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October 29, 2013

Gerrer Hasidim Ban Soy Foods Due To Gay Sex, Child Sex Abuse Fears

Gerrer Rebbe Rabbi Yaakov Aryeh Alter 1Gur (sometimes spelled Ger or Gerrer) hasidim have found a new sex-related ban to add to their long list of similar restrictions – a ban on soy foods.

Gerrer Rebbe Rabbi Yaakov Aryeh Alter 1
The Gur rebbe, Rabbi Yaakov Aryeh Alter

Gerrer Hasidim Ban Soy Foods Due To Gay Sex, Child Sex Abuse Fears
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Gur (sometimes spelled Ger or Gerrer) hasidim have found a new sex-related ban to add to their long list of similar restrictions.

According to a report in BaOlam Shel Haredim based on a HaMevasser report, Gur has now banned soy products like veggie hot dogs from its yeshivas due rabbis’ fears that the hormones in soy foods will cause the bodies of young teen students to become feminine in appearance and thereby cause their rabbis and older students to become sexually aroused seeing them.

Eating extremely large amounts of soy products on a daily basis over a very prolonged period of time can in some cases cause men to begin to develop breasts. But the amount of soy needed to be consumed for that to happen is well beyond the amount an average person would ever consume, and even then the reaction is rare.

But Gur – which had, for example, previously banned all foreplay for married yeshiva students – is worried that soy will damage the spirituality of its yeshiva students by accelerating their sexual maturity.

It also fears its teen girls will sexually mature faster by eating soy.

Doctors and scientists find no scientific evidence to support Gur’s decision to ban what is the cheapest – and, probably, the healthiest – protein available.

The HaMevasser report:

Gur hasidim ban soy foods 10-2013

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Starting with the rebbe they are mentally defective mutants, simple as that.

Jancsi, a perfect summary in one sentence.

Hmm, Alter must be lurking on World Net Daily again.

http://friaryid.blogspot.com/2006/12/wnd-soy-makes-you-gay.html

Wow... looks like the "brain trust" was working overtime to come up with this association. Wow, just wow.

Luke.

jancsibacsi :

That is what I like, direct and to the point. :)

Luke.

I don't understand why these deviants protect a KNOWN anal-sex pervert (Mondrowitz) and are so concerned about the most obscure idiocy with regards to sexual relations.

MonseyLuke&woolsilk---that is precisely who they are defective mutations stuck in a fantasyland of their own making.

And now, with the latest news from the tiny kingdom of Nutjobbia...

Pass the soy sauce, please.

Apologies to 3 Dog Night (Joy to the world):

Gerrer Rebbe said some bullshit
Thinks that his word's divine
I never understood a single Vort he said
But I helped him a-drink his wine
And he always had some sweet kiddish wine

Chorus:
Soy makes you a girl
Peyos all unfurled
Soy in your dishes makes you a freak
Soy is trief to thee

If I were the king of the churls
Tell you what I'd do
I'd throw away the veggies and the fruits and whole grains
And make my arteries goo
Singing...

Chorus

You know he loves molesters
Let's them have their fun
He thinks I'm a freier who will burn in the fire
[But he's a]
A double dealin' son-of-a-gun
I said a double dealin' son-of-a-gun

Chorus 4x to fadeout.

jancsibacsi :

I concur my friend.

Luke.

And when did they all of a sudden develop a respect for science? I'm pretty sure the word "estrogen" doesn't appear in the Talmud.

And when did they all of a sudden develop a respect for science? I'm pretty sure the word "estrogen" doesn't appear in the Talmud.

No, but I bet appears in pasty yeshiva bchurim.

As much as I think some of the criticism of Chareidim on this site goes overboard, I don't see how to defend a ridiculous ban on soy such as this. The chareidim (especially in Israel) are going off the deep end on many of these edicts. It is sad for me to watch.

Banning soy food products without any scientific facts or consultation just goes to show the extent of blaming external factors instead of acknowledging one's own personal actions. The inability for chassidim to admit their own actions and blame it on the food they eat is just another cop-out. Isn't the halacha "adam mu'ad l'oylam" valid anymore? Doesn't anyone take responsibility for their own actions? Sheesh!

I enjoy my vegan bacon chili cheese dogs: a Tofurkey Italian Sausage with a strip of fried SmartLife veggie bacon, chopped scallions, and topped with a vegan chili made with SmartLife vegan Mexican crumbles and the Simply Organic chili spices topped with Teese Nacho sauce, just full of soybean products. Soybean & corn oil is has more plant sterols, which is a healthy thing as compared to actual meat.

