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January 06, 2014

Against IDF’s Wishes, Knesset Committee Decides To Exempt Chabad Missionaries Who Serve Overseas From The Draft

Chabad Florida Tefillin Santa closeup 12-2013100 Chabad men each year will be allowed to serve as Chabad emissaries in the Diaspora and have it count as national civilian service in Israel and as a replacement there for military service, the special Knesset committee writing the Israel’s new draft law decided today over strong objections from the IDF, which argued that exempting the Chabad men would undermine efforts to draft haredim and discriminate against non-haredi men.

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Against IDF’s Wishes, Knesset Committee Decides To Exempt Chabad Missionaries Who Serve Overseas From The Draft
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

100 Chabad men each year will be allowed to serve as Chabad missionaries in the Diaspora and have that count as national civilian service in Israel and as a replacement there for military service, the special Knesset committee writing the Israel’s new draft law reportedly decided today over strong objections from the IDF, which argued that exempting the Chabad men would undermine efforts to draft haredim and discriminate against non-haredi men.

“This proposal significantly undermines equality in the burden [of service] and advances neither the drafting of the Haredim nor their integration. We have agreements from the past for drafting a significant portion of the Chabad population into the army, and this proposal is damaging. It sends the wrong message about drafting Haredim.…This proposal distances the soldier serving on the Lebanese border from the ‘soldier’ doing volunteer work in Thailand,” Brig. Gen. Gadi Agmon, head of the IDF planning and personnel, reportedly told the Knesset committee.

After the vote was taken, MKs Ofer Shelah from the Yesh Atid Party and Omer Bar-Lev of the Labor Party reportedly asked the committee to reconsider.

“It’s inconceivable that in the framework of the security service law, we should send people to serve overseas. The issue isn’t Chabad - the problem is that today we’re talking about Chabad and tomorrow other organizations will apply [for similar status], and then we’ll have to argue over which organization contributes to the state and which doesn’t. Therefore, we need to set a boundary. And the boundary for security service should be within the borders of the State of Israel,” Bar-Lev reportedly said.

The Chabad men usually spend one year as emissaries after graduating from their equivalent of yeshiva high school. Some serve that year in Israel. Others serve it in New York, Paris, or other cities with Chabad yeshivas, where they study for ordination and help local Chabad emissaries run programs.

After the meeting, Bar-Lev told Haaretz that he also objects to civilian national service volunteers getting very similar benefits to what demobilized soldiers get. This improper equivalency “legitimizes turning national service into an alternative form of military service, with equal benefits for the volunteers.…This is unacceptable, and could lead to a problematic result that would empty the concept of ‘the people’s army’ of all content.”

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What shit. Plain and simple. Proving, as I have said before, on several occasions: Israeli politicians have no balls, no balls, no balls.

chabad are pests . they pester and harass knesset members until they get what they want.

chabad are the cancer of society that spread everywhere .

I'm in favor of it: that's 100 young men who'll be walking around with a Tanya - pestering other Israelis to go to a Passover Seder in Ugabuga, and not walking around with a machine gun - pestering the locals in Hebron.

Any Israeli is exempted from the draft when he lives abroad...

So practicing Christianity is grounds for not being drafted?

>>>"Any Israeli is exempted from the draft when he lives abroad..."

Posted by: soso | January 07, 2014 at 04:41 AM<<<

That is irrelevant here.

As I reported, these kids do a year (or, occasionally two) helping a Chabad shaliach and studying part of the day for smicha. They do this in Israel, in America, In Europe, etc.

What the law if passed would do is allow any Israeli Chabad kids (up to 100 per year) leave Israel to do their year of shlichut in, say Paris or New York, and then *RETURN* to Israel without being drafted, arrested or penalized.

What's the alternative? Having these 100 boys walking around the barracks after morning drills and bothering all the soldiers with "Did you put on tefillin today? Here, put on tefillin today!" and interrupting the senior staff with "And you know what the Rebbe said about that?" Is that better?

is it Edward snowden on the right? makes sense as he is a friend of Putin, like all chabadniks.

So, wait. The Chabad movement is now an agent of the Zionist State of Israel?

The Rebbe would NOT have allowed this.

