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July 05, 2013

Rubashkin Son Says Family Was Shocked Father Was Convicted, Hold's Up Felon Father As Role Model For All Jews

Rubashkin closeup blue-white"Just over three and a half years ago, the friends and family of Sholom Rubashkin gathered in a courtroom in South Dakota to hear the verdict in his federal trial. Believe me when I tell you that we were expecting a complete vindication. Instead, we sat numbly for an eternity as the jury ruled “guilty” 86 times.…"

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Sholom Rubashkin

Getzel Rubashkin is a son of former Agriprocessors' VP Sholom Rubashkin, who was convicted on 86 bank fraud related counts and is now serving a 27-year prison sentence. Sholom Rubashkin standard appeals have all failed, and the US Supreme Court has refused to hear his case. Getzel Rubashkin reportedly delivered the following brief talk at the recent teleconference organized by Rubashkin's legal defense fund:

My dear brothers and sisters, thank you for joining us tonight.

Just over three and a half years ago, the friends and family of Sholom Rubashkin gathered in a courtroom in South Dakota to hear the verdict in his federal trial. Believe me when I tell you that we were expecting a complete vindication. Instead, we sat numbly for an eternity as the jury ruled “guilty” 86 times.

My sister turned to me and asked, “Do you think they’ll arrest him right away?” I said no. Remember, this was a time when news outlets were gleefully calculating how many hundreds of years a guilty verdict would mean. I could not fathom the depths of cruelty that would deny a husband and father a few days with his family before putting him in a cage for the rest of his life.

Almost before the jury finished reciting their verdict, the prosecutor was on his feet insisting my father be immediately imprisoned. He was taken from that room in handcuffs by his jailers.

As we sat in the family van for the long ride back to Iowa, my head and heart spinning. I struggled with how to react to this catastrophe.

My thoughts turned to my father. I thought of his unshakeable faith. I thought of his sad but defiant smile, and the shouted words of encouragement as he was taken from that courtroom. I turned to my father, and I saw a man who had turned to his Father, to our Father.

He recognized that everything that was happening was Hashem’s will. He was not at the mercy of any system or power, but in the Hands of a loving Father. He trusted his Father and he didn’t despair. And that comforted me. His strength comforted me. If he was unshaken, I was unshaken.

It is not only sympathy or outrage that has made him a household name in Jewish homes across the world. It is the inspiration and encouragement he radiates.

We are scattered across the globe, facing physical threats we have so often faced before, and spiritual threats we have never faced before. Against the backdrop of these dramatic national crises, we each have our own challenges, our own personal crises.

In our moments of confusion, we can turn to my father and learn how a Yid should react in moments of crisis by turning to our father, to Hakadosh Boruch Hu. In this way, we can regain our balance, our clarity, and the internal peace and strength to rise above our crisis.

The Rayatz, Rav Yosef Yitzchok of Lubavitch, who was imprisoned and exiled in Communist Russia, stood on the train platform on his way to a far-flung town where he was to be exiled and addressed the crowd of Chassidim who had come to see him off.

In the presence of his Soviet captors, he insisted that while our bodies were sent into golus to be ruled over by the nations of the world, our neshamos remained free. No one can disrupt our connection to Hashem or interfere with our devotion to Him.

My father is truly in a golus betoch golus, exile within a deeper exile. Our limited time will not allow me to paint the full picture of the physical hardships and isolation he endures, so let me instead tell you one small story.

My brother Moishy was also visiting my father when I was last there. Moishy is 20 years old and autistic. He has difficulty communicating, but he has a powerful loving connection with my father that he tries to express when he goes for a visit at the prison.

I was sitting next to my father and talking when Moishy blurted out, “Love Tatty kisses!” I jumped up to give him my place, and he sat down next to my father. Beaming, he began listing all the things he had recently done that he thought my father would be proud of: “Tefillin! Slept! Washed dishes!” he rattled off, smiling from ear to ear as my father showered him with kisses.

One of the guards called out, “Rubashkin!” and sternly motioned for my father to come over.

When my father returned, he told us why he had been summoned. He had broken the rules by kissing his son more than once. “The rule,” the guard informed him, “is one appropriate kiss.”

Despite the imprisonment of his body and being torn from his loved ones, we see the awesome freedom of my father’s neshamah. His stubborn emunah, his unshakeable simcha and love of Hashem, his uncompromising dedication to Hashem. Behind steel fences and barbed wire, in a seven-foot cell, he is a true ben chorin, a free man.

The Baal HaTanya tells us that when we rise above our nisyonos, our crises, they have served their purpose and they are resolved. We will hear good news and we will all celebrate together. It is up to us to do everything we can to make this joyous occasion happen even sooner.

In my moment of confusion, I turned to my father and drew strength from his example. Let us together learn from his example and together turn to our father, Hakadosh Boruch Hu, and make an appeal to the true Supreme Court.

