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December 08, 2013

Men, Don't Talk To Your Sisters-In-Law, Haredi Modesty Sign Says

Williamsburg modesty sign don't talk to your sister-in-law, etc. 12-6-2013"Unimportant talking, shmoozing and laughter [between in-laws and cousins] is not allowed," Williamsburg haredi modesty sign says.

Free translation:

Hilchos tznius (the laws of modesty) between men and women are also required to be observed by brother-in-laws, sister-in-laws and cousins.

• Unimportant talking, shmoozing and laughter is not allowed.

• It is forbidden to play games together; this is an inappropriate activity.

• Gender segregation between men and women relatives must always be fully in place.

Williamsburg modesty sign don't talk to your sister-in-law, etc. 12-6-2013

[Hat Tip: Burich.]

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Pretty soon the customs of the Gur Hasidim will be Toyreh from Sinai for all Orthodox Jews.

Presumably it will be OK to discuss how to cover up the latest case of child molestation...

I don't have to talk to my sisters in-law anymore? Yay!!!!

@Skeptical:

A blessing in disguise, then.

That aside, these Hasidim are crazed not that we needed this little item to establish that. If only there were some way to project a XXX rated movie clip onto the cloud cover over their ghettos some overcast evening and then watch them freak out en masse. Maybe a Ron Jeremy film to bring it home a little. Tefillin optional.

MEN DONT BE BORN YOU MIGHT LIVE A LIFE:) sml you hit on right on they are crazed,they have it soo good that they go of the deep end, they are theese hassidim are the shame on us all sane jews

It must be a very slow day down in Shmaryah"s sewer,he has to resort to bring us some graffiti scrawled on a piece of paper by a mindless zombie idiot,hey Shmaryah whats next,some graffiti scrawled on a bathroom wall somewhere in williamsburg,can't wait.
You are really losing it sitting in your mothers dirty dingy dark basement (sewer)all day long trying to dig up some dirt on your fellow jews,Shmaryah,if you don't change course in your miserable life,you will eventually lose your sanity and find yourself in a mental asylum one nice day.
For your own sake,please get a life,drag yourself out of that sewer, go get a job,get married raise a family and become a productive human being

If you go to family reunions to pick up girls, you might be a Haredi Jew.....

Apologies to Jeff Foxworthy

Jancsibacsi, you are pathetic you have become Shmaryah's little poodle dog who licks his boots all day long,whenever Shmarya vomits out his dirt on jews,who is the first one to lap it all up ?,it's non other than our own Jancsibacsi,LOL
hey Jancsi,do you ever disagree with Shmaryah?
OH" i forgot a poodle never disagrees with it's master

"Posted by: Frum but normal | December 08, 2013 at 07:39 AM"

You have nothing of value to say on this or any other subject. You live a useless, cloistered life, in which your only achievement is to produce more mindless drones like yourself.

The reason you keep coming back here to hurl your vitriol is that you're terrified Shmarya may be right, and that your life is being wasted.

May you live to see each of your children deny everything you hold sacred.

Posted by: Frum but normal | December 08, 2013 at 08:00 AM

Rather than providing an intelligent rebuttal to the article or Jansci's comment, you resort to childish ad hominem. All you do is prove their point.

I hate my sister....if I extend this to include her is that muttar, or am I over on baal-tosef?

Frum but normal--It takes a poodle to know a poodle you keep on poodling to youre uber fool rebbes and whoever they may be, theese hassidim destroyed yiddishkeit with their uber strict stupidities,yes i abhore their insane chumres with all my might they are despicable,in my oppinion they have it so good that they go nuts from not having to struglle for a living with all the sec. food stamps vouchers they become uber fu-s

Frum but normal--Hassidism is an imposed mental illness,they terrorize their own children to be like them,same with the rebbes they want you to be like them an automaton no wonder you have all theese chassidim mentally destroyed no wonder you have so many monster molesters among them i am one of their victims their despicabl;e behaviour is unacceptable to decent jews, they are dragging the good jews with them into the mud, sick and getting sicker.

Frum but not normal-Doesn't look like graffiti to me. It is a printed sign with a telephone number on the bottom. I guess it's hard to have led a secretive life for so long and now to have your dirty laundry hung out for people to see. Your brain washing shows in your last sentence. You can lead a very happy productive life without getting married and "raising" several kids that are in many cases being raised by their older sisters.

"Sisters-in-law," Shmarya, not "sister-in-laws." And I got a Hared I education, what's your excuse?

Frum but..

You should change your moniker. You are frum and NOT normal, especially if you agree with the above separation of close female relatives, even those by marriage.

