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January 07, 2014

Murdered Satmar Slumlord’s Hasidic Business Partner Now Suspect In His Killing

Police are reportedly focusing on Perlmutter because they believe Perlmutter repeatedly lied to them about Stark. They also reportedly say that Perlmutter is trying to deflect attention from himself by using a Russian businessman as a scapegoat.

Menachem "Max" Stark

Murdered Satmar Slumlord’s Hasidic Business Partner Now Suspect In His Killing
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Murdered hasidic slumlord Menachem “Max” Stark’s business partner Israel “Sam” Perlmutter is a suspect in Stark’s murder, a police source told the New York Daily News.

Police are reportedly focusing on Perlmutter because they believe Perlmutter repeatedly lied to them about Stark. They also reportedly believe that Perlmutter is trying to deflect attention away from himself by trying to implicate a Russian businessman involved in the private loans business.

Perlmutter – a long time friend of Stark who is also a member of the Satmar hasidic community – lives in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. He claims to be in fear for his life and has reportedly hired armed guards for protection.

Besides his career as a slumlord and a real estate developer, Stark reportedly was also a lender who loaned money as bridge loans to other businessmen at a 30% (or greater) interest rate.

Police now believe Stark may have been crushed to death after being kidnapped late Thursday in Williamsburg. His body was found in a garbage dumpster in Great Neck Friday.

“It might be that they sat on him to get him under control and that they wound up killing him that way,” a police source reportedly said.

Yesterday, members of the murdered millionaire slumlord’s family held a press conference to announce that they had upped the amount of the reward the wealthy family was offering for information that leads to the arrest of Stark’s killers.

The reward amount was raised – from $11,000 to $25,000.

When Stark was still thought to be alive, his family offered a $100,000 reward for information leading to his safe return.

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Thirty percent interest rates? Who did he think he was, Mastercard?
Sadly, thirty percent is quite a bit lower than the effective rate charged by payday loan companies.

wait! what?
isn't it a pretty big thing not to charge another jew interest?

Probably 30% per month.

Slumlord millionaire. Nice title.
Soon, the investigation will reveal a tangled web of frumma crooks, corrupt politicians, and buses will be taking away dozens of frumma doing the perp walk. It's only a matter of time. The Dwek story will look small by comparison.

WSC: Slumlord Millionaire sounds like a movie parody.

No shit Sherlock, so is his wife and brother and 100's of others

Wouldn't it be funny if Perlmutter flees to Israel under the protection of the the Gerrer "rebbe" by Saturday morning?

i wonder if they asked for his passport.
doesn't matter really.
it's easy to take another hasid's passport. they can look very similar, no?
very easy.
even if you're not a hasid.
my friend came into kennedy years ago with a passport he bought on the black market
and put his picture into. not hasidic. regular guy.
the guy and customs looked at him funny or twice.
my friend gave him $5,000 cash and went through into new york from
paris.

Oh how you putzes love to dramatize and sensationalize this tragedy. It shows how sick you are and how hellbent you are in besmirching a mostly decent people simply for leading a more religious life than yours. There are bad people in all walks of life; nothing new. Shame on you for licking up to the nations instead of showing solidarity with a fellow Jew regardless of his wrongdoing. Don't you ever forget that all those tuches leckers who kissed up to the secular culture back in Germany went to the gallows alongside their 'filthy Haredi' brothers and sisters. עס האט זיי גארניט געהאלפן.
Yeah Shmarya, I know, It was different then...

All the talk should be within - amongst ourselves, to better our bad business practices and the chilul Hashem it causes. No one respects you for betraying your own by badmouthing them publicly; no one. You are viewed as a cheap lowly snitch-like figure who'd sellout his mother for some pocket change.
Shame on you Shmarya and company!

Jekyl, don't worry, the frumma will have plenty of companionship in prison.
You should start raising money now for lawyers and bail. I'm sure plenty of Satmar are on their way to the airport, knowing how this investigation will unfold.

