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October 23, 2013

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Joel

Mental illness is such a sad thing to have. I feel especially bad for the wife of the sick individual. I hope they didn't have any children yet so maybe the wife can leave him and start a new life with another.

Jeff

Israel should completely disenfranchise these people and treat them as resident aliens. If it chooses not to do so, that should not be our problem.

Yochanan Lavie

Although I dislike the guy, hitting a 99 year old man is disgraceful.

WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed

Violent outbursts of psycho-rage are de rigueur in Frumland.

Don't they celebrate such behavior when directed at the secular?

What kind of teaching can you get from a 99 year old? And his grandson fainted during the incident? He couldn't step in to protect grandpa? It's all just too bizarre.

Barry

Joel, this is not mental illness in an individual but an act of political violence inherent of right wing radicals.

Thuggish violence is how such groups to settle internal leadership conflict.

Yosef ben Matitya

wow wow!

Yosef ben Matitya

Israel should completely disenfranchise these people and treat them as resident aliens. If it chooses not to do so, that should not be our problem.

Reb Jeff,
are you serious?
there is no doubt such a guy is deranged, and many others like him. but serious, don't they teach civics in America? but 'disenfranchise these people' ? would that be legal in America? why because they are crazy? or everything goes in Israel according you? if they do it to the arabs, they can do it with the frums too? what's that? minhag mac carthy?

jancsibacsi

Hahahaha they are getting a taste of their own medicine,i always knew violence is behind their religiocity this guy proves me right.

jancsibacsi

Violent outbursts of psycho-rage are de rigueur in Frumland.
A perfect description of their way of life i saw that first hand here in bp more then once just recently a hassidishe neighbor went bunkers because he didnt get permission to put his car in the driveway he is a tennant not the owner but still wants to have the right to block the driveway he went berzerk and threatened others they are mentally ill for sure many of them.

Jeff

>>Posted by: Yosef ben Matitya | October 23, 2013 at 07:13 AM

See Barry's and WoolSilkCotton's comments preceding yours.

bendinai

@ Barry......right. You would NEVER have political violence coming form the left wing.

bendinai

"Shteinman’s grandson, who was in the room when the attack happened, reportedly passed out, collapsing from shock." What a bunch of wimps are being raised by this community.

RWisler

Another wonderful example of the values and behavior of hareidim. I can't help remembering back to when I used to attend Avigdor Miller's Thursday night lectures and read his books about how "our" world was immune to the evils of the world. Read "Rejoice O Youth" or "Awake My Glory" and shake your head in disbelief as to how the frum world could have swallowed the lies contained therein.

Alter Kocker

This is nothing short of political factions having at one another's leadership. Save and except for this: civilized individuals will debate. Uncivilized rabble resort to physical violence. It seems that the yeshiva education compounded by social and psychological immaturity results in these poor excuses for human beings acting in a manner that befits anthropoids.

Barry

I once punched with all my strength, a man about 70 years older than me in the face. He was born in the 19th century, a decorated World War One veteran, trained as a physician in Freiburg, was a refugee from Nazism and had retired after a distinguished career.

In my defense, I was about two years old at the time and he had just stuck a needle in my bottom. My mother remembers being mortified as she picked up his glasses from the floor!

Because of such behavior, I had to wait another 16 years before I was allowed to vote.

Bendinai - Of course political violence comes also from the extreme left, however the Hareidim are right wing extremists.

Jeff

>>Read "Rejoice O Youth" or "Awake My Glory" and shake your head in disbelief as to how the frum world could have swallowed the lies contained therein.

It's the power of human denial, Robert. It's endless. If we could bottle it as a power source, we'd never run dry.

Jeff

>>@ Barry......right. You would NEVER have political violence coming form the left wing.

Yes, just last week a faction at our local Conservative shul started a gang war because the skirts of the women at the Reform temple down the street were an inch shorter than theirs. Harlots!

Yosef ben Matitya

See Barry's and WoolSilkCotton's comments preceding yours.

sorry, not sure I see the connection. were u being ironic?

jancsibacsi

RWisler -In the 60 s in the yeshiva i went to eabbi avigdor miller once in 2 weeks he came to the yeshiva to say mussar 2 or 3 classes were combined about 100 students i will never forget he rabbi miller went wild he ran over to this student pummulted him and threw him out he was so full of rage he took about 5 to 10 minutes to calm down he beat the kid up and he was in his 60 s that time maybee more this shows us what theese learned man are about the apple doesnt fall far from its tree.