Next, they'll probably ban canola oil because of the issue of its erucic acid can cause heart disease.

"The chareidim (especially in Israel) are going off the deep end on many of these edicts. It is sad for me to watch."

Prepare yourself; its only going to get worse.

"No, but I bet appears in pasty yeshiva bchurim."

Yeah, they make the kids study for twelve hours a day and don't allow them any physical activity, but they're worried about the "feminizing" influence of soy.

You can't make up this stuff.

jancsi and YL, people are wondering why I'm laughing so hard in my office...

and, seriously, sometimes these stories are so out there, that I wonder if someone visiting FM for the first time might mistake it for the Jewish equivalent of The Onion....

+++ rabbis’ fears that the hormones in soy foods will cause the bodies of young teen students to become feminine in appearance and thereby cause their rabbis and older students to become sexually aroused seeing them.+++

i think the rabbis know that a percentage of their male kids and adults are attracted to other males. god couldnt have caused it. so they latch onto a fringe study and decide that soy is the reason some of their buchrim seem more effeminate and why others (including adults) are attracted to young boys. its kind of clever.

YL, nice one.

Jeff - not only science, but suddenly they're concerned about health?

The soy theory they buy, but not the mbp where the child can get the herpes they pick and choose what science they like or not its a game by them.

Exactly what kind of sex life do these people have? No foreplay? No soy? Confusing. The only story I can relate, is years ago, my children were going to an orthodox cheder (before I grew brains and balls and told family to get their noses out of our lives). I happened to befriend a man dressed for an office job (clean suit, not black, no hat and a kippa he removed in his car, well dressed and impeccable). Most of the parents dropping off their kids were ultra-orthodox mothers. Most of them showed interest in my friend. I found out that he was divorced and he dropped his kids daily, but something else piqued my interest: once or twice a month, he'd pull his car around the corner and one of the mothers would hop in. When I questioned him, he said that he carried on trysts with these women as he was doing something their husbands were not, giving them an orgasm.

It had never occurred to me, that was normative. Gur is assuring one thing, very unhappy women that in some cases will turn against their sect and their husbands.

Sorry, but they are not too far off on this one. Soy has numerous debilitating effects on men, hormone disruption, and it takes less than you think. WHile 'growing breasts' is unlikely, other dysfunctions are much more prevalent. Despite it's 'bro-science' reputation, I would direct you to do a search on Tnation. com on 'soy' as well as read what noted biochemist Ray Peat has to say on the subject. Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day. The Gerrers aren't wrong about this.

The lingere shops in Israel can start selling Kramer's "bro" or the "manssiere".

sifter-So you think if they consume soy they are so weak as to succomb to the temptation to molest childre are you implying this,they are major molesters as we speak and mbp science they dismiss but this they buy into you tell me are they sane?.

Scott,
You are not very smart and unfortunately even though you spent years in Israel you can't even understand basic Hebrew.
The report in Hamevaser actually reads like this :"Proffesor Motty Ravid smashes the myth that eating soy products in moderation leads to early maturity in teens"

Using Chaim Shoulson, who publishes a tabloid like website full of lies and is a well known blackmailer as a "source" shows how little you know of the Chareidy world.
Scotty, you are a very angry little boy who is not very smart

Jimmy –

The idiot here is you.

If you were fully literate and not an imbecile, you would have noticed that I wrote, "Doctors and scientists find no scientific evidence to support Gur’s decision to ban what is the cheapest – and, probably, the healthiest – protein available."

Gur banned soy. Other haredim did not.

Now toddle off.

Wow, these people are nuts!

Now as for soy. "what is the cheapest – and, probably, the healthiest – protein available.", would be a fairly controversial statement. Soy is one the most heavily pesticide treated crops. Also most forms of soy on the market are processed. So even if the studies touting the benefits of soy are true, and the studies citing its potential for harm false, you would need to be eating unprocessed organic soybeans to get the full benefit from what I have read.

My favorite-

"... the hormones in soy foods will cause the bodies of young teen students to become feminine in appearance and thereby cause their rabbis and older students to become sexually aroused seeing them."

Oh my G-d, problem solved! It's not the depraved culture that fosters child sex abuse, it's legumes. I "gotta" tweet Yossi!