In the federal system, people convicted of crimes that call for decades-long sentences are almost never allowed to remain free on bond until the actual sentencing takes place. Those who are allowed to remain free on bond are almost always cooperating witnesses for the government and have pleaded guilty. Sholom Rubashkin was the opposite of a cooperating witness. He destroyed or secreted  evidence, obstructed justice and refused to cooperate with federal or state authorities in any way. And he did not plead guilty. Instead, he was convicted on massive evidence that proved well beyond reasonable doubt that Rubashkin laundered money through Jewish charities he controlled to trick his lenders, who suffered more than $26 million in losses as a result.

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As Role Model For All Jews ???
I wouldn't go that far!
Role model? maybe among the minim. Not recommended for Jews.

Rubashkin:
your father sits in jail for lots of reasons..
other then stealing huge sums of money from banks...
HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT CHILDREN WORKING FOR HIM GETTING AN EDUCATION...NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCED TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR PARENTS MEAGER EARNINGS.
AND THE WOMEN RAPED IN YOUR BACK ROOMS...
just for these women i hope your father rots in jail and i hope your family stops thinking they are royalty in monsey and accepting money as charity from baal tshuvas who are trying so hard to show everyone how religious they are.
don't tell me you don't have money stashed away you piece of shit.

OK,they didn't understand why he was convicted. I bet they also claim that hurricanes and earthquakes are God's vengeance on us for whatever they're against at the moment.

And they don't connect the two.

"HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT CHILDREN WORKING FOR HIM GETTING AN EDUCATION...NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCED TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR PARENTS MEAGER EARNINGS.
AND THE WOMEN RAPED IN YOUR BACK ROOMS..."

@ruthie, what you just quoted is called slander and vilification, Sholom Rubashkin was never convicted for such a crime, in fact the opposite is true which showed very clearly at the other trial where the employees testified that families did everything possible to lie about their ages to get jobs at Agriproccesors.

How very wonderful the mindset of this family. Yes, he is your father, but no paragon of virtue. I understand that your branch of our religion makes it permissible to steal from non-jews and to treat non-jews as cattle. He was responsible for child-labor. He took money from banks with no intention of repayment. He imported workers with no intention of paying them a legally mandated wage. His actions speak volumes about his intentions and his intentions were to line his pockets.If there was evidence that would have vindicated him, where was it? He is not a sacrificial lamb, he is a convicted felon. No matter how you dress this up, he did wrong, he was convicted and sentenced and no matter how you believe that this violates your particular brand of halacha, the truth is that he will be in prison and you cannot politicize it and you cannot twist it into some perceived anti-semitic plot.

jason,
the children lied about their ages to get jobs BECAUSE they had to
supplement their parents income.
and what hispanic woman is going to come to court and say she was raped in the back room?

c'mon.
everything i wrote is the truth.

jason,
you're one of the rubashkin supporters.
shut up already.
seriously.

I take no joy at all in seeing SMR sitting in jail. It is a sad tragedy, the way it happened, the way the arrogance built until they convinced themselves that they would never be caught, never be punished, weren't even doing anything wrong, were so much smarter than the "goyim", the way it was and is used by his lawyers to enrich themselves, the way an entire town was umkern, and the huge black eye to Judasim in general, and the near total discrediting of Chabad in particular. I wish the law had not been changed and he had quietly gotten 5 years. And he could be role model, by convincing kids that the law and the welfare of other people, even ch"vsh goyim, do matter.

The perversion of this idea, http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2258317/jewish/The-Danger-of-Suspicion.htm, linked just this week by Chabad's official website, that a Jew should be beyond suspicion in his actions, has morphed into a rationalization that no Jew can ever be suspected of any wrongdoing, even if he is clearly violating the law. About this the gemorah (Mes Shavuot) states, "there is no criminal whose family is not also criminal, because they defend him." Hard to blame the Rubashkin family in this case, and I feel for them, for many reasons. But others need to take a lesson from adat Korach and get away.

Jason (or is it really Getzel?) –

Stop with your BS.

The FACTS are that Agriprocessors paid undocumented workers about $5 per hour, shorted their checks and denied them their rightful overtime pay.

The FACT is that when Agriprocessors paid documented workers about $7 per hour, other meat plants in the region paid almost $10 per hour. (Agriprocessors also shorted their checks and cheated them out of overtime, as well.)

The FACT is that women were sexually abused and raped inside Agriprocessors by (non-Jewish) supervisors.

Agriprocessors mistreated and abused its workers. This has been testified to in court and documented. That Sholom Rubashkin was charged with and convicted of financial crimes that bear a much more severe penalty (sadly) than stealing from and abusing poor workers is immaterial.

And, as I've reported before and told you, in federal trials, a judge can sentence a convicted felon for crimes that were not charged and well as for what he was convicted of, as long as those uncharged crimes relate to that case in some way.

In fact, the judge who convicted and sentenced Sholom Rubashkin specifically cited that in her sentencing memorandum and reserved the right to do so if the sentence was returned to her by an appeals court for resentencing. She also sentenced Rubashkin to two years for perjuring himself in court in front of her – a crime Rubashkin also was not "charged with."