Ifti99

Unfortunately, none of this surprises me. When you condone violence, you create an atmosphere of hatred. Here is an interesting post on the election:

http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2013/10/why-stay-in-bet-shemesh.html

Gevezener Chusid


The American-born Miller was indeed a ranting bigot with a "groyser, grober pisk" (big, boorish mouth).

Barry

I remember being somewhat shocked in the last presidential election when President Obama threw the 100 year old Roberta Wright McCain off the deck of the USS John S McCain into Yokosuka harbor. But then again, Rose Elizabeth Fitzgerald Kennedy was 103 when George W Bush tried to drown her in the christening font of the Basilica and Shrine of Our Lady of Perpetual Help in Boston.

So I suppose in comparison to the American goyim, the violence against a man who has yet to reach his century is not that bad.

Sarek

When you are absolutely right in the eyes of God and another person cannot recognize that, the most convincing argument you have is a right cross.

Bas Melech

Which people attack the elderly? Striking another Jew is the same as murder. In what yeshiva did the attacker learn?

The charedims biggest enemy is themselves. Sadly, the Litvish resemble the chasidish more and more.

Jeff

"I remember being somewhat shocked in the last presidential election when President Obama threw the 100 year old Roberta Wright McCain off the deck of the USS John S McCain into Yokosuka harbor."

Yes, that was disgraceful - but what can you expect from a Kenyam Muslim Socialist?

Barry

Behadrei Hareidim website has embedded a recording from Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky at which he is asked by a spiritual guide of a yeshiva what should be done with those who vote for 'Etz', the breakaway grouping. This recording was made before today's violent incident.

'Hang them on a tree' is his reply ('Etz' being Hebrew for tree).

He was then asked whether they should be removed from Yeshivos and is told to 'throw them out immediately'.

http://www.bholworld.com/Article_EN.aspx?id=60578&cat=18

ah-pee-chorus

I disagree with the headline. given the trajectory of charedism , the physical attack on a 99 year old 'gadol' with whom your rebbe disagrees is not at all shocking. It may be unprecedented but was quite predictable.
The charedi world has evolved to where every single thing on earth, be it human or not, is black and evil and worthy of death and destruction, or white and holy for which you are divinely commanded to protect it even at a cost of your life.
Shteinman just got caught in some faulty transmission from god whereby some of the guys who speak to god regularly were told shteinman is in the 'white' category while others heard god say he is 'black'. Thats it. No big deal. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Barry

There is also a report in Hebrew of the attack and its aftermath here

http://www.bhol.co.il/Article.aspx?id=60587

The google translation is quite good for non-Hebrew speakers.

The report notes that suggestions that the attaker is mentally ill were quickly denied by his acquaintances. He is a Kollel student of Rabbi Avraham Walfish of Kiryat Sefer. His neighbors talk about a serious person, with immaculate behavior. Contrary to rumors, the windows of his house or porch is not hung any election banners.

[This Avraham Walfish should not be confused with an American rabbi with the same name]

Jeff

Barry, my brother-in-law has a wall fish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WC6EbRQmJ0

Is he related to that one?

Barry

LOL! Only by marriage

jancsibacsi

" His neighbors talk about a serious person, with immaculate behavior"
His neighbors are also mentally deranged since they are also his clan or cult members so i dont take them at face value.

jimmyInBkln

Janci,
I get a kick reading your stupidity.You are such a typical Carp, the lowest form of humanity this side of the Danube.
Didn't they teach you even basic spelling?
You claim you "know" 5 languages.
What are they? Pidgin English, smattering of Yiddish curse words and street worker Hungarian? That's 3 "languages"
Can't you even add up?
Keep it up

the truth

I think it's terrible what this man has done it really is shocking, and Rabbonim have asked for teffilas and I heard a Rosh kollel
Sat on the floor opens the porouches crying ,
I'm moved, see the way the whole frum world has gone
Into disgust by this, yet abusers of children
That can and in some cases has lead to suicied
DEATH and frum kehilahs destroy and alienate
The victims, so would some one be kind enough
To in lighten me why we go crazy about this and not
Abusers that kill children

(The other) Eli

If I'm not mistaken, Jancsi came to the US when be was already an adult. English was clearly not his first language, and learning a new language at his age is not really easy. Especially learning how to write it properly. Especially if he didn't even have any access to adult ed ESL courses. Maybe keep that in mind before you start poking fun at him.