People like you must walk around thinking about sex every time you see a female of any age. This is NOT normal. The reason why normal men don't get sexual urges when they see close relatives fully clothed is because their sight and scent is familiar. Because charedi men separate themselves to the extreme from ANY woman, they get urges any time they see the gentler sex.

Maybe you can explain why many charedim visit prostitutes and view XXX videos? How do I know this? The merchants have told me how disgusting this is. They make fun of charedim.

Jansci, is right. It takes one poodle to know another. You are a charedi poodle dog.

Frum but..

The extreme separation fosters the homosexuality you deplore. Just look at sexual behavior in both men and women's prisons.

Please people, quit calling Frum but Normal a poodle. It's an insult to poodles.

Why stop there? They should avoid their daughters, sisters, mothers, and grandmothers! The yetzer hara comes in every form!

Feminista,
apologies to poodles. I just used his words to show a point.


Bas Melech
You should change your moniker. You are frum and NOT normal, especially if you agree with the above separation of close female relatives, even those by marriage.
===========================================
Bas Melech,i suspect you must be an ex chasid
who's reading and comprehension of the English language is at a grade three level.
didn't i say that whoever wrote this is a mindless zombie idiot,and 95% of chareidim agree with it,my only problem was with Shmaryah for posting it.
could you imagine someone opening a blog and posting each and every gratify scrawled on the bathroom walls of a catholic school,and then going ahead and bashing the catholic church and all Catholics on that account,well this is exactly what this self hating idiot Shmaryah is doing,and all you jewish and non jewish self hating and jew hating bastards hanging out in this sewer called FM just mindlessly cheer him on

Not nearly strict enough.

It should explicitly prohibit my mother-in-law from speaking to me.

Eli,this is the first i agree with something you said. LOL

Frum but Normal: I guess it takes time before the brainwashing peters out. Process this: The introduction of narrower and narrower halachas regarding interaction with the opposite sex is characteristic of immature sexuality. This is the sexual behaviour of eight to ten year-old boys in their interaction with girls. Girls frighten them and they wish to segregate. They consider ALL women wanton and temptresses, what fools these haredi bastards are! Maybe if their mothers didn't shit one out every nine months there would have been enough interaction in the household to cause their brains to mature. I often state this, but it bears repeating: Never in the illustrious history of mankind have there been a group of males that live in fear of their own erections.

You can lead a very happy productive life without getting married and "raising" several kids that are in many cases being raised by their older sisters.
Not willing to raise a family shows a selfish person who sheds responsibilities.
As far as leading a happy life goes, it is nearly impossible to fathom the idea that a person can be happy knowing that once he shuts his eyes for good that's it; gone forever - a dead end.
Yes, I pity Shmarya.

Yehudis-- "You can lead a very happy productive life without getting married and "raising" several kids that are in many cases being raised by their older sisters."

Not willing to raise a family shows a selfish person who sheds responsibilities.
As far as leading a happy life goes, it is nearly impossible to fathom the idea that a person can be happy knowing that once he shuts his eyes for good that's it; gone forever - a dead end.
Yes, I pity Shmarya.

YEHUDIS.
Frum but not normal-Doesn't look like graffiti to me. It is a printed sign with a telephone number on the bottom.
========================================
YEHUDIS,in other words anything printed with a telephone number must be official and taken seriously,i always knew that you guys hanging out in this sewer and cheering on this self hating zombie Shmaryah are evil,but now i realize you are stupid too

Not willing to raise a family shows a selfish person who sheds responsibilities.
As far as leading a happy life goes, it is nearly impossible to fathom the idea that a person can be happy knowing that once he shuts his eyes for good that's it; gone forever - a dead end.Yes, I pity Shmarya.
Posted by: JekylJ | December 08, 2013 at 11:13 AM
A) There's nothing wrong with being selfish, B) you cannot shed a responsibility you never took on for yourself.

Good for you. Too bad that there are plenty of happy atheists out there. Hell, there are plenty of happy Buddhists and they think that when they die, they're going to be reincarnated to live another crappy lifetime.
If you were still talking about marriage and children, lots of happily unmarried, childless people out there too. It's a shame you won't be one of them, though. It makes me sad to think you're going to breed; assuming you haven't already

"... many charedim visit prostitutes and view XXX videos..."

So my notion of projecting Ron Jeremy films on the clouds over Brooklyn might be seen as a public service, then.....ah, well.

Don't feed the trolls.

Frum but Normal -- how come any time this blog publishes Haredi fatwas that are outrageously ridiculous, you automatically proclaim they are fakes? Do you think Shmarya is so clever he can invent all of these himself?

