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July 15, 2013

Is Camp Dora Golding Telling The Truth About Alleged Abuse?

Camp Dora Golding Logo 150 x 150"I am writing to inform you of an incident that took place in camp this past Thursday concerning improper contact with a camper.  Fortunately, I was immediately notified by the camper.  My senior staff and I immediately launched our established plan-of-action which included safeguarding the affected camper, preventing the staff member from leaving camp premises, verifying the facts, and notifying law enforcement and the affected camper’s parents."

Camp Dora Golding Logo 150 x 150

Originally published at 10:13 pm CDT 7-14-2013

Camp Dora Golding sent the following email to parents about the alleged abuse at the camp.

The abuse took place Wednesday night, the arrest was made Thursday, the arraignment was Friday morning, news reports began being published locally on Friday and nationally by Failedmessiah.com Saturday night.

The camp's email was sent out Sunday night:

Dear Parents,
 
Camp Dora Golding works year-round to ensure a fun-filled, memorable summer for each of our over 1000 campers. We work equally hard to ensure their safety and security.
 
I am writing to inform you of an incident that took place in camp this past Thursday concerning improper contact with a camper.  Fortunately, I was immediately notified by the camper.  My senior staff and I immediately launched our established plan-of-action which included safeguarding the affected camper, preventing the staff member from leaving camp premises, verifying the facts, and notifying law enforcement and the affected camper’s parents.
 
Within several hours, the staff member was arrested by the authorities and taken off camp grounds.  We are of course completely cooperating with the authorities to assist their investigation in every possible way.
 
At this point, we have no reason to believe that any other campers were involved or in any way affected.  We are in consultation with leading mental health professionals and social service agencies, and prepared to offer appropriate support and counseling to our staff, campers and parents, if needed.  Through this consultation, it was decided not to alarm over 600 unknowing campers.  Certainly, if you feel the need to speak to your son to allay your fears, we can have him call you.
 
For more than a decade, (even before recently publicized stories of abuse in the Orthodox community), our staff orientation included specific training to deal with improper contact and conduct between staff and campers.  We have a zero tolerance policy towards any improper behavior and, as demonstrated by recent events, are ready to follow through whenever necessary.  I am proud of my staff, which acted quickly, properly and responsibly.
 
Our established action plan includes contacting all our campers’ parents as soon as possible, however, before our earliest opportunity to properly do so; the incident was reported in a local Pennsylvania newspaper and quickly spread online.  We regret that some parents had to learn of this story from media and online sources before hearing it directly from the camp.
 
If further relevant information becomes available, we will share it with you to the greatest extent possible. I am well aware that such incidents tend to generate rumors and unintended inaccuracies.  Should you have any questions or concerns, I welcome the discussion, and ask that you feel free to contact me directly.
 
Sincerely,
 
Alex Gold

Based on what I reported earlier today, what Alex Gold did not tell parents is that the Chisdai Ben Poratcamp tried to send the counselor, Chisdai Ben-Porat (pictured at right), who committed the alleged sexual abuse home to Canada.

When police were notified by a person who is not a camp employee that the camp was helping the counselor flee, they returned and arrested the counselor.

Also note that while Gold says that the camp "immediately launched our established plan-of-action which included safeguarding the affected camper, preventing the staff member from leaving camp premises, verifying the facts, and notifying law enforcement and the affected camper’s parents" after being told about the alleged abuse, he does not specify when the parents were notified or how long it took the camp to call police after it was told about the alleged abuse.

As of this morning, I've been told the alleged victim's parents had not yet been told the alleged abuse took place.

Past that, to wait 3 1/2 days to tell parents about the alleged abuse is, I think, inexcusable. On that basis alone, I would pull any children in my care out of that camp immediately.

Related Posts:

Counselor Allegedly Molests Boy In Orthodox Sleepover Camp.

Camp Allegedly Tried To Help Counselor Flee Abuse Charges.

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The letter sounds like the camp administrators are trying to cover their rear ends once the story of abused was made public.

If I am correct, in an earlier FM post comment, a camper's mother wrote that she had received no notification of the incident.

I am anxiously awaiting Voice Of Truth's brilliant and insightful comments on this post.