Your constant lies and whining will not change those facts.

Being Rubashkin is never having to say you're sorry.

@shmarya,
The FACT is sholom rubashkin is sitting in jail for 27 years is ONLY because he was convicted by a jury of his peers for committing bank fraud, did not pay the cattle dealers ontime.

jason,
does this last post of yours make you feel better?
do you feel better now?
the fact is HE IS SITTING IN JAIL FOR 27 YEARS...
if you like jason, call the kettle black.
call it whatever you like.

Sholom Rubashkin has made it abundantly clear that he remains a danger to society. If he were to be released, he would go right back to cheating, swindling, and stealing. He shows no remorse and admits to no wrongdoing.
It is imperative that he remains in prison for the full 27 years. Anything less would endanger society.

Message to all other frumma: if you also decide to lie, cheat, and steal, you just might end up in prison serving 27 years.

@Ruthie,

I'm glad you now agree with the FACTS and I opend your eyes to facts, that Sholom Rubashkin was sentenced to 27 years for financial fraud and not for the reasons you quoted, you owe an apology to those who you have slandered and vilified online.

Thank You,

Jason

Getzel has become quite the writer. I don't agree with a lot that he said, but he did say it well. He used to post here - under his own name. I don't see him using an assumed one to come back.

Jason –

No, you're wrong – and I believe you know it.

The facts are as I stated them in my comment above, and I as I wrote there, your whining and lies can't change them.

rebitzman –

Don't be too sure about that. Getzel sockpuppeted here (and elsewhere) before this:

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2008/10/breaking-getzel.html?cid=133478839

If you look, you'll see that you yourself commented on this post.

Among the many reasons for SMR's conviction was Getzel's big fat mouth.
He couldn't stop blabbing to the media, both in person and via the internet. The lawyers finally had to shut him up.

I saw the father the other day on the 14th aven. shop he looked very happy to me he cares more about the money then his son being in jail for 27 years, he moves around like a young kid in my oppinion the whole family are a bunch of fools shameless fools,the joke is on them.

Am I supposed to laugh or feel outraged at how audacious the Rubashkin family is?

"I could not fathom the depths of cruelty that would deny a husband and father a few days with his family before putting him in a cage [...]"

In a cage? I think you are conflating real life with "Planet of the Apes" (1968). In that movie, George Taylor was put into a cage by the apes. Meanwhile, on planet reality, we put humans who have committed crimes into cells (i.e. a small room), not cages.

@Ruthie,

I'm glad you now agree with the FACTS and I opend your eyes to facts, that Sholom Rubashkin was sentenced to 27 years for financial fraud and not for the reasons you quoted, you owe an apology to those who you have slandered and vilified online.

Thank You,

Jason
Jason,
i was being uber sarcastic.
he didn't allow children to attend school. they HAD to work to supplement their parents income.
women were raped in the back offices...or back rooms...
OPEN YOUR EYES.
rubie is a piece of shit and you are stupid.
i wish you a nice shabbos.

"He didn't allow children to attend school"
Lol that's a new one :)


"women were raped in the back offices...or back rooms..."

UMMMMM Please make up your mind in the back offices or the rooms??!!!!:)

jason,
you piece of shit.
does it really matter which room.
i say back rooms...
and the children couldn't go to school because they had to help support the family...rent...food..clothing...
this is the last time i respond to someone as stupid as you.

for you jason,
read it...again...because you're so stupid it's painful.
Rubashkin:
your father sits in jail for lots of reasons..
other then stealing huge sums of money from banks...
HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT CHILDREN WORKING FOR HIM GETTING AN EDUCATION...NOT BEING ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCED TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR PARENTS MEAGER EARNINGS.
AND THE WOMEN RAPED IN YOUR BACK ROOMS...
just for these women i hope your father rots in jail and i hope your family stops thinking they are royalty in monsey and accepting money as charity from baal tshuvas who are trying so hard to show everyone how religious they are.
don't tell me you don't have money stashed away you piece of shit.

also for you jason...because you're so stupid...
Jason (or is it really Getzel?) –

Stop with your BS.

The FACTS are that Agriprocessors paid undocumented workers about $5 per hour, shorted their checks and denied them their rightful overtime pay.

The FACT is that when Agriprocessors paid documented workers about $7 per hour, other meat plants in the region paid almost $10 per hour. (Agriprocessors also shorted their checks and cheated them out of overtime, as well.)

The FACT is that women were sexually abused and raped inside Agriprocessors by (non-Jewish) supervisors.

Agriprocessors mistreated and abused its workers. This has been testified to in court and documented. That Sholom Rubashkin was charged with and convicted of financial crimes that bear a much more severe penalty (sadly) than stealing from and abusing poor workers is immaterial.

And, as I've reported before and told you, in federal trials, a judge can sentence a convicted felon for crimes that were not charged and well as for what he was convicted of, as long as those uncharged crimes relate to that case in some way.