JekylJ---I CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE A LUBAVICHER THE GURNIT GIVES YOU AWAY AS A SATMER CONNECTED GUY WE SAY GURNISHT.

fORGOT TO SAY OR A LITVICHER.

Hey Dr jekyl
"""solidarity with a fellow Jew regardless of his wrongdoin"""

We have nothing in common with those that kill, mis-treat people, diddle with kids etc

They in turn, look upon us ordinary yidden as some sort of maggot.

Because of the Internet, this crap cannot be hidden anymore.

Ruthie, that is very interesting. Sounds like you hang with some very interesting people. Tell us about some of your other friends!

"All the talk should be within - amongst ourselves, to better our bad business practices and the chilul Hashem it causes"

So......How's that working out for you?

I gave no idea whether the partner is involved, or just behaving as Jekyl suggests we all should, but if he IS in fact innocent and IS simply not cooperating with the police because......we DON'T cooperate with the police, then he is behaving in a way that all but guarantees that the real perpetrators will get away clean. In most of these cases, they bad guts are caught quickly - or not at all, and to deflect resources away from the search and toward someone who is basically just being a butt head........

@jekyll:

There are crooks among members of all groups however (1) crooks are rotten people and (2) your frum buddies pretend to be holier-than-thou, looking down on other Jews and on non-Jews as lesser life forms to be despised and exploited which is a wretched arrogant attitude. Can you therefore then be surprised at the schadenfreude expressed by the commenters here when one of these miserable creatures meets an unpleasant end? There's no solidarity to be shown with someone like that. He wouldn't consider showing any solidarity with me if I were in a bind. He swam with sharks and got bitten, fatally. His kids will pay the price which as I've said before is unfortunate.

i AM SURE THAT THOSE CRIMINALS WHO KILLED HIM WARNED OR THREATENED PERMUTTER THAT IF HE TALKS THEY WILL KILL HIM OR HIS FAMILY SO HE IS SCARED OUT OF HIS MIND THATS WHY HE DOESNT COOPERATE

Don't you ever forget that all those tuches leckers who kissed up to the secular culture back in Germany went to the gallows alongside their 'filthy Haredi' brothers and sisters. עס האט זיי גארניט געהאלפן.
Yeah Shmarya, I know, It was different then...

Posted by: JekylJ | January 07, 2014 at 07:07 AM

yes and all you torah learning people, frum, people who tuches leckers who kissed gods ass also went into the oven as us dirty secular Jews.

so what is point exactly

If Perlmutter talks, he will have to snitch on other Satmar. There must be more than just him involved in all the crooked schemes. He will have to 'confess' to being the killer and not snitch on anyone else. The mafia will finish him off either way.

What are the odds of Perlmutter fleeing to Israel on a stolen or "borrowed" passport?

Shmarya- nice cut and paste from the daily news, but its obviously not his partner jews don't kill jews. And its no surprise that he's being elusive with the cops he had allot of shady dealings he's not interested in talking about. But again it's not his partner or any other fruma.

Moisheb-You imbacile ,you say jews dont kill jews,there is the story pre ww2 where the hassid in satmer killed 4 jews in his town name was reinitz and there are other cases where jews murdered jews

I saw on another site that the family is complaining about the murderers not being caught,well theese geniuses dont realize they wont be caught because his friend perlmutter refuses to divulge any info most probably he is afraid of what they will find out about their buisness dealings,but they cant or dont want to see that it is because of their own doing that the murderer wont be caught its a no brainer.

It's no surprise that the police suspect the business partner. Who gains the most from the death? Stupid guy to blame everything on a Russian. We should all really begin praying for the welfare of innocent family members of all ages.

These Satmer and other charedim think that nobody recognizes their lies. They've lied to each other and themselves. Their community tzdaka camouflages their immoral lives. So when they meet an outsider, they assume the outsider falls for the fabrication.

I don't know if the partner has direct responsibility for the crime, but he probably knows who does. Fortunately, he has body guards. Whomever wanted debt payment from Stark will now try to collect it from him.