=)

Luke.

"Soy makes you a girl
Peyos all unfurled
Soy in your dishes makes you a freak
Soy is trief to thee"

YL:

LOL. You rock! :)

Luke.

No available protein today is tottaly good for you so soy is not much worse or better too much of anything is not good for anyone same with soy lets not get carried away about jimmyboy he is a 5 year old vindictive unthinking parasite.:))

Below is a link to one of the few new articles in favor of soy but even it ends off with this sentence: "But the guidelines do not recommend soy supplements, which tend to be highly processed and not very rigorously tested.". The article fails the address the issue of pesticides, regular processing to make tofu or genetic modification.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/27/ask-well-is-it-safe-to-eat-soy/?_r=0

"... is a 5 year old vindictive unthinking parasite.:))"

jancsibacsi:

LOL. You're on a roll today! =)

Luke.

Thanks, Luke, Sarek, and Eli.

@YL. You sir are a genius! I can't stop laughing - although the soy bean ban is funny enough.

He's right. I remember when I ate a soy burger. I developed D-cups and started hooking up with men and children left and right.

I think gluten might be cheaper than soy, but it's not nearly as popular. Not enough people are really aware of it.

Posted by: jimmyInBkln | October 29, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The ban on soy bu Gur is ludicrous! It is just more proof about how out of touch with reality these people and apparently you are.

You state "...how little you know of the Chareidy world...". There are enough of us here, including Shmarya, who know plenty about the charedi world.

Too much of the Charedi world has become a perversion of Judaism that is increasingly insular, cult like, removed from reality and self delusional, and that contributes little value to the society at large that it looks down upon while it reaps the benefits of its progress.

theyre impossible to satirize or caricaturize.
what they do and say is beyond the imagination and REAL. if i had come up with soy=feminizing boys=lusting buchrim as satire i would have rejected it as not being credible.
in all seriousness i think the rebbes behind this are certifiably insane.

"He's right. I remember when I ate a soy burger. I developed D-cups and started hooking up with men and children left and right."

(the other)Eli:

This slayed me! A real LOL, and I did. =)

Luke.

I meant to say very good, YL.

"in all seriousness i think the rebbes behind this are certifiably insane."

I could not agree more.

Luke-- I wrote here in the past that the payos is a phallic symbol now i i am conviced tottaly that it is,theese hassidim think if they behave like girls they are free from work or responsibility here in bp i see many neighbors of mine who dont work and they send their wifes working of course they get all the goodies one even told me why should i work i make more money by not working he got back 10 thousand oh his income tax from his wife working they make many of them over 100 grands a year like this all the children get medicaID why work .

jancsibacsi:

I hear you friend. I see blatant abuses in Monsey, NS and KJ. Buy a house under a LLC, rent it to yourself under Section 8, apply through Social Services for SNAP and Medicaid, and then just hang out or work off the books. The problem is all these agencies are breaking the backs of the taxpayers. All the County taxes collected in Rockland do not even cover the full cost of Medicaid. Every other County Department is paid for by other revenues, sale tax. mortgage tax, etc.

It is a disgrace when I witness the abuse. Pay for your groceries with food stamps and drive off in your $55K+ Escalade. I wish the system would change as it is not sustainable.

BTW, I love the payos -> phallic connection. :)

Luke.

What about dairy products loaded with female hormones to increase milk production?

"....I think gluten might be cheaper than soy, but it's not nearly as popular. Not enough people are really aware of it...."

Gluten's cheap but gluten-free costs a mint, believe me. Matzoh especially so.

Soy does not cause feminization in humans even at the level of consumption typical of a Chinese diet. Perhaps Haredim have a different metabolism. All that cholent; I've heard it's mutagenic.

THE TRUE REASON THAT GUR IS BANNING SOY IS BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE JOY! Since joy is outlawed so is soy and any other word that even sounds remotely similar. However boy (pedophiles) and ploy (government rip offs) are permitted....

Gluten's cheap but gluten-free costs a mint, believe me. Matzoh especially so.
Posted by: S M L  | October 29, 2013 at 03:41 PM
Yeah, I've seen some of the gluten free products. Some of it is ridiculous. Especially when they use grains which aren't uncommon, ie rice or buckwheat pasta sold as gluten free pasta (5 per small box) vs just buying it at an Asian market (2 for a large bag).