In fact, the judge who convicted and sentenced Sholom Rubashkin specifically cited that in her sentencing memorandum and reserved the right to do so if the sentence was returned to her by an appeals court for resentencing. She also sentenced Rubashkin to two years for perjuring himself in court in front of her – a crime Rubashkin also was not "charged with."

Your constant lies and whining will not change those facts.

actually i just had a thought.
the guy is still stealing left and right.
there is no doubt...none whatsoever that he did not put money away..put money away and hid money...
is it in brooklyn, israel, switzerland or the cayman islands?
is it buried in some bungalow colony upstate? is it in back of the freezer in his dad's shop in crown heights???
it it under the mattresses of his extended family?
but still....they beg for money.
what a bunch of .....)(*&^%$#

@ruthie
UMMMMM Please make up your mind in the back offices or the back rooms??!!!!:)

Since you have information that the police, district attorney and government officials DO NOT have, and I'm very eager in support of your newly found claims maybe it is a good idea to track you down, so you can be assisted in reporting your evidence to the police and district attorney, seems that you know that the rapes occured in the back offices or the back rooms which the police or DA don't know about.

Are you done with copy and pasting and will you still be calling me names like stupid?! Lol

getzel ruBASH-him lives in a world of his own . the world of 'moshiah'. a world that does not exist , except in his mind .
( u know who live in their own world , the nuts )

getzel must be happy it's only 27 years .
at least , he could see his dad free at 87 years old . sholom ruBASH-him must have gotten 27 more years from the first trial , which would have came up to 54 years . so, 27 years is fine !
sholom ruBASH-him should be lucky the first trial was dismissed in his favor .

S R , a scumbag like him, who made children work long hours to pay them nothing should be shot and die of slow painful death . in addition, a bastard like S R who removed medical benefits from his hard working employees and let them die bc they could not afford medical care and treatment should have been convicted to the death penalty . I want to see sholom ruBASH-him sick inflicted by a terminal disease AND BE ALLOWED TREATMENT for his terminal medical condition and die after months of sufferings . this sholom euBASH-him is an animal . 27 years rotting in jail is a blessing . he should thank G-d for that every single day and consider himself lucky .

p.s - correction I meant AND NOT BE ALLOWED TREATMENT .............

Jason,

You're a fool.

The backroom sexual assaults were reported in newspapers – and here – in 2008 and 2009.

And Agriprocessors did have several dozen underage undocumented workers working on the overnight shift. That is not disputed. Sholom Rubashkin's defense was that he personally did not know they were underage.

And as I've written many times before, if the Iowa state Judge had allowed the federal "no-match" letters – letters showing hundreds of Agriprocessors workers did not have valid social security numbers (that Sholom Rubashkin did not answer for more than six months, prompting his immigration attorney to warn him that he was ignoring the advice he was given by the attorney and that Agriprocessors could easily be prosecuted) – to be entered into evidence, Rubashkin clearly would have been convicted.

So stop your BS – and stop harassing Ruthie.

First, let me state, I do not wish jail to any Jew unless he is an ongoing physical threat to society.

That being said I have two questions?

1 - Why did he not take the deal offered to him (that Rabbi Hecht advised him to take)? It is an ongoing lie that he was not offered a deal. Turning down a deal is a surefire was to piss off a judge.

2 - Did he not take the deal because he went to the Rebbe's grave (or to the Rebbe himself if one believes the Rebbe is alive...and who am I to state otherwise), and saw/heard/read that he would be found not guilty? I suppose that is the real story here; a "miracle" we would have all heard about ad nauseum.

@bendinai-

1. Turning down a deal does not "piss off" a Judge. During the time I did criminal defense, I had defendents turn down deals, and it does not "piss off" a Judge.

2. Not having followed the case closely, I can't say with any certainty why he did turn down the deal; frankly, the only person who can EVER say that is the Defendant himself, and I doubt this one is going to honestly say why he turned the deal down. Sometimes, Defendants actually believe 1) they have really not done anything wrong, or that 2) they have done something wrong, but they have a "hell-with-it" attitude and say "I'll take whatever the jury gives me". 3) Sometimes they get poor legal advice- a lawyer convinces a client that the case is winnable and the client believes the lawyer. 4) Sometimes they get good legal advice- the lawyer tells them to "take the deal" but the client is so convinced in his own mind that he's not going to be convicted, that he does not follow his lawyer's advice.

Again, the only person who knows why he didn't take the deal is the Defendant himself.

Jason, tell your family to remove my phone # from the robocalls I still receive several times a week. I would never donate to any Haredi cause. EVER

Dear Mr. Rubashkin:

I wish you a very long life so that each day that you wake up, all you see is iron bars.

Yes sir!. You are very lucky indeed! You have free health care. At least you will not suffer death and torment like that lady that you cheated out of her health care payment so that she was facing death w/o health care.

