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June 06, 2013

Yeshiva Student Arrested After Asking Online Rabbi If It Was Permitted Under Jewish Law To Shoot And Kill Members Of Women Of The Wall

Handcuffs Orange JumpsuitJerusalem District Police arrested a teenage student of an unnamed Jerusalem yeshiva after he asked an Orthodox rabbi through the ask the rabbi feature of the Zionist Orthodox website and news portal Kippa if it was permitted under Jewish law to shoot and kill Women of the Wall members.

 

Jerusalem Yeshiva Student Arrested After Asking Online Rabbi If It Was Permitted Under Jewish Law To Murder Women Of The Wall Members
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Jerusalem District Police arrested a teenage student of an unnamed Jerusalem yeshiva after he asked an Orthodox rabbi through the ask the rabbi feature of the Zionist Orthodox website and news portal Kippa if it was permitted under Jewish law to shoot and kill Women of the Wall members, Ynet has just reported.

The rabbi responded by telling the teen that shooting Women of the Wall members was forbidden under and a contradiction to halakha, Jewish law.

The teen was arrested while on a school field trip.

He reportedly told police that he had not intended to harm Women of the Wall members, apparently claiming that the question was only meant to see how halakha views Women of the Wall and the current situation regarding their prayer services at the Kotel (Western Wall).

Women of the Wall are scheduled to hold their monthly prayer service at the Kotel Sunday, during which they plan to read from a Torah scroll for the first time.

For decades, women have been forbidden from praying out loud and from wearing tallits (prayer shawls) and tefillin (phylacteries) at the holy site.

But a recent Israeli court decision found that Women of the Wall has the right to do all of those things, and it put the onus for maintaining peace and security at the Kotel on the police – and on the haredim and other Orthodox Jews who oppose Women of the Wall and who frequently riot or cause other disturbances when Women of the Wall prays there.

Women of the Wall could have read from the Torah last month, but did not as a show of good faith to Religious Services Minister Naftali Bennett, who was trying to work out a compromise between Women of the Wall on one hand and Orthodox and haredi groups on the other.

But after Bennett failed to produce a compromise or new regulations that comport with the court’s ruling and haredim issued a long string of invective against Women of the Wall following last month’s haredi riot against Women of the Wall and police, Women of the Wall has reportedly decided to hold a full prayer service with a full Torah reading from a Torah scroll at Kotel proper this Sunday.

Haredi rabbinic leaders have called for a massive anti-Women-of-the-Wall demonstration at the Kotel Sunday to coincide with Women of the Wall’s prayer service. The haredi demonstration is expected to draw thousands (if not tens of thousands) of haredim.

Last week, a Women of the Wall board member received death threats.

This week, Israel’s chief rabbis, the haredi rabbi of the Kotel, and a haredi Member of Knesset received mailed death threats promising to kill hundreds of haredim if Women of the Wall is not allowed to pray undisturbed.

Women of the Wall strongly condemned the death threats against the haredi rabbis and the haredi MK.

Some observers believe that Women of the Wall – which has no history of violence and which is made up solely of women, many of who are middle aged and some of whom are elderly – is unlikely to have made those death threats. These observers therefore believe that the threats are either being issued by a lone individual supportive of Women of the Wall or by haredi or Zionist Orthodox provocateurs who are hoping that the threats will prompt the government to stop Women of the Wall from praying.

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I have to ask. Where were they going on the field trip??

Of course, death is the punishment for a woman wearing a "man's" garment. What else could it be? Why did you have to waste the rabbi's time with your inane question?

Good grief!

I believe the minimum IQ needed to serve as a basic infantryman in a modern army throughout the Western world is 85. Evidently, the minimum IQ needed to learn in an Israeli yeshiva today is below that level.

Is an influx of yeshiva students, forced to serve by a draft, really going to be smart enough and motivated enough to complete IDF basic training?

Oh NU, come on ... Firstly, crossdressing is punishable by flogging. Secondly, I haven't looked at the site but who's to say that was even the presumed transgression here? Third, the yeshiva world is accustomed to posing extreme hypotheticals to weigh severity and measure clear boundries. Finally, on Kippa.com I've seen the question: איזה ברכה מברכים על נטילת ידים? To which the answer was ... well, the bracha itself. It's full of things most people would consider silly little nothings.

Also, it is unliky that the student was Haredi; it's a Dati-Leumi site.

Are there even any unnamed yeshivot in Jerusalem? Sounds suspicious.

"Oh NU, come on ... Firstly, crossdressing is punishable by flogging."

First of all, I was being facetious. Second, you presume "yeshiva" students are capable of reasonable thought.

"Secondly, I haven't looked at the site but who's to say that was even the presumed transgression here?"

The most distinctive feature of WoW members as individuals, empirically speaking, is the fact that each one of them wears a tallis. In the past, that has been enough to "grind the gears" of many of their detractors.

"Also, it is unliky that the student was Haredi; it's a Dati-Leumi site."

What a relief (cf. Yigal Amir).

Maskil, that's actually one of the common criticisms against the WoW. Which is absurd tbh, since the prohibition on crossdressing means trying to appear as a man to blend in with other men. They are clearly in their own service and are identifying themselves as women, so this