An outrage! Interesting it would be to know who authorized this.

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As for equality: as long as this service is considered to be equivalent to military service it is not discriminatory, just as it would not be discriminatory to have Arab only civil service volunteers in the Arab sector. Only when considered an exceptioin can exception be taken to this law.

[... at the very least Chabad is now an agency within the ranks of the Zionist State of Israel. Un-fucking believable what some will do for money, or to save the skin of their noses - cowards!]

I meant to write: only when considered an *exemption* can acception be taken and discrimination be claimed.

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But the bigger deal is Chabad becoming a Zionist agency. Who authorized this?

So, wait. The Chabad movement is now an agent of the Zionist State of Israel?

no, maskil, chabad is deceiving the state into believing that they are Zionist to evade the draft.

Hosed, the Rebbe wouldn't have allowed this in a million years. It means officially recognizing Chabad, or specifically bochur shlichus of Merkos as an official agency of the Zionist State. This is antipathetic of Chabad ideology. The Rebbe would never had allowed it. I'd like to know who did. I was hoping Shmarya would call Merkos to find out, to speak with Zalman Shmotkin, or Bogomilsky, or at least get a clarification from Mendel Feller.

Shmarya???

Shmarya, are ya gonna call Merkos for a comment or not?!

>>>"…the Rebbe wouldn't have allowed this in a million years. It means officially recognizing Chabad, or specifically bochur shlichus of Merkos as an official agency of the Zionist State.…"<<<

To exempt 100 bochrim per year from the draft with the potential to have that number raised exponentially in a years? Sure he would have allowed it.

Here's a response I received from... someone:

Here's a link with info about the Israeli draft story. Evidently, this is talking about shluchim who are 1)Israelis and 2)often working in a shlichus place serving Israelis. I've met their type all over the world.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/knesset-panel-snubs-idfs-objection-to-national-service-for-chabad/2014/01/01/

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The Rebbe wouldn't have allowed this in a million years. It means officially recognizing Chabad, or specifically bochur shlichus of Merkos, as an official agency of the Zionist State of Israel. This is antipathetic of Chabad ideology. The Rebbe would never had allowed it. I'd like to know who authorized this.


“I want the emissaries to know on a daily basis that they are emissaries of the state."

I'm quite familiar with the Israeli Merkos Shlichus program, as well as the developments re: legislation vis-à-vis civil derbies in lieu of military service.

Please note the quotation cited above from the "link."

I want to know who at the Lubavitch World Headquarters authorized integrating Merkos shlichus as an official agency of the Zionist State of Israel. This is antipathetic of Chabad ideology. The Rebbe would never had allowed it. I'd like to know who authorized this.

Doesn't it just rattle you to the core that this is being implemented? This is total boulder dash! Where is the outcry? Where is the protest over the erosion of the core values set by our Rabbeim. Why this is being considered "okay" in any way?

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This concern is just so much balderdash. The person quoted is using his own poetic language to underscore the high regard that the State has for the work of the shluchim - specifically in giving the *tayalim* attention and being there for the *tayalim* when they are in trouble - like being in jail for this breach or another. Like being there to claim the body of one who died in his/her* tayalut*. There is *no* formal or informal linking of organizations on *any* level.
Balderdash!

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I've been to many of these Chabad Houses. They are totally Chabad with no *zaicher* of the *Medinah* whatsoever. The association that you create is yours alone and not existing nor evident in the operation of these Chabad Houses. If you choose to create the linkage - it's a free country.

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Now, Shmarya: You and I know that if I had a free day I could get conclusive documentation of this partnership. But I don't. The Rebbe wouldn't have allowed it. Will you call Merkos and get a statement???

Be a good journalist and do your job. Call and get an official response, and find out who in Merkos gave the go ahead for this arrangement.

I'm on a handheld device. This is difficult.

Between the last two responses I had responded:

"Even without the quote: It's official, coordinaded in cooperation between the Zionist goverment and Chabad, each side recognizing the role of the other. It is an official collaboration that makes not just the shluchim but Merkos Cha bad itself a Zionist agency. What I know with certainty: the Rebbe would never have allowed this partnership."

The last reply was in response to that.

Make a few goddamn phone calls! Get a statement!

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