Shmarya, the email might as well have been titled "Dear Mr Rosenberg and other members of the media"

I'm presuming you tried to contact the camp for comment. No response before they sent this to parents?

I am disappointed that you have been reporting this story without having verified your information. As a Dora Golding parent, you set in even more fear among us parents than we already had from your morning post when you posted your second post yesterday regarding the camp allegedly trying to help the counselor escape to Canada and saying that the parents reported the incident, there was a video, etc. You state that, "As of this morning, I've been told the alleged victim's parents had not yet been told the alleged abuse took place." I spoke to Alex Gold on Sunday morning and he told me that the parents were informed within hours of the incident, that they came up to camp, and that their son was signed up to stay for the entire summer and still plans on staying. He also said that he, Alex Gold, reported the incident to the police. It is possible that he is not being 100% straight, I am no fool, but you are reporting information based on "what you have been told", without explaining where you are getting it from, and that does not seem at all responsible to me. We are panicked enough about the situation as it is, please make sure your sources are accurate before posting information on the internet and freaking us out even more.

As I mentioned many times . . . . the only proof of WHO called the police and WHEN is through the local PD department. Until then, it's going to be a case of he said/she said.

Shmarya - Can you please post this important info when you obtain? thanks!

Lastly, if (and I repeat IF) this is was an attempted cover up of ANY capacity then SHAME ON THE CAMP.


red |-

does the timeline make sense? i'm just asking.
abuse allegedly took place wedn. night . police first called thursday at 4:35 PM .
what was going on in between?


http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130714/NEWS/307140329

Anything blogged by failure is suspect to begin with. All we have here is just another yenta site where there is no to'eles other than for yentas to yenta away on things they know NOTHING about.

apc - What follows is hypothetical, not based on any knowledge, but it may answer your questions. We don't know when the abuse was reported to the camp - it may have been Wednesday night, it may have been Thursday morning, it may have been 4:34 pm Thursday afternoon. Also remember that 4:35 is 3:35 camp time.
Assuming it was reported earlier,
a) It may have taken a little time to work its way up the "chain of command."
b) The camp would probably try to verify the story - Ask the victim what happened(we don't even know if it was reported by the victim or the alleged videographer)2) Locate and question the alleged abuser
c)The camp would notify the parents of the victim, who probably would want to talk to their son and verify the story with him before requesting that an arrest be made.

I don't know about the law, but it is possible that if the parents did not want to press charges there would have been no arrest.

Shamrya claims his source is someone with intimate knowledge of what happened,(including a plot to send the alleged abuser home) but not a staff member. Who could that be?

Don't get me wrong -- I am extremely furious about the whole thing and I agree that we don't have all the facts, I just think that there are a number of ways this could have gone down and yes, it is POSSIBLE that the camp was trying to smuggle the perpetrator out of the country, but it is also POSSIBLE that the camp was doing nothing of the sort. My point is that reporting things based on what people are saying and not necessarily based on reliable sources might be causing even more panic. I can tell you that the number of texts and phone calls I was getting yesterday when people heard that the camp tried to get the counselor out of the country and that a video was being released shows what an effect that post had. Some possible scenarios: Perhaps the camp found out about the incident in the middle of the night on Wednesday, called the camper's parents who said they were jumping into their car and coming up to camp, spent the rest of the night and Thursday morning speaking to the camper, the counselor who supposedly walked in on the incident and reported it(yes, that story is going around too)and the perpetrator, then met with the parents and the camper and then called their board of directors who called their attorneys who said, guys-- you have to call the police. OR perhaps they called their attorneys first thing in the morning who said let us look into this and see if you are required to report the incident to the police based on the accusations and then told them later in the day that they did. Or perhaps they decided that the best thing would be to smuggle the counselor back to Canada and hope that the boy's parents never found out about the incident. I don't know. But I do think that in this day and age, with all the fear that all us parents have when we send our kids off to summer camp, we should make sure we have reliable sources before posting these typed of accusations online without verifying them, that is all I am saying.

