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January 06, 2014

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Maskil

I'm on a handheld device. This is difficult.

Between the last two responses I had responded:

"Even without the quote: It's official, coordinaded in cooperation between the Zionist goverment and Chabad, each side recognizing the role of the other. It is an official collaboration that makes not just the shluchim but Merkos Cha bad itself a Zionist agency. What I know with certainty: the Rebbe would never have allowed this partnership."

The last reply was in response to that.

Make a few goddamn phone calls! Get a statement!

Maskil

Here's a response I received from... someone:

Here's a link with info about the Israeli draft story. Evidently, this is talking about shluchim who are 1)Israelis and 2)often working in a shlichus place serving Israelis. I've met their type all over the world.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/knesset-panel-snubs-idfs-objection-to-national-service-for-chabad/2014/01/01/

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The Rebbe wouldn't have allowed this in a million years. It means officially recognizing Chabad, or specifically bochur shlichus of Merkos, as an official agency of the Zionist State of Israel. This is antipathetic of Chabad ideology. The Rebbe would never had allowed it. I'd like to know who authorized this.


“I want the emissaries to know on a daily basis that they are emissaries of the state."

I'm quite familiar with the Israeli Merkos Shlichus program, as well as the developments re: legislation vis-à-vis civil derbies in lieu of military service.

Please note the quotation cited above from the "link."

I want to know who at the Lubavitch World Headquarters authorized integrating Merkos shlichus as an official agency of the Zionist State of Israel. This is antipathetic of Chabad ideology. The Rebbe would never had allowed it. I'd like to know who authorized this.

Doesn't it just rattle you to the core that this is being implemented? This is total boulder dash! Where is the outcry? Where is the protest over the erosion of the core values set by our Rabbeim. Why this is being considered "okay" in any way?

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This concern is just so much balderdash. The person quoted is using his own poetic language to underscore the high regard that the State has for the work of the shluchim - specifically in giving the *tayalim* attention and being there for the *tayalim* when they are in trouble - like being in jail for this breach or another. Like being there to claim the body of one who died in his/her* tayalut*. There is *no* formal or informal linking of organizations on *any* level.
Balderdash!

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I've been to many of these Chabad Houses. They are totally Chabad with no *zaicher* of the *Medinah* whatsoever. The association that you create is yours alone and not existing nor evident in the operation of these Chabad Houses. If you choose to create the linkage - it's a free country.

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Now, Shmarya: You and I know that if I had a free day I could get conclusive documentation of this partnership. But I don't. The Rebbe wouldn't have allowed it. Will you call Merkos and get a statement???

Be a good journalist and do your job. Call and get an official response, and find out who in Merkos gave the go ahead for this arrangement.

Editor

>>>"…the Rebbe wouldn't have allowed this in a million years. It means officially recognizing Chabad, or specifically bochur shlichus of Merkos as an official agency of the Zionist State.…"<<<

To exempt 100 bochrim per year from the draft with the potential to have that number raised exponentially in a years? Sure he would have allowed it.

Maskil

Shmarya, are ya gonna call Merkos for a comment or not?!

Maskil

Shmarya???

Maskil

Hosed, the Rebbe wouldn't have allowed this in a million years. It means officially recognizing Chabad, or specifically bochur shlichus of Merkos as an official agency of the Zionist State. This is antipathetic of Chabad ideology. The Rebbe would never had allowed it. I'd like to know who did. I was hoping Shmarya would call Merkos to find out, to speak with Zalman Shmotkin, or Bogomilsky, or at least get a clarification from Mendel Feller.

Yosef ben Matitya

So, wait. The Chabad movement is now an agent of the Zionist State of Israel?

no, maskil, chabad is deceiving the state into believing that they are Zionist to evade the draft.

Maskil

I meant to write: only when considered an *exemption* can acception be taken and discrimination be claimed.

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But the bigger deal is Chabad becoming a Zionist agency. Who authorized this?

Maskil

[... at the very least Chabad is now an agency within the ranks of the Zionist State of Israel. Un-fucking believable what some will do for money, or to save the skin of their noses - cowards!]

Maskil

So, wait. The Chabad movement is now an agent of the Zionist State of Israel?

The Rebbe would NOT have allowed this.

An outrage! Interesting it would be to know who authorized this.

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As for equality: as long as this service is considered to be equivalent to military service it is not discriminatory, just as it would not be discriminatory to have Arab only civil service volunteers in the Arab sector. Only when considered an exceptioin can exception be taken to this law.

Yosef ben Matitya

is it Edward snowden on the right? makes sense as he is a friend of Putin, like all chabadniks.

plus.google.com/105365650738687784925

What's the alternative? Having these 100 boys walking around the barracks after morning drills and bothering all the soldiers with "Did you put on tefillin today? Here, put on tefillin today!" and interrupting the senior staff with "And you know what the Rebbe said about that?" Is that better?

Editor

>>>"Any Israeli is exempted from the draft when he lives abroad..."

Posted by: soso | January 07, 2014 at 04:41 AM<<<

That is irrelevant here.

As I reported, these kids do a year (or, occasionally two) helping a Chabad shaliach and studying part of the day for smicha. They do this in Israel, in America, In Europe, etc.

What the law if passed would do is allow any Israeli Chabad kids (up to 100 per year) leave Israel to do their year of shlichut in, say Paris or New York, and then *RETURN* to Israel without being drafted, arrested or penalized.

Jeff

So practicing Christianity is grounds for not being drafted?

soso

Any Israeli is exempted from the draft when he lives abroad...

Lo K'darkah

I'm in favor of it: that's 100 young men who'll be walking around with a Tanya - pestering other Israelis to go to a Passover Seder in Ugabuga, and not walking around with a machine gun - pestering the locals in Hebron.

m

chabad are pests . they pester and harass knesset members until they get what they want.

chabad are the cancer of society that spread everywhere .

Office of the Chief Rabbi

What shit. Plain and simple. Proving, as I have said before, on several occasions: Israeli politicians have no balls, no balls, no balls.

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