Seitan or other substitutes made from gluten protein are similar in price to soy, if not cheaper. I'm surprised it didn't catch on.

Because of their refusal to work they have way too much time on their hands which leads them to have an excessive and misdirected interest in all things "sexual".

David--Their rebbe is on top of that list way too much time he has dirty old man.

But Gur – which had, for example, previously banned all foreplay for married yeshiva students – is worried that soy will damage the spirituality of its yeshiva students by accelerating their sexual maturity.

It also fears its teen girls will sexually mature faster by eating soy.


omg
like jeff says you can't make this stuff up.
this is beyond out of hand

banned all foreplay?

slay me

Thanks Jeff, Allan.

There is a brand of soy sauce called Soy Vey. It's kosher, of course, and comes in several flavors.

the rebbe is a very smart person. he is saying this so he has another weapon to tell people not to moser. How could you moser it was the soy man the soy.

Maybe he can use this the next time a gur gets arrested for molestation and use this as a defense

+++banned all foreplay?

slay me

Posted by: ruthie | October 29, 2013 at 08:29 PM+++


Yes, it is the "jack hammer" approach to chassidic sex.

+++When I questioned him, he said that he carried on trysts with these women as he was doing something their husbands were not, giving them an orgasm.

It had never occurred to me, that was normative. Gur is assuring one thing, very unhappy women that in some cases will turn against their sect and their husbands.

Posted by: Alter Kocker | October 29, 2013 at 10:52 AM +++

Fascinating but not surprizing.

Scotty,
As I told you earlier you are not very smart.I quote you here: "
According to a report in BaOlam Shel Haredim based on a HaMevasser report".You say that the nutter Shoulsons "scoop"is based on the Hamevaser, BUT IT'S NOT!!
Dummy.
Even Shoulson himself uses the Hamevaser article to say that science says that soy in moderation is ok and NOT bad.
So you linked the Hamevaser, not understanding that it say the EXACT OPPOSITE.You are a real fool. You get your info from all kinds of sources but cannot verify any of it, because you can't understand basic Hebrew after so many years?!!
I"m "surprised" that all the "smart" posters here did not correct you, including the "linguist" Janci, who knows curse words in five languages.And Pidgin English.

Last but not least:Shoulson is a raving lunatic.His blog puts The National Enquirer and even Stormfront in shame.There is nary a word of truth in any of his "reporting", and everybody knows that.Besides Scott.

To say that you are extremely stupid, Jimmy, is itself a vast understatement.

I realize your Chabad education was wanting – as has been much of your life – but underneath all of that lies a very stupid little man.

Very unimpressive how so many of you jump to shoddy conclusion based on you prejudice saint hasidim

https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/8f7499b69c08

"There was no investigation here. “If it’s on the Internet, it must be true!” Right?

Perhaps it’s because the players in the story are hasids and homosexuality, two very tantalizing topics in the media, that over-excited journalists dispensed with the basic expected standards within their industry. Perhaps real-time tweeting and Facebook sharing have dulled our senses and we no longer care to take the few moments necessary to find out if a story is true. Chances are, a little Googling or a quick phone call will satisfy one’s curiosity."

We should keep in mind that these guys represent .3% of world Jewery - the very definition of lunatic FRINGE.

"Perhaps real-time tweeting and Facebook sharing have dulled our senses and we no longer care to take the few moments necessary to find out if a story is true."

Perhaps it wouldn't be so believable if there weren't at least several pedophilia stories per week coming out of the frum world. Perhaps if Gur wasn't notorious for its obsession with sexuality, leading it to issue chumrot that are ridiculed even by other Hasidim.

Or perhaps, if you weren't a BT and desperate to convince yourself you haven't made the wrong choice, you'd be able to view the frum world more objectively.

Scott,
Did you write that Shoulsons nonsense was "based" on the Hamevaser report???

Answer the question Scotty.
It is a yes or a no.
But you won't because you realize you are wrong and your arrogance does not allow you to do so.
You are not very smart, Scotty and very arrogant

"Very unimpressive how so many of you jump to shoddy conclusion based on you prejudice saint hasidim"

Scott, Jeff, and Janc aka "the linguist" have never readany report that is not credible about the Orthodox.As long as it's negative.
Stormfront, is to mellow for them

Sarah D –

Oh, please.

Fink's article is itself a lie. he intentionally fails to mention Shaulzon's article and Hamevaser.

Past that, he asks readers to trust his anonymous Gerrer friends.