("Mother-in-Law", Ernie K-Doe, Herman's Hermits)

(Sister in law) sister in law
(Sister in law) sister in law

The worst person I know
(Sister in law, sister in law)
She is such a schmo
(Sister in law, sister in law)
Now I can leave her alone
And have such a modest home
No worries about libido

(Sister in law) sister in law
(Sister in law) sister in law

Yetzer hara should be her name
(Sister in law, sister in law)
My schmeckle she could inflame
(Sister in law, sister in law)
Every time she opens her mouth,
My lust could really spout
This is mumbo-jumbo

(Sister in law) sister in law
(Sister in law) sister in law

I’d ask for games to play
(Sister in law, sister in law)
But it means that I could stray
(Sister in law, sister in law)
This rabbi makes a contribution
But if he’d shut up, it would be the solution
And don’t speak up no more

(Sister in law) sister in law
(Sister in law) sister in law


Yetzer hara should be her name
(Sister in law, sister in law)
My schmeckle she could inflame
(Sister in law, sister in law)
Every time she opens her mouth,
My lust could really spout
This is mumbo-jumbo

(Sister in law) sister in law
(Sister in law) sister in law

(The other) Eli
I was referring to people who do not reproduce.
If they are happy, they likely haven't given the matter any thought.
Yes, atheists can and should be happy for all they have is this one life in this jungle we call 'world'.
רשע וטוב לו...

It is common practice in more fervently religious Jewish circles for a man to avoid unnecessary conversation with all women who aren't immediate family or spouse. That includes one's sister-in-law. I can't imagine why anyone who's frum would take offense at seeing that fact made public. They should explain their reasoning and stand behind it- without ranting or spewing insults.

SkepticalYid---As a child i saw my melamed rebbi talk to my firends mother for a long time i thought why is he speaking to her so long i figured it out, he like most religious people are hypocrites when it come to woman sex and especially beauty they cant stop themselfs, sex is infinitly more powerfull the the toreh which is man made.

Jancsi, there are also degrees of religiosity. Some have the common sense and courtesy to talk to a woman, regardless of her relationship.

Frum but...

"didn't i say that whoever wrote this is a mindless zombie idiot,and 95% of chareidim agree with it,my only problem was with Shmaryah for posting it."

I apologize if I misunderstood your comment.
I commented on the post in general, not necessarily to you. Your criticism of Jansci was directed to you in specific.

Do you agree with this extreme gender separation? If you do, then my comments were directed to you. It seems that you tend to defend the charedi way.

Many times I disagree with Shmarya's posting articles just because he dislikes the frum community. However, he is a blogger. He posts and writes to elicit comments and readers.

I am not an ex-Chasid or present one.

Good oldie, Sarek.

If the men interact with too many females, they might start to think of them as fully human and (oh no!) deserving of some respect instead of treating them like repositories for sperm and baby factories (with the housekeeping being the woman's payment to the men for their allowing her to live past her child bearing and rearing responsibilities. All in all, as I told my daughter, she would be better off marrying an Arab with three other wives than she would marrying into a frum family. At least then she would have company.

++Frum but normal | December 08, 2013 at 10:55 AM++

There are plenty of blogs with Catholics bashing the Catholic Church and other Catholics because of religious hypocrisy, child molesting, etc.

Just because you haven't seen those blogs does not mean they don't exist.

Thanks YL. It just jumped out at me.

Skeptical
We hurl insults at those who deserve to be insulted.
We stand behind our behaviors and don't feel the need to discuss it with a few angry deranged atheists on a tiny blog. Besides, since you already made up your mind, no reasoning will change that.
BTW 'Al Tarbeh sicha im ha'isha' was not decided by some 2013 chunra rabbi.
I do believe though in being polite and behaving like a man i.e. help lift heavy packages or a carriage, open doors etc. etc. Chassisim shotim are to be shunned.

Oops: I meant 'chumrah' rabbi.

: SkepticalYid--Do you know what this means--AL TARBE SICHA EEM HAEISHA?

It's interesting that you think Shmarya would let you slam his family as you do him, his mother, his grandfather etc.

I love how the trolls assume we're all atheists. Some of are; some of us aren't.

wool silk cotton,
Do you have a problem reading and comprehending the English language?,did I insinuate that no one criticizes or bashes the catholics,of course I didn't, I just pointed out the hypocrisy of shmaryah by asking,if he would dare to bash Catholics based on some deranged catholic idiot who wrote some graffiti on a bathroom wall,while if a deranged ignorant savage chasid scribbled some idiotic nonsense on a piece of paper,this self hating shmaryah is busy bashing forum judaism

And to think I married my wife davka because of her hot sisters (who now have hot teenage daughters). I guess I'll just have to look instead of talk.

I like how this sign cites no sources of any kind. It's halacha created out of thin air and printed by someone who, were it not for the fact that Walmart sells computers, would never own a computer.

So much for being the "People of the Book".

