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July 16, 2013

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ira

fuck you satmar !

Aztecqueen2000.blogspot.com

Yiddish is a pidgin German, and one of the most profane languages in existence. It was used by secular Jews in the famous "Yiddish Theater" of the turn of the century.

R Nash

YL

ROTFL-AGMCAD
(and getting my clothes all dirty)

R Nash

It could be that they allow the words of sidur and Torah reading, but not conversing in "Ivris". There could be some great halacha implications. For instance, if a person had a slightly different nusach, would he be allowed on grounds that it is in that sidur, or is it considered "speaking Ivris" because the words are extra? If a person is speaking, but uses vocabulary from the sidur, is it holy Hebrew or Min Hebrew, since he is speaking with non-holy kavana? Are you allowed to try and resolve these issues logically, or do you require a source from previous Rabanim, rather difficult since the ban itself did not exist previously.

Taiku.

Yochanan Lavie

Thanks, guys.

Jeff

>>@Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | July 16, 2013 at 02:38 PM

>> excellent.

Seconded.

ah-pee-chorus

@Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | July 16, 2013 at 02:38 PM

excellent.

SkepticalYid

Yiddish was not founded by a maskil and eventually embraced and made popular by some of the worst Jews ever to exis.

Posted by: VoiceofLies | July 16, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Yiddish is based on a goyishe language-German. It's the language of Crusaders and Nazis. But why let facts interfere with your bulls--t?

Yochanan Lavie

The Voice of Trolls claims people like Ben Yehuda, who helped restore dignity to the Jewish people, are the worse Jews to ever exist. Worse than the Kapos? Worse than the Jewish mafia? Worse than NK, which gives aid and comfort to out genocidal enemies? Worse than Yoelie Entitled Bum, who let the Zionists save him while his followers burned, and then blamed the Zionists? Rav Kook said that Ahavat Chinam is the cure for Sinat Chinam. But I am only human, and I cannot love the Voice of Trolls and those like him.

Yochanan Lavie

If four people walk into the Satmar place speaking Hebrew, are they the arba minim?

ira

the funniest thing is to hear ashkenazi hareidim prononuce certain words in impeccable modern hebrew (when in conversation), and then a few minutes later, when davening, pronounce the exact same words with a yiddishized pronunciation !

i love it (honestly)

(The other) Eli

It has nothing to do with what was or is spoken it has to do with the origin of the language, Yiddish was not founded by a maskil and eventually embraced and made popular by some of the worst Jews ever to exis. Posted by: VoiceoftruthOf  | July 16, 2013 at 10:00 AM

This not true. The Teitelbaums, Shneur Zalman, YY Shneerson and other hassidic Rebbes fully embraced and popularized Yiddish

ira

but satmar hasidim, as do all hareidim (or almost all, with few exceptions) in israel actively speak fluent modern hebrew, with the sephardic pronunciation (just the same as all isrealis)

ah-pee-chorus

above- Sanhedrin 21b


what would happen if a child rapist like weberman was heard speaking hebrew in shul?
on one hand he must be respected and have money donated on his behalf, but on the other hand how can they welcome a good man like him who dares to violate the community's morals by speaking hebrew?

this is why we need 2 satmar gedolim. its a difficult shayla.

ah-pee-chorus

the gemara says the torah was re-given to ezra in assyrian script and aramaic language.

Bas Melech

YL-
Shouldn't they be speaking Aramaic instead of Yiddish for authenticity?

Yochanan Lavie

Voice of Trolls: Many Maskilim, Bundists, Jewish Communists, and secular writers embraced Yiddish as the national language of the Ashkenazic branch of the Jewish people. They too, modernized Yiddish, just like EBY modernized Hebrew. Maybe your kind should speak Polish or Hungarian.

Alter Kocker

And once again, Oh Lord, I must ask you - when you were designing the Haredim, why did you, in your infinite wisdom, see fit to leave out the irony gene?

Yes Jeff:
And one further thing, he saw fit to connect the large intestine to the skull cavity, and replace the intended contents with the contents of that intestine.

Bas Melech

VoT-
It is interesting that you don't mention the more important reason for not speaking Ivrit daily. If we speak it, it loses its importance a s the holy language. But, actually there is a difference between modern Hebre and Lashon HaKodesh in pronunciation and vocabulary. Those critics of speaking Hebrew daily and making mundane realized that Lashon Hakodesh has a place in settings devoted to Torah.

Jeff

"Yiddish was not founded by a maskil and eventually embraced and made popular by some of the worst Jews ever to exis."

And once again, Oh Lord, I must ask you - when you were designing the Haredim, why did you, in your infinite wisdom, see fit to leave out the irony gene?

Dr. Dave

Who are you or anyone else to decide who "the worst Jews to exist" are ?

On Tisha B'Av no less!

Its not i-phones holding up the geulah!!!!

VoiceoftruthOf

@seymour, reuven
It has nothing to do with what was or is spoken it has to do with the origin of the language, Yiddish was not founded by a maskil and eventually embraced and made popular by some of the worst Jews ever to exis.

Reuven

Riiiiight.... Because our forefathers spoke Yiddish

logic=fail

seymour

but yiddish is ok a mix of german and polish

VoiceoftruthOf

@bas melech
Huh? Ur point is?

Bas Melech

VoT-
Why is it that 25 years ago children in Mea Shearim refused to answer visitors in Hebrew, but now they do?

soso

The irony is that they say hebrew is tame... they insult their own holy language...

they could say it is to holy to be spoken as a vernacular... but no, they chose to say it is tame...

VoiceoftruthOf

@Seymour, Ira
The sign is written in Hebrew (לשון קודש) not עברית.modern day עברית is not regarded as holy in the least bit as it was originally created by a maskil named Eliezer Ben-Yehuda who founded it based on the Biblical Hebrew and tweaked it to fit with then modern times.

Yochanan Lavie

"Sinat chinam for $500, Alex?"

seymour

Are they going to start davening in yiddish now?

ira

Is the irony not lost on them that the request is written in Hebrew !

rebitzman - $101 to read my posts

And screams of joy rang out among the children........

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