Those of you who dislike FMers associations with non-Jews should take a lesson from this murder. Evidently Stark had business associations with non Jews. Always be extra law abiding and nice to non-Jews and seculars. Their encounter with one Jew leads them to assumptions about all of us.

In 1923, Jacob Reinitz was sentenced to hang for the murder of six Jews (although he probably killed more).

Reinitz, who was known as a successful sacharine smuggler and would tell other Jews of the great moneys to be made in smuggling and urge them to join him in his enterprise.

When one of these Jews was persuaded, Reinitz would tell him to bring a considerable sum of money along to buy the goods which were to be smuggled in. The two would proceed to illicitly cross the heavily wooded and hilly border where Reinitz would then rob and murder his victim. He would then spread a report that his victim was caught smuggling and was shot by the frontier guards.

Seymor
The point is: stop licking up to the nations; they are not our friends. Your analogy is flawed and you know it is, so I won't waste my time answering.

From your beloved New York Post TOday:

Police sources said that Perlmutter has been cooperating with investigators and is not a suspect at this time.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/07/slain-slumlord-fought-to-the-end-was-asphyxiated-in-kidnap-van/

Jekyl, you suffer from severe paranoia. And spare me your ignorant perspectives about the Holocaust. You know nothing about the Holocaust.

In today's world, nobody nowadays hates you unless you give them a reason. Stop cheating and stealing; that might be a good start. Meanwhile, see a psychiatrist to get started on medications for your paranoia.

The well known motto of the New York Times is 'All the news that is fit to print'

If the New York Post had a motto it would be 'we call bullshit'.

Immediately after Stark was murdered, the Hareidi political and religious leadership issued statements praising his generosity and righteousness despite the fact that he lived his life and ended his life in a manner which clearly and PUBLICLY said otherwise.

The Haredi leadership (and Yossi Gestetner) need to understand that outside of their cult, their proclamation of Stark's righteousness is seen as complete bullshit, and the New York Post not being beholden to them (unlike local politicians one of who suggested the murder was by a tenant) is prepared to call this bullshit because as a tabloid, that is what they do with pride.

Hareidim absolutely cannot stand being told that both who and what they hold as important is bullshit and the exaggerated response to the New York Post's report is due to that fact. They have received a lesson in reality as to what the average New Yorker thinks of them and their practices.

Barry,
How come you left this part of Renitz's "good deeds"

From JTA September 1923
"During the war, Reinitz acted as a military spy, making it his specialty to inform the government of Jewish deserters."

Read more: http://www.jta.org/1923/09/28/archive/jewish-smuggler-to-hang-for-the-murder-of-six-other-jews#ixzz2pjMHgDMP


This Reintz, was apparently similar to our own Failed Messiah, "bothered" by jews who went awol...
i am always worried about the finger waggers, the likes of Shmarya, grandson of a mafiosi, Ruthie,Devorah...these are the kind that will slit throats, and use their indignation as a cover up

The frumma better stop wagging fingers at the camera and demanding investigations. The investigations will lead to the arrests of more frumma.

Attention frumma: Be careful what you wish for.

Barry--My hassidishe neighbors father was at reinitzes trial he was actually killed during an operation while he was in jail he was killed to spare the embarrament of a trial.

JekylJ---"The point is: stop licking up to the nations; they are not our friends."
Its not the nation that is youre true enemy it is you youreself who is youre worst enemy,you are truly a demented idiot.

Jancsibasi - calm down I'm speaking on general terms fruma don't kill any you know that to be true so cut the crap

About 30 yrs ago in Monsey there was a terrible tragedy in which a "religious" man killed his business partner and his wife. If anyone remembers his wife was pregnant and he carved her stomach trying to save the baby. I think the business was having problems and he was trying to get the insurance money. So Moisheb it may be very rare but here is one case in which fruma do kill fruma.

Moisheb--Dont play the dummy with me read what others wrote here about this reinitz and it could happen more often then you would like to think that jews kill jews,just look at the many jews who cooperated with the germans during ww2 many jewish kapos,my mother who was in aushwitz told me that a few woman from her town were kapos one of them begged my mother not to hurt her after the war she also came back to the town.