Jeff

The truth about your world terrifies you, doesn't it "Jimmy"? Your holy rebbaim have kept you at the developmental level of a child, and like a child, you act out when confronted with something you don't want to hear.

jimmyInBkln

The other Eli
Janci did not come here as an adult.
Actually it's not really his atrocious spelling and Pidgin English that disturbes me as much as infantility.He brings nothing to any of the discussions here.If you knew Carps you'd know what I mean, if you don't you've met one here and will be able to identify this sorry breed

jancsibacsi

jimmyInBkln --You forgot to write yiddish and now kenst mich kishenn in them toches.

jancsibacsi

jimmyInBkln --You have nothing else to attack me then make fun of my english, youre a looser looser.

Jeff

Here's the thing, jimmy - everyone here likes jansci. No one here likes you.

jancsibacsi

jimmyInBkln --Hey looser i have weberman relatives in fact my mothers aunt is a weberman i know them very very well about yiddish i am fluent , i wont reveAL to you here who i am but i can tell you this no one knws who the satmerers are better then i .

S M L

All this ad hominem stuff aside: no sane or emotionally well balanced decently raised and ostensibly religious person would assault a clergyman let alone a man nearly a century old, which says something either about this character's mental state or his upbringing or, probably, both.

As for the quality of the grammar and usage of anyone's posts here: We need to look past the form of the language and to consider the message's content and the significance of that content is. Jancsi's English is better than my Yiddish so get over it Jimmy, OK?

Account Deleted

More interesting, to my mind at least, is how Jimmy is a defender of the Faith yet is capable of the type of evil nastiness that would not likely be considered the behavior of an "erliche yid."

The defenders of orthodoxy who bother to share their drivel on this site always reinforce my opinion of their camp as being grotesque.

seymour

Wow no one mentioned they called the police who was the mosser

jancsibacsi

Pard-You so eloquantly describe jimmyboys character, his whole of coming here is to belittle me,but it backfires on him as you wrote
"Jimmy is a defender of the Faith yet is capable of the type of evil nastiness that would not likely be considered the behavior of an "erliche yid."
brilliant at least i have friends here who can express themselfs in such clear and honest way as you pard thanks a million and also thanks to jeff.

Jeff

Pard, the "ehrliche yid" is an urban myth. It's like Sasquatch; thousands claim it exists, but no one has ever actually seen one.

Bas Melech

jancsi

You don't have to keep defending yourself. Jimmy expresses his ignorance very well. Regular readers and most new ones appreciate your comments and know that you base them on experience and knowledge.

Jimmy can't offer an opinion without belittling those whose views differ.

Account Deleted

Jimmy,you are a useless,arrogant schwantz!
You think you are funny?You think you are G-d's gift to humanity,huh?Guess what;you are not!You are just a stupid,self-righteous imbecile who makes fun of a guy who actually suffered sexual abuse by the likes of you and your fellow cavemen whae he was a small kid!

jancsibacsi

Bas Melech--- i will do just that,you are right.

ah-pee-chorus

i know this is completely inappropriate but it did make me laugh so ....on another site someone commented,

Maybe he was trying to force him to give a GET.

sorry...i just had to...

Account Deleted

Although I dislike the guy, hitting a 99 year old man is disgraceful.

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | October 23, 2013 at 06:26 AM


DITTO !!!

jimmyInBkln

Seems that a some of the crude, vulgar posters can give and not take.
Surprised?
Not at all.
While these lowlives criticize, generalize and curse, when someone calls out the greatest imbecile of them all, they are all up in arms.
So, yes, I would never pick on a feeble minded individual like janci,IF, he had any common decency.If he did not address others with derision and scorn.
The fellow is an obsessive imbecile.Just see his infantile posts

Jeff

"So, yes, I would never pick on a feeble minded individual like janci,IF, he had any common decency.If he did not address others with derision and scorn.
The fellow is an obsessive imbecile.Just see his infantile posts"

Translation: "He holds up a mirror and forces me to see things I don't want to!"

Hal

The mida c'neged mida is obvious. The elder haredim have taught the younger to hate the world. It's only a matter of time before that comes back to you.

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