"As a Dora Golding parent, you set in even more fear among us parents than we already had from your morning post when you posted your second post yesterday regarding the camp allegedly trying to help the counselor escape to Canada and saying that the parents reported the incident, there was a video, etc"

Why waste time posting here? Get in your damn car and make the trip to the camp yourself if you have no one to go with you! Pull your kid(s) out and send them to a different camp. Even if you are a working mom, take off and just DO it. If you parents are freaked out by just reading this blog, imagine how your children feel. Who will be raping or fondling them next? The camp now has experience in trying to cover up and they know what failed in THIS current cover up. Next time the camp will be smarter and actually get the abuser out of the area.

Do what we seculars do--PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN and forget about marrying them off.

JP -

heres another hypothetical:

kid tells another counselor/rebbe/DH early in morn-lets say 8 AM. camp admins decide to handle it internally by arranging to send accused home to canada. many hours later-only after becoming aware that another camper has told his parents and that a video may exist- they decide to call the police.
plausible?

red-

i cant believe you think your scenario shows proper conduct by the camp. if you would be OK with it, you are part of the problem.

Devorah -- Do you think I am a completely irresponsible parent????? Please give me a little more credit than that. I didn't spend my entire day yesterday praying that my son was ok, saying tehillim and hoping that an angel would swoop down and make everything better. I spoke to the camp multiple times and spoke to my son. He has no clue what is going on, he is in a younger division on a different campus than where this happened and the story has not gotten out in camp. My son has no access to the internet or email in camp and does not know that anything took place. And don't fool yourself, these things happen in secular camps as well as in Orthodox ones. Sexual abuse also happens in secular families, can you believe it?!?
Don't you dare make a blanket statement that I should "do what we seculars do--PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN and forget about marrying them off." You don't know me and you know absolutely nothing about me, my family, my beliefs or my values. How dare you judge me like that, you should be ashamed of yourself.

And one more thing, I do NOT think the camp handled the situation well, I just think we don't know the entire story. That is the one and only point I was trying to make.

Shmarya - parental advice coming from you is comical. Lets face it, even those who support your views would never leave their children in your care.

ok apc, but why come up with the worst case scenario when there is zero evidence and zero info on the unnamed source. Responsible journalists, even when keeping their sources anonymous, usually describe their positions, verify their stories, and if they can't verify, hold back the story until they can.
Shmarya stuck his neck out pretty far on this one.

Devorah - pull your kids out camp why? Because the camp was slow on the external PR response? You don't know what happened there. Based on available information, the camp seems to have reacted appropriately. Yet you assume that because of one incident, which as far as we know was dealt with appropriately, the camp is a hotbed of rapists and molesters. That is like saying don't drive because someone got into an accident.
Parents are "freaked out" because of unsubstantiated rumors masquerading as fact. That has nothing to do with how our children at the camp feel or how they are being treated. There is a cover up because you say there is?

JP-

one thing is known. police werent called till 4:35 pm . that is unacceptable. until the camp explains that, we should all assume the worst.
OTOH theres no evidence to support assumption that camp acted responsibly. the burden is on them to explain the long delay. they havent. that makes shmaryas sources' allegations seem quite credible.

My kids would have been home already and I would have been on the phone contacting other Orthodox camps who have clean histories.

Keep your kids there and take a chance. Hope nothing happens to them, but if it does, you knew the possibility ahead of time and didn't bother to protect them. If you can live with that, good for you. :)

I couldn't.

++perhaps they called their attorneys first thing in the morning who said let us look into this and see if you are required to report the incident to the police++

Sounds like Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick.

Red, I'm sure you mean well, but your thought processes sound like you've been raised, or razed, in the world where the religious leaders are much too powerful an influence in your life.

Please consider that sometimes your religious leaders are scum who are only taking advantage of your kind unsuspecting nature. Sometimes your religious leaders are crooks. Sometimes your religious leaders put their own interests before yours.

Us 'seculars' call the police FIRST. That's the big difference here. And those 'seculars' who look to cover up or protect themselves before protecting the children end up like Penn State University.