I realize that you feel screwed. I can well imagine how some Southern slave plantation owner felt when General Sherman , in his 'March to the Sea' ordered your plantation to be set on fire and your 'workers' set free. I do not believe in reincarnation BUT if it is true, perhaps your past life was a slave owner or perhaps even a xxxx.

Have a nice life

Isa

Ruthie has a history of saying vile disgusting lies.For example she claims, based on nothing, that the vast majority of jws in monsey commit fraud.
How can such an evil person be taken seriously?

In her evil book, a son,who defends his father, is called a piece of s**t.Does this shrew expect a son, not to try and help his father?
I can just imagine how she treats her father.
I don't believe she is Jewish

You're not very bright, are you, "Jimmy"?

"Jason, tell your family to remove my phone # from the robocalls I still receive several times a week. I would never donate to any Haredi cause. EVER"

I"ll give your number to Stormfront, the American Nazi group, I feel quite certain that you'd donate .Stormfront, like you, hates jews.

Jason,

I do not recall one court decision by where senior Rubaskin employees where found not guilty for hiring children, or even a judges ruling that that truth full facts that they did everything possible to verify ages. It's relatively easy to verify children's ages past or present school records or medical records. What I do remember but could be wrong is that they or other people in the community whom Rubashkin knew were actually helping with false ID's.

As I said if I am wrong please provide court documents which show factual rulings, not just suspicions or allegations and non-Jewish newspaper non-ideological such as the Des Moines Register or Cedar Rapids Gazette that quotes a judge or jury supporting your allegations.

I don't doubt that some parents would lie about kids ages just as they lie about their citizenship; but the Rubashkin people involved had to mental imbeciles if they did not suspect it too. Yes ethical business men would have taken steps whether or not required by law to aggressively check for the benefit of the children.

We do though know how unethical and how dishonest Reb Shlomo was, and that message would have been picked up by senior managers as the way of doing business unless as I said they were mental imbeciles.

Would you be saying that Reb Shlomo R. the GANAV could not tell the difference between imbeciles and non imbeciles when he hired them. It takes brains to be a successful GANAV for years before getting caught.

If you want people to believe you you need to have evidence of the facts you are claiming not just allegations that they exist or you believe that they exist.

To Jimmy in BKLYN. I grew up in the orthodox community and studied for 17 years in day schools and Yeshivas. Ilived my entire life up to the age of 25 in New York, I lived for a close to a year in Borough Park and for over 6 years in Israel.

The last Jewish businessman I would trust in advance as being honest would be Chassidim. Second in line would be Chareidim in General, and third in line would be Israelis.

I am not saying that they are all dishonest or even the majority are dishonest. The prevalence of dishonesty is though common. They brought it from Europe where Jews often had to be dishonest with the non-Jew in order to survive and they got good at it. But unlike Jews in the west many have been unable to get rid of the habit and have transferred it here and in Israel against their fellow Jews and others.

I know that this sounds like traditional anti semitism but where there is some smoke there usually is some fire. Having experience it more often then I would like too I can not be blind to it. It is simply more moreh heter and long time habit.

Ask any Russian Jew what business was like in the former Soviet Union. I visited Russia, Rumania, Chezcislovakia and East Berlin. Corruption was rampant. Some places more than others. It was practiced all around and not necessarily by Jews alone. Some Jews just excelled at it just as we as a community tend to excel at most things we take on.

Take a look at Jack Abramoff. Wass he the only dishonest lobbyist? Of course not, but he set his mind to at being the best dishonest lobbyist that he could be. He excelled at it. Are all Chareidim, Chassidim and Israelis dishonest. Of course not. Large numbers are and they excel at it.

Call me self hating Jew if that is the only way some can deal with it. I consider it ahavat yisrael calling on those who are guilty to stop sinning and for those in these communities to stop turning your eyes away for your own benefit and the benefit of all other Jews who are repulsed by it and who see real anti semites labeling all of us with the crimes of those in certain of our communities who prefer to deny it or look the other way.

I do not know of any Lubavitch who did not try to defend Rubashkin rather than condemn him. I am sure there were those who would have liked to condemn him but preferred to look away or only whisper their views.

I for one just did hear them over the din of denials, celebrative dancing and shouts of antisemitism.

To quote a non Jewish saying:
Pigs get fed, while Hogs get slaughtered.

The three groups I do not automatically trust to be honest until the particular individual proves to me to be trustworthy are the unfortunate victims of the pigs and hogs amongst them. L'havdil their community feeds and honors too many pigs and does not slaughter enough of their hogs.

Denial of the existence of the hogs and pigs unfortunately only encourages this behavior and the generalized distrust that follows.

@constipated,

A jury of Sholom Rubashkins peers have found the man NOT guilty to exactly to your claims, I trust the jury of his peers and not you.

"You're not very bright, are you, "Jimmy"?"
No.
Do you only allow "very bright" people to post here?

