecrate shabbos to SAVE A LIFE. a casestudy in a Chassid Shoteh. Remind me to never invite this frumtard over for shabbos