Here's the basic problem. You can't trust the people leading klal yisrael anymore. Can't trust the 'gadolim', judges, principals. There is something wrong with them. They are missing common sense and basic humanity in many cases. Not all bad. But you don't know which and you can't trust them in general. Also they cover for each other. It's a very sick place we have reached. Corruption is the word for it.

to Hal and wsc: Very unlikely that any parent sending to Dora Golding believes that Gedolim have to decide whether to call the police or not. It is just not that kind of camp. If you listen to some of the Gedolim in Israel the camp is secular, non-Jewish or even worse - but I wont repeat the "A" word. The parent's possible scenario in the comments above did not include calling the Rabbis as a possible delay.
The facts WILL come out and we will see what caused the police to be called only after maybe 12- 16 hours. Not great but way better than we've seen here before.

I meant way better than we've seen ON THIS BLOG before - did not mean to imply at this Camp. I know of nothing at this camp previously...

I'm not even talking about the question of calling the police. The police are corrupt too. So are the courts.

Problem is the Torah world is messed up in general. It's unhealthy and produces all these wacko counselors and rebbes and administrators. Their mothers are nuts and their fathers are nuts and their teachers were nuts. The whole thing is so full of sickness that you can't trust anyone with anything anymore.

Wow, this is the first (and last) day I have or ever will read or post a comment on this blog. And now I know why.

On the eve of Tisha B'Av, the saddest day of the Jewish year, we mourn the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem because of baseless hatred that Jews had for one another (I am referring to the second temple for all of you about to jump down my throat), and this blog and the comments posted here are continued proof that this problem is unfortunately not going away anytime soon.

I grew up in a modern Orthodox home and was raised to have tolerance for everyone, no matter what race, religion or sect of Judaism. I was raised to be a thinker and to ask questions and not accept everything at face value, but I was also raised not to automatically think the worst of everyone.

I have plenty of relatives and close friends who span the spectrum from Ultra-Orthodox to modern Orthodox to secular to atheist and I try to respect them all. Their life's choices are none of my business. Unfortunately, I do not think that it necessarily goes both ways.

It always amazes (and saddens) me to see how the "secular" Jews who are so liberal and open-minded when it comes to the rest of the world and tell everyone to just "live and let live" are so close-minded and judgmental when it comes to the Orthodox Jewish world. Their automatic response is that someone is doing something dishonest, there is a cover up, there are no real gedolim, all judges, principals and leaders of all kinds in the Orthodox world are corrupt, horrible, despicable people, Orthodox Jews are brain washed and don't think for themselves, the list goes on and on... Yet those same "secular" Jews are the ones who have it all down pat, and have all the tolerance in the world for every other race, religion, etc. where no one is ever found to be corrupt or dishonest.

It is so sad and pathetic that you have chosen to live your lives with such hate and animosity for your fellow Jews. I do not live with my head in the sand, I know that there are plenty of Orthodox leaders who are dishonest and corrupt and I believe that they should be punished. But I also know that this problem unfortunately exists all over the world, in all sects of Judaism and in all races and religions.

I feel sorry for you that you and many of your readers have so much hatred in your hearts for the Orthodox world, it must be hard to live like that..... Don't bother responding to this comment, I am done here.

I'm not secular. I'm Orthodox and I'm saying this. I deal with these people every day. The point is, not that they are all bad, but that so many are bad you can't trust anyone.

Now stop being a crybaby and grow up.

Finally a chance to tell people about Alex Gold!!!! When my Orthodox daughter was hired to be a Kitchen Helper there to enjoy a summer of being with other frum kids he had her up early in the morning with an abusive chef and Muslim exchange students from Turkey working all day and night including Shabbos. Poor kid was afraid to tell me. When I went up for visiting day and saw how she looked and what was going on in that kitchen I gave it to him! I said "Would you allow your daughter to work under these conditions when she is supposed to be having her first positive paid employment experience"? They gave me a very hard time but they finally changed her job. What a monster! Signed,Marisa Levy Passaic, N.J.

Do not trust Alex Gold for one minute. He will deny knowledge of what went on and lie to protect his affluent business!

I'm not secular. I'm Orthodox and I'm saying this. I deal with these people every day. The point is, not that they are all bad, but that so many are bad you can't trust anyone.

Now stop being a crybaby and grow up.

Posted by: Hal | July 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM

How ironic. Probably the most mature comment I have ever read on FM and Hal tells her to grow up.

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..... Don't bother responding to this comment, I am done here.


Posted by: red"


Good. Now get in the car and go retrieve those little boys of yours. Have a Conservadisha kup and do what's right. Not much traffic on Rt. 80 today.
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Alex can afford to lose a few smart families and it will be one less cover-up.

"I was 13 years old, attending sleep-away camp at Camp Dora Golding, an all-boys Orthodox camp that some of you still send your sons to. I was befriended by a 28-year-old member of the rabbinic staff. Over the course of a week he sexually abused me repeatedly."

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new-york-news/sharing-secret-thats-haunted-my-soul

Red, I guess nothing has changed since then.

Here are the facts:
-a counselor was arraigned on three serious criminal offenses.
-the camp took three full days to notify parents of the arrest.
-children, including the boys in the accused's bunk, were lied to about the circumstances surrounding the accused's departure.
-no investigation was made as to whether other crimes had been committed by the accused.

Whether or not the counselor is guilty of the crimes with which he has been charged will be determined in a court of law. However, whether the camp obfuscated, delayed, and denied is irrefutable: it did.

MD, red is living in a little dream land and if we dare disrupt it she gets outraged and invokes the 3 weeks and all that crap. That's not mature.

Red,
I hear you when you express our frustration with some of the posts here.
Nothing "pushes my button" more than being accused of being a bad parent.
But please bear in mind commentators such as APC, WSC etc (including me) have been frustrated and aggravated by the decades of abuse and cover-ups and can express themselves rather harshly at times. But the bottom line is the most of the opinions i see here seem to be from people who are genuinely concerned for the kids well being.
Now as far as Camp DG's response and what parents like "red" should do:

We must bear in mind there are two vitally important things that must be accomplished.

1) The perp must face the consequences of his action and the community (and I mean everyone, not just the local Ortho community) must be protected/able to protect themselves from further abuse by this guy.

2) The victim must be aided/protected.

In regard to #2 I have a concern that blowing up this incident with an unwarranted major response can be damaging to the victim.
We are dealing with kids, kids in a tight community. If the other kids have their summers disrupted the spotlight will fall on this poor kid who may end up labeled "damaged goods".
Sure if there is a danger you must do what it takes to protect your child. But are the other children at DG really in danger of being molested? More so than at another camp?
I don't know, but I'd probably be more comfortable having my kid at a camp that admitted they had a molester and dealt with him swiftly (even if not perfectly) than at a camp that tells me "Don't worry we have no molesters here".
I do see from comments that appeared after I started writing this that DG had some issues in the past that should make current parents cautious. But parents with their kids there now don't have an easy decision to make on short notice. If "red" spoke to his/her kid and the camp, it's likely the kid is safe. Should "red" and other parents do more investigating before sending kids there again? - sure.

As I often say, we must remember there will always be sex offenders. It's not that a particular culture creates them, it's that a dysfunctional culture protects them and lets them continue offending.

++! | July 15, 2013 at 10:51 AM++

Although they're not the extreme kind who need to consult with gedolim whether to take an umbrella to work on a cloudy day, the mindset remains similar:

Don't call the police. We don't need those stinkin' goyem and their laws, anyway. Mandatory reporting? Feh. Protect the organization first and foremost.

Red, I am saddened to see your blanket condemnation of secular Jews. As an aunt of a child in the camp all I cared about was that my nephew was safe, my sister had all the information and I wanted to see if I could help get info as I am all over social media. None of it had anything to do with my religious observance or that of my sister's family. I just cared about the safety of children and whether the leadership was properly handling it. He could have been in any camp, my reaction would have been the same.
The hate and animosity and patheticness you speak of when you address secular Jews is the same of what you are accusing secular Jews are. It is disputable regardless of where the rift comes from.
Regardless of even whether someone is Jewish or not when it comes to the protection of children, we are on the same side.
As far as Shmarya us concerned, he may be convinced of the version he was told. I am pretty sure if everyone were convinced of his version it would not be a crazy notions to take your kid home. The whole story has been inconsistent and people are trying to figure out the truth. Shmarya seems convinced of his truth.

++Wow, this is the first (and last) day I have or ever will read or post a comment on this blog++ Posted by: red

i call bull. youll read and youll post under a new alias.