Shmarya
Just curious, what"s your opinion on a family member defending and trying to help another family member accused of a crime?
Would you for example call that person "a piece of s**t"?
If I"m not mistaken, you defended a family member who was convicted (and accused of a mafia role...)
I fully understand family members trying to defend a father or at least help him get a shorter sentence.Especially if we are not talking about a murderer.
I understand them, it does not mean they are right, but anyone calling them a piece of s**t, show an inability to understand the love and empathy some people have for their family

Constipated,
I really did not opine on Rubashkin or if some chareidim are not dishonest.
All I said that the monster witch ruthie , accusing the vast majority of Monsey jws of committing fraud is an anti semite.
It is concerning that you'd allow yourself to make anti semitic generalizations, though.
In my opinion Rubashkin broke the law and deserved a prison sentence.27 years is excessive.Way to much.But to me, it's very telling that the anti semites posting here still want more, still won't leave the guy alone, still post nonsensical claims against his family.That is evil and very low.To hit a man when he is down is what an evil coward does


"@constipated,

A jury of Sholom Rubashkins peers have found the man NOT guilty to exactly to your claims, I trust the jury of his peers and not you.

Posted by: Jason | July 07, 2013 at 12:37 AM "

That's only half true, as I pointed out above – and as you clearly know.

Sholom Rubashkin knowingly hired thousands of undocumented workers, stole from them, cheated them and abused them.

There is no question that some of those workers were underage, and that many of them – again, as I clearly noted above – worked the overnight shift at Agriprocessors.

Iowa state law used to be written in a way that an incompetent judge could instruct a jury that the manager/CEO of such a company would only be responsible for that is he personally knew a particular worker was underage – meaning the state had to prove that the manager/CEO knew each employees' name or specific identifying factors and that that particular employee definitely was underage – a standard well beyond the law's intent and the well beyond the laws in other states.

After the judge barred all the federal documentation that proved that Sholom Rubashkin personally knew that hundreds of his current employees were undocumented and had presented Agriprocessors (or had been helped to obtain by Agriprocessors) false IDs and Social Security numbers – a horrific blunder – his jury instruction was incorrect, as well, making the error I just described in the paragraph above this.

After the verdict, the State of Iowa rewrote the law to make this type of judicial incompetence much less likely. Under that version of the law, Sholom Rubashkin would almost certainly been found guilty.

Nonetheless, that Agriprocessors employed about 750 undocumented workers (out of about 1000 total workers) at the time of the raid, and that Sholom Rubashkin was personally aware of this is a fact. His own attorney warned him about the dangers of this in writing before the raid, and that letter was entered into evidence at his federal trial, along with a lot of other evidence that proved his guilt.

To claim as you do that Rubashkin was never charged or was never found guilty is simply a form of lying. As you well know, part of his federal conviction rested on the proof that those workers were undocumented and that Rubashkin knew it.

Sholom Rubashkin stole the wages of poor workers. He stole their overtime. He paid them less than what was legal. He cheated them, he cheated suppliers, and he cheated lenders.

Those are facts, Getzel (or Jason, or whatever your name is), and your whining and your lies can't change that.

"Just curious, what"s your opinion on a family member defending and trying to help another family member accused of a crime?
Would you for example call that person "a piece of s**t"?
If I"m not mistaken, you defended a family member who was convicted (and accused of a mafia role...)
I fully understand family members trying to defend a father or at least help him get a shorter sentence.Especially if we are not talking about a murderer.
I understand them, it does not mean they are right, but anyone calling them a piece of s**t, show an inability to understand the love and empathy some people have for their family

Posted by: jimmyInBkln | July 07, 2013 at 12:52 AM "

If the family member is defending his convicted father by lying and cheating, then calling him a piec eof shit would be accurate.

"If the family member is defending his convicted father by lying and cheating, then calling him a piec eof shit would be accurate."

You defended your grandad who was a mafia don and criminal

Jimmy, didn't your ancestors help kill Jesus Christ?

I fully understand family members trying to defend a father or at least help him get a shorter sentence.Especially if we are not talking about a murderer. I understand them, it does not mean they are right, but anyone calling them a piece of s**t, show an inability to understand the love and empathy some people have for their family Posted by: jimmyInBkln  | July 07, 2013 at 12:52 AM
There's nothing wrong with defending a family member. There IS something wrong with calling them an inspiration, or attacking our justice system for not giving them special privileges.
Would have been hilarious if his son said "tefillin! Federal crimes! Abused goyim! Communion at 770!"

So many members of the Rubashkin Crime Family are criminals.
How can we keep track of them all?
Balkany, Weiss, Moshe Rubashkin, the other Sholom Rubashkin, Aron Rubashkin.
So many Rubashkin Family criminals, so little time.

"If the family member is defending his convicted father by lying and cheating, then calling him a piec eof shit would be accurate."

You defended your grandad who was a mafia don and criminal

Posted by: jimmyInBkln | July 07, 2013 at 02:55 PM

Idiot.

Not by saying he was innocent when he was not, not by lying, not by cheating.

And he wasn't a "mafia don," even according the book you inaccurately base your idiotic remarks on.