JekylJ-"not willing to raise a family shows a selfish person who sheds responsibility". What would you say about a person that has 10 kids and doesn't work and sucks the gov't for everything he can?
There are a lot of people that didn't have children and made a difference in society.(ex. Ed Koch, Alan Greenspan, Condoleezza Rice to name a few)
I think your brainwashing is showing.
"normal"- I personally think people that are insecure call other people "stupid".
What College did you graduate from?

Posted by: JekylJ | December 08, 2013 at 01:48 PM

Personally I couldn't care less to whom you do or don't speak . But when you and Frum but Abnormal just talk shtuss, you make all y'all look like fools.

@YL

Troll is the operative word. Wonder how long this crop will hang around?

Frum Butt -

You keep calling this place a "filthy sewer" and say that everyone hanging around here "atheists" and yet you seem to be commenting on this site more than anyone. Are you an atheist? And what are YOU doing here in this "filthy sewer?"

Of course you serve Shmarya's purpose, which is why you amuse us so much. You are a perfect example of the brainwashing, bad manners and cultish behaviors inherent in Chareidism.

But what are YOU doing here? What is your personal purpose for spending so much time here in this little "filthy sewer" of ours, as you so endearingly call it?

++++We stand behind our behaviors and don't feel the need to discuss it with a few angry deranged atheists on a tiny blog. Besides, since you already made up your mind, no reasoning will change that.++++

JekylJ -

What, then, are you doing on this website?

" As far as leading a happy life goes, it is nearly impossible to fathom the idea that a person can be happy knowing that once he shuts his eyes for good that's it; gone forever - a dead end."

Yes, it is nearly impossible for you to fathom. That's really rather the point. You guys, like your evangelical counterparts, are terrified of your own mortality, and you think everyone else feels the same way.

"JekylJ -

What, then, are you doing on this website?"

You'll never get a straight answer, ABCD. If he answers at all, he'll tell you he wants to stand up for the "truth" for people who read this blog, or that he finds it an amusing diversion, or some other lie. He'll never tell you the real truth - that he's terrified Shmarya may be right, and he comes here to lash out in an effort to drive away that nagging doubt - because he can't allow himself to face it.

Abacadabra,even the filthiest sewer needs to be cleaned out once in a while,ever hear of Roto-Rooter, LOL

Frum but normal--The filthiest sewer is non other then youre own puny mind.

Frun and jekyU The 2 quintesential golems who contradict themselfs on every blog they post here.

In Haredi-speak, "filthy sewer" means "a place where they tell the truth about our world (chos v'sholem!)".

Freedom of Speech must really drive the frumma crazy.

"..Freedom of Speech must really drive the frumma crazy...."

...and a right short trip it is, too...

Truth is deadly to them while it is cathartic to us here.

Dear Frum but normal,
I recently gave a large contribution to Footsteps. Please contact them. They will help you escape. You are obviously extremely conflicted and fighting against yourself. Hence your inability to cease from reading and commenting on this website. It's OK. There is a better way. And you don't have to stop believing in HaShem. G-d loves you but He hates cults. You are in a cult. Deep in your soul you know this. Life is good and HaShem is good and He is faithful to His own. Everything will be Ok.

Frum Butt -

So, how is that cleaning job of the "filthy sewer" working out? You think you've made any progress?

He's a cyber Ralph Cramden.

Frum Butt's hobbies include cleaning sewers, reading blogs, and pointing out to the unwary the errors of their ways.

The real reason he is here is because he is lonely, and has no one to speak to about these matters.

Frum, we feel for you.

Open your heart to us, and god will surely smile upon you, or at least give you more sewers to clean for HIM.

Or HER, as it may be.

It's only a matter of time until Caesareans are mandated so the innocent kinderlach coming into the world won't have to do so through the vehicle of a vagina, which everyone knows is the source of all tumah.

BTDT - How true! :)

frum but normal . . . i know this is of small solace to you, but i have noticed some personal but small evolutionary growth by you, It's worthy of a smile on my behalf. Not to say i agree with your almost daily baiting of Shmarya, but that you have at least defferred to an entire homogenous group such as Catholics in attempting to make your point as opposed to the usual. so good on you. There is hope.

And to think I married my wife davka because of her hot sisters (who now have hot teenage daughters). I guess I'll just have to look instead of talk.

Posted by: Office of the Chief Rabbi | December 08, 2013 at 02:20 PM
. . . you have provided me a second cause to smile today. let's hope you can infact only look. . .

Jeff:
Afraid of my mortality? Nah!
Happy that I left a nice family after I leave this land-of-make-believe.

There appears to be a name and phone number at the bottom. Who is posting these, the Shomrim?

>>Posted by: JekylJ | December 09, 2013 at 01:15 PM

Of course, like all fundamentalists, you're in complete denial.

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