I dont think he permutter killed or had anything to do with killing of stark but i do think that he is not cooperating with the police because he is very afraid of what the police will find out about the way they are operating their buissnes the shady side of it,he is scared of being found out that he is a big crook.

ROFL

"Murdered Satmar Slumlord’s Hasidic Business Partner Now Suspect In His Killing"

Not even worth commenting.

I'm putting my money on the partner.

Ah Jancsi
Nice to hear from you. If no one ever told you before, your stupidity is quite evident.

Yehudis
I remember very well. Wow, 30 years go by that quick...

,my mother who was in aushwitz

Posted by: jancsibacsi | January 07, 2014 at 11:11 AM


oh jancsi!
big hug
we love you here

Seymor
The point is: stop licking up to the nations; they are not our friends. Your analogy is flawed and you know it is, so I won't waste my time answering.

Posted by: JekylJ | January 07, 2014 at 10:06 AM

whom is licked all we ask is to behave like normal law abiding citizen

and bty davening and praying has not help us during the holocaust so why bother now

JekylJ--As they say in yiddish kish mir vi de yidden hoben geriet.you know what that means .

my thought about Stark the hasid who got killed

maybe it was the mob but for reasons I did not see anybody mention.

maybe stark did not want to play ball with them. maybe they where shaking him down for protection money, to use their contractors, use their suppliers and he said no. It would not be the first time someone got killed because of that

just a thought

jansci and WSC-

Good advice for all

Na,Seymour,i see you didn't read the headline of this post its his partner and probably his wife too.

JekylJ--As they say in yiddish kish mir vi de yidden hoben geriet.you know what that means .

Posted by: jancsibacsi | January 07, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Ah Jancsi
THAT's what happened 'back in the old home'... You told the mohel/shochet "kish mir" and he did...

When I encountered the charedi community many, many years ago, their vile language shocked me. We were taught not to use nasty language and to name call. The Torah forbids it. Yet JekylJ and others quickly resort to that form of expression. Also, they insult the messenger and ignore the message. They bully verbally dissenters of their view.

All this must come from learning their Torah, not mine.


the guy and customs looked at him funny or twice.
my friend gave him $5,000 cash and went through into new york from
paris.

Posted by: ruthie | January 07, 2014 at 07:06 AM

I don't quite understand. Are you saying your friend bribed a US Customs inspector? Are you saying he entered the United States with a forged passport? Both? Neither?

Ok, someone more enlightened than me please explain how in the Satmar world informing the authorities of Weberman's sexual abuse of young girls was mesira but turning in Stark's killer to the police is not?

JekylJTo--To you its all a joke i see molestations, child abuse its all in the game of survival of the fittest,it shows where youre coming from,the jungle of youre false make beleive religious fanaticism.

my friend's passport was bought on the black market and he put his pic in it. customs guy gave him a look....friend gave customs guy $5000.
sadly, he died in a car accident in majorca a few years back.
but another passport story...
two jewish men.....one gave his passport to his brother to enter the united states illegally via canada.

Bas Melech, they express themselves that way because of a dire lack of proper education, which would have allowed themselves to elucidate in the proper manner.

Posted by: Moisheb | January 07, 2014 at 09:18 AM

Liar. Yigal Amir was a frum Jew. He killed Yitzhak Rabin.

Jancsi
"Survival of the fittest"
Ah, so you learned something. Several months ago your vocabulary was that of a first grader.
Mazel Tov.

JekylJ-Youre a twerp go hang youreself on the hightest tree nearest to youre house,you are truly a sicko sick as they come punk.

Reading these posts it only goes to show that everyone cares about something else.
Don't worry about protecting Judiasm, worry about being a respectable and knowledgeable Jew and everything will fall into place. Covering up others short comings, crimes, etc only leads to more hatred from others. If a Hasid or Satmar committed a crime they should face the punishmant. Remember if the guilty go free more will be hurt, killed etc.

In cases like this the police start close and work outwards. Family and business associates are always the first ones they investigate

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