When God passed out the stupid, Jimmy, he gave you a few extra shares.

Purportedly, Rosenberg's mother, Helen Mae Rosenberg née Gleckman,[5] was the daughter of Leon Gleckman, a bootlegger known as the "Al Capone of St. Paul".

SOURCE:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmarya_Rosenberg

Paul MacCabee
13 Rezensionen
Minnesota Historical Society Press, 01.01.1995 - 362 Seiten
"Paul Maccabee's John Dillinger Slept Here is not just one of the best books ever written about Minneapolis-St. Paul, it is one of the best books of local history I have ever read -- about any city anywhere on Earth. While writing Public Enemies' I kept it on my desk at all times. I daresay one cannot call himself a real Minnesotan if you haven't read it. The book is just that darned good."
--Bryan Burrough, author of Public Enemies: America's Greatest Crime Wave and Birth of the FBI, 1933-34,the basis for Public Enemies, the movie starring Johnny Depp

This book is based on more than 100,000 pages of FBI files and wiretaps, prison and police records, and mob confessions. Interviews with 250 crime victims, policemen, gun molls, and family members of criminals bring these public enemies to life. Crime historian Paul Maccabee takes you inside the bank robberies, gangland assassinations, and police intrigue of St. Paul's 1920s and1930s gangster era. You'll also find Crooks' Tour maps and more than 130 rare FBI, police, and family photographs.

http://books.google.ch/books?id=2dJoEr_lAS0C&hl=de&pg=PA42#v=onepage&q&f=false

Finally in 1934 the FBI was able to catch up with Gleckman. They decided to try and end the criminal career of Gleckman the same way as it ended it for Capone – for the most part. He went to trial on November 12, 1934, and was tried and convicted of tax evasion charges for failing to report a significant amount of his earnings from 1929 – 1931. His claimed income didn’t match his bank records and he was on his way to jail. While Gleckman was careful enough to make sure that the bank’s ledgers were destroyed, he didn’t destroy the deposit slips. This error in judgment would be his undoing and a jury of his peers found him guilty seventeen days after the trial started on November 28, 1934. He was sent back to Leavenworth and served a one year sentence for concealing nearly $370,000 dollars.


http://www.streetsofsaintpaul.com/2011/12/prohibition-and-leon-gleckman.html?m=1#!

Jason (i.e., Getzel Rubashkin) –

That's what happens when you're too stupid to read the original source, which actually says something very different from what you illiterately claim.

He was the "Al Capone" of St. Paul because a federal agent compared his control of the illegal liquor business in St. Paul to Al Capone's control over the illegal liquor business in Chicago – NOT to any violence Capone did or Mafia ties Capone had.

At no time did I argue that my grandfather did not sell a ton of illegal liquor or that he was not convected of tax evasion – he did and he was.

But like the Capone slur, the tax evasion case is a bit different than you make it appear.

At that point in history, as weird as it sounds, it wasn't clear whether proceeds from illegal business was taxable. My grandfather's case settled that.

My grandfather also claimed that if that income was taxable, the expenses related to it should be deductible meaning, for example, that the bribes paid to St. Paul's police in what was known as the O'Connor System should have been deductible. The court disagreed.

And lest you be even more confused than you already are, the O'Connor system had been in place – and publicly touted by police – since the first couple years of the 1900s. It long preceded my grandfather's criminality (he was about 10 when the system was first touted acknowledged by police).

Cicero, Illinois – where Capone was based – later had a similar agreement, and that is the basis for the federal officer's comparison of my grandfather to Capone.

Again, this comparison had nothing to do with any violence or Mafia ties Capone had.

Of course, I've explained this before and the facts are in the very book the out-of-context Wikipedia quote is taken from.

But honesty is not a Rubashkin family or Chabad trait, as the world has seen time and time and time again.

jason,
do you feel better now?
good...now run along little boy..

Jason/Getzel;
Answer the following questions please:
1) Do you admit your Father was a crook?
2) Do you admit that your Father illegally diverted funds contrary to his agreement with the bank?
3) Do you admit that your Father used company money to pay for household items like silverware, religious objects and paid personal family health insurance bills with money taken from Agriprocessors?
4) Do you admit that your Father destroyed corporate records as charged by the prosecution? (This is something you probably know a lot about since, if I remember correctly, you continued to work at the company when these events took place. Did you help Papa with this?)

Every time you attack others in an effort to divert attention from your Father's crooked dealings, you really only convince the public of SMR's guilt. Your unwillingness to own up to his crimes convinces people - including the judge and prosecutors - that your community still hasn't learned the lessons of the sad tail of Agriprocessors, and reduces the likelihood that your Father will ever get a pardon. You just don't seem to know right from wrong.