His lies are convincing to people who don't know about Shauzon – but not anyone who read my PROPERLY SOURCED POST.

Stop lying.

jimmyInBkln –

Again, you are truly an ignoramus.

Shaulzon's point is that Hamodia – a Gur-owned paper – won't have the guts to post the information Hamevaser did because Gur banned soy, etc.

In English, Shaulzon's report is based on Hamevaser – and on Hamodia's silence.

Now toddle off and bow down to your very dead 'tzaddik.'

Shmarya, if you wanted to ban Jimmy, I doubt anyone here would complain.

Jimmy, why don't you go out to the Ohel tomorrow, prostrate yourself on the Rebbe's grave and pray for a miracle - in this case, that you stop embarrassing yourself in public?

"Shmarya, if you wanted to ban Jimmy, I doubt anyone here would complain."

Jeff
Your comfort zone is preaching to your own choir, right?
You like whenever everyone agrees with you, right?
You and your half wit sidekick Janci

"Again, you are truly an ignoramus"

Scott
You are such a skunk.Most of the time.
I happen to be fluent in Hebrew and don't try pulling the wool over your readers eyes.The Hamevaser report was brought by the equally skunky Shoulson to DISPROVE that soy is harmful not as a basis for any ban whether it happened or not.Most likely it is another of Shoulsons lies
Your ignorance and inability to admit when wrong knows no bounds .

No one would mind your disagreeing, jimmy, if you had something intelligent to contribute and if you weren't such an obnoxius little troll. Shmarya and I disagree on a few things, but I don't think he's genetically defective (as you suggested about him in the other thread).

You, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about.

"His lies are convincing to people who don't know about Shauzon – but not anyone who read my PROPERLY SOURCED POST."

Your only "source" is the notorious fabricator Shoulson.
Hamevaser says nothing.
I guess that's is what you call " PROPERLY SOURCED POST.
Nobody, not even Shoulsons mother would call him a "source"

No honest person familiar with how the haredi press operates would have written that. Yair is a nice guy and good journalist, but the haredi press is not his forte.

Scott,
You are such a lying skunk and not very smart either.
Yair Rosenberg, hopefully no relative of yours ,has reiterated what I had already said.Hamevaser does not say that Ger banned soy, in fact it brings from a professor that here is nothing wrong with soy.He also tells all that Shoulson is not a reliable source.

All three publications that published the story took it down, only Scotty did not, because he can't ever admit to being wrong.

I'm not a lying skunk. You, however, are an IMBECILE.

Now process:

Shaulzon's point is that soy is safe when normally consumed and he cites the Hamevasser report as haredi proof of that.

He then says that Gur's newspaper, Hamodia will never report that because Gur banned soy (for all the reasons I wrote).

NO ONE has brought any official proof from Gur that soy is not banned or that Shaulzon's report is false.

But people with lots of hate – like you – and small brains – like you – are too diseased and too dull to understand any of that.

As for Yair, he fails to judge Shaulzon against other haredi publications and he does not understand how haredi media – which is much more like Pravda under Stalin or Khrushchev than the Washington Post – works.

That isn't his fault – he is not haredi and never was haredi as far as I know.

You, however, are and your dishonesty and your ignorance are appalling.

Scott ,
As I"ve said many times, you are not very smart,totally ignorant of Hebrew and very dishonest, and a real anti semite.

Look at what you say here :"Shaulzon's point is that soy is safe when normally consumed and he cites the Hamevasser report as haredi proof of that.", actually what you REALLY said in the ORIGINAL post was that Shoulson BASED himself on the Hamevaser .Here is the quote: "According to a report in BaOlam Shel Haredim based on a HaMevasser report".

Now for Shaulson:You say that Yair does not know the Hareidi press.You are the one who does not know the Hareidi press, if you use Shaulson as a source.The man is a notorious liar who starts up with certain groups and then proceeds to make up absolute lies about them, he has been doing this for many, many years.It is basically impossible to sort out the tiny kernel of fact in a few of his articles from the vast majority of his lies.
Oh, how about your "murder" accusation against the Dushinsky boys?
Another of your "sources" Nuchem Rosenberg, eh?
Scott you are pathetic

Oh, please.

Shaulzon based his entire post on Mavessar's report – and on the fact, clearly stated, that Gur's newspaper won't print that information.

What I reported was accurate. What you assert is a lie.

Toddle off.

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