+++On the eve of Tisha B'Av, the saddest day of the Jewish year, we mourn the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem+++

speak for yourself. everyone pretends to care but it happened 2000 years ago, has been reversed FTMP via israel, and few if any MO jews really desire a return to that. do you yearn for being able to kill gays, sabbath violators and non-virgin brides?
the saddest day is yom hashoah. millions of our grandparents generation were murdered. now THATS sad. but the impotent rabbis cant even assign it its own fast day.

+++and this blog and the comments posted here are continued proof that this problem is unfortunately not going away anytime soon.+++

the charedim and their vile ketonim leaders have a near monopoly on hate, calls for violence (implicit) and intolerance.

+++ I was raised to be a thinker and to ask questions and not accept everything at face value, +++

no you werent or youd realize just how untenable ortho hashkafah and theology is.


+++It is so sad and pathetic that you have chosen to live your lives with such hate and animosity for your fellow Jews.+++

yup. im gonna stone people who dont drive on shabbos. then i'll firebomb theaters that wont show certain films. then i'll attack a few soldiers or those dressed as charedim who walk in my town.
sorry, i forgot...i'm not charedi.

+++ I know that there are plenty of Orthodox leaders who are dishonest and corrupt and I believe that they should be punished. But I also know that this problem unfortunately exists all over the world, in all sects of Judaism and in all races and religions.+++

yes, and they are condemned and rooted out except in religious circles. in ortho and charedi-land abusers and the corrupt are defended. see lanner...finkelstein..sobel...chen...leibovits....weberman....spinka rebbe....kassin..etc...etc...

+++ I am done here.+++

when you cant debate issues, i understand why.

Doubly Disgusted - you make a few fair points, but some not so fair -
A counselor was arraigned - well yes, according to a new report.
The camp took 3 days to notify parents of the arrest. - no doubt, this was way too long, but has no bearing on how the case was actually handled internally.
Children were lied to about the circumstances of the departure - well that's probably true. Do you just announce to an entire camp, including some children much younger, that a counselor left because he was accused of indecent assault?
No investigation was made about other possible crimes - really? you don't think he was questioned by the camp and by police?

It is irrefutable that the camp obfuscated, denied and delayed? What exactly? What was denied? What action was delayed? Were was the obfuscation? The communication to parents was delayed. Nothing else.

According to Red, the child is staying in camp. Is that the reaction of parents who feel they were lied to or action was delayed?

Fact - things reported on this blog as facts are not.
Parents of the child not informed - simply not true. Camp didn't call police - not true. Camp tried to aid an escape by the accused - not true.

Most of the outrage here is based on straight out falsehoods, inaccuracies, and prejudices.

should be news report -the is no "new" report to my knowledge.

wow where to start... having worked in the camp in question for many years, worked with the current head staff and directors, i think i have a little bit more insight into the camp than some others.
devorah- i do not know who you are, and if you were my parent i would be happy that you were, but to go around pandering your beliefs of what all parents should be doing with their kids without knowing all the facts, shame on you- you can what you want with your own self family, but to go on a public forum lambasting ppl you do not know for choices that you have no insight of y they were made, is not in ur juristdiction to do- THEIR child is in the camp not yours, every parent does hwat is best for their child.
Mcommentator- your comment made me smile- because i finally after reading all the comments, finally saw someone who really took some time into crafting an intelligent response kudos to you- regarding someof the facts involved in your comment- the previous cases that ppl keep saying that were levied against CDG were 30 years ago while am not absolving the camp from those atrocious acts of disgusting behavior- the current administration has absolutely no connection to that era besides for the name of the camp and the subsequent media ramblings and abusees accusations years later
my thoughts- i am appalled at what happened- really terrible for the kid and his family, i really wish them the best-
in regard to CDG- while they may have been slow to notify the parents, maybe it is possible that they were trying to get all the facts straight- how big and how far the scope of this was? if i was a parent while i would appreciate an email/ phonecall letting us know what happened, with minimal details my mind would go wild trying to figure and coiinject what had happened. in my mind what they did was correct in the way the handled telling the parents wait until they have all the facts and then tell the parents all the info that they want to know and be able to answer all the questions they might have.

mr. rosenberg- what you have done in the past when it came to investigative journalism is unsurpassed- but here you were in the wrong unless you have a source that is intimately involved with what is going on you should not have put ur neck out on the line, for hwat the possoblity that you were right? you are a better journalist (if you think of yourself as one) than that- pease stop using conjecture and pomp to get attention to yourself.


Don't call the police. We don't need those stinkin' goyem and their laws, anyway. Mandatory reporting? Feh. Protect the organization first and foremost.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed | July 15, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I believe you've written previously about your having dabbled in orthodoxy before. If true, clearly, that wasn't the modern orthodoxy typical of the parents who send to this camp. Your suggestion is not even close. Maybe the part about (administrators) protecting the organization which I think might be true in society in general. I'm not sure there is any secular or non Jewsih organization that wont try to protect itself first and foremost even if eventually they have to face the truth. But your statement about the parents - no "stinkin" way! unlike the Chareidi parents you've read so much about on this blog and who you may have met when and if you were orthodox, typical MO parents and esp of the type that send to this camp would not say FEH to mandatory reporting or anything about stinking goyim. That is absolutely ridiculous.

Nevermind about the sex abuse, anybody who thinks the food is kosher at that camp hasn't met the Turkish Muslim exchange students working in the kitchen. Priorities!

My comments apply to the boys in Ben Porat's bunk. They were lied to by the camp. They were not questioned by either the police or the administration. Their parents were not informed.

Doubly Disgusted, are you a parent in that bunk? Why weren't the other boys questioned by the police? Do you know who notified the police?

What Red didn't understand is that most of the people who are the most angry and the most over the top on here are those who used to be ultra-orthodox or orthodox.
What Red also didn't understand is that comments on the internet are often outrageous and that shamarya doesn't censor strictly (which I think is a good thing) and is really only aggressive on people sockpuppeting.

I went to CDG one summer many years ago, but have no connection with the current events. I do know that it took way too long for all parents to be informed, as I have heard from a parent that if they didn't happen to have heard about it from a friend she wouldn't have known about it until today. The claim that they say their plan was followed. This plan included the notification of parents in a timely manner, which clearly did not happen. This makes me skeptical of the claim that other parts of the plan were followed, such as calling the police in a timely manner.

One damning point made a few times is that the camp did not tell other campers or ask them what they saw and if they had any bad experiences. This is not debatable because it is openly admitted to in the self-congratulatory email they sent out. Although I am sure they wrote it in consultation with their lawyers (just like YU, Ner Yisroel, Torah Temimah etc. lawsuits is all they care about.)

But the camp needed to get "expert" professional advice. Of course they can't name the professional experts they consulted with, because....why?

"We are in consultation with 'leading mental health professionals and social service agencies,' and prepared to offer appropriate support and counseling to our staff, campers and parents, if needed. Through this consultation, it was decided not to alarm over 600 unknowing campers. Certainly, if you feel the need to speak to your son to allay your fears, we can have him call you."

This is so obviously Ohel.

Only David Mandel would advise not asking the other children if they were hurt by this monster. As the CEO of Ohel told Baltimore parents (in a youtube available speech there), "We don't want to start looking in shadows and creating hysteria."

Translate: In the words UOJ has used to describe Ohel's track record - "We will let no cover up go uncovered."

G-d forbid they would find other victims who could testify and give more evidence to the police. This is the Ohel way of "cooperating with the authorities". Just like when Andrew Goodman was arrested for molesting kids after working at Ohel, and Ohel did their own "internal investigation" rather than cooperating with the police.

Furthermore, far be it to use the opportunity to explain to the other campers what went on and why its important to tell when someone touches you inappropriately. Or to reach out to any kid who might be too afraid to come forward and is in need of professional help.

On the bright side, while the camp won't allay any of the children's fears, they won't prevent parents from doing so. They have been advised by "professionals" to be nice enough to allow parents to talk to their own children. Very caring and supportive of them.

Based on the court documents the incident happened on Thursday. The turn around time between incident was only a couple of hours.

Failed Messiah you failed to get the story right and have slandered the camp by stating they tried to get the counselor out of the country Wednesday night. You owe it to the camp and your readers to issue a retraction and apology immediately.

You are a certifiable moron.

Read what i wrote again, and if you need help understanding it, ask someone who was not educated in your day school or yeshiva.

Moron.

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