Jason/Getzel,
i do feel for you as a son of your father who you obviously adore.
but put your man pants on.
your father did some terrible things to PEOPLE.
live with it. live with it the best you can.
you want to pray harder. pray.
you want to start smoking pot...smoke.
you want to go to college...go.
you want to bring things to your dad and make him smile...do it.
but stop with the bullshit. ok?
you are living in la la land. it's up to you to find the door and leave la la land. you're only human. people make mistakes. people learn. you should learn how to own up to your mistakes and go forward. and ask your family to stop asking for money.
we all know you have a huge amounts hidden away. and stop with the stupid
robo calls too. stop it already. own up to it. maybe then you'll get some respect. and respect is holy. isn't that what you live for? you have been so brainwashed...i feel for you.

Jason/Getzel,

Why is everyone in your family a criminal?

It's only a matter of time before we see you doing the perp walk on the front page of the NY Post.

jason/getzel,
why don't you go to spain, italy and some greek islands?
spain has beautiful women.
italy the most beautiful art.
yes, even in vatican city and don't forget venice.
you have that roman look; you'll feel quite comfortable.
not out of place as you would feel in denmark, finland or norway.
learn a few languages, learn how to play the guitar, and stay for at least a couple of years.
then come back and decide if you want to attend university.
this is my suggestion to you. you need it.

@Ruthie,

For the record my father is not in prison unlike Shmarya grandfather who was a crook was in prison and a criminal, my name is NOT rubashkin and I fear for my children's safety to give my last name, as Shmarya has a family member who was the mobster of st paul as wikipedia put put it. Sholom Rubashkin did inflate his invoices, did commit wire fraud and did fail to pay the cattle dealers ontime and should pay back the 30 plus million he owes the bank and I wish there were not a raid as several other United States senators wish there were no raid and the bank would have been paid back on the loan. Sholom rubashkin was found NOT guilty on child labor.

Note that "Jason" continues to ignore most of the facts of the Rubashkin case (see my series of comments above) and ignores the fact that his Wikipedia quote is out of context and inaccurate.

That's what Chabad is arguably best at – lying – and "Jason" is no different.

Shmarya,
I feel that you are lying about your grandad.
You make him sound like almost a saint.

In fact here are some more details about this "TZADIK"
"He was arrested again in 1927 and sentenced to a year and a half at Leavenworth for liquor conspiracy. When he got out, he turned Suites 301-303 of the St. Paul Hotel into his personal offices. From there he controlled almost all of the gambling in the city and most of the bootlegging. The circle at the front door became a drop-off point for the bootleggers in the city.

And this :"Gleckman was, and is, called the Al Capone of St. Paul, and coincidentally was brought down by the same crime. In 1934, Gleckman was sent to prison for good for tax evasion after having been investigated by the same men who nailed Capone."

In short, Rubashkin is a saint compared to your grandad
And you are lying to protect the family honour

Friends and the not so friendly,
Shmarya, actually never told anybody about his illustrious pedigree, Tzemach Atlas of Mentalblog broke the story.
Beware the big preachers and the nasty ones with righteous indignation, they are hiding many skeletons in their closets.

Oh, please.

You're a semi-literate idiot.

1. I never hid who my grandfather was. In fact, in the 1990s I wrote about him in the local paper.

2. If you read my previous comments on this post (obviously a big deal for someone as challenged as you to do) you'll see that the article you are quoting is taking things out of context, and you'll see that I explained those things in their proper context in those comments.

3. He sold illegal liquor. The gambling is far less clear. He was in no way like Al Capone – except for the fact that he was very successful at what he did. But my grandfather did it without murdering people.

Like other Chabadniks, you do what you've been taught by your rabbis and by your community – you lie, the same way Chabad has notoriously lied about the rebbe and his father-in-law for decades.

You disgust me.

I"m not Chabad
And you protest to much
You are always quick with the insult
If you only knew what people think of you...

"The gambling is far less clear"
To you maybe.
We have a saint here

I can't figure out frumma trolls like Jason or Jimmy.

First they mock Shmarya for being a nobody who sits in his underpants in his parents' basement.
When that doesn't work, they say he is a powerful mobster that they're afraid of.

Frumma trolls, please call a meeting at the Lubavitcher Yeshiva and decide on which strategy to go with.

Personally, I think the 'Shmarya has gangster roots' is kind of cool.

Hey Jason, so your father is doing 27 years. You still have a ton of money hidden away. He is a big hero in Crown Heights. Maybe you should just lay low and stop banging the drums for a while, like 2-3 years until people forget about him, then let his lawyers look for some new angle.

Wool, aka "doc mengele"
Where did you buy your md license? Some banana republic?
I knew you lacked the basic empathy to be healer, but now I see you don't have the intelligence either.
Where did I claim to be afraid of Rosenberg?
His grandad? Yeah for sure.Look up what happened to people that messed with him.

What I have been saying is that for someone who had such a criminal as a grandfather, it stinks when he continues to dance on the blood of Sholom Rubashkin AFTER he has been sentenced to 27 years.
Rosenberg wants to see blood, he has no heart, no empathy, and is a very bitter loser obsessively stalking the Rubashkins.
He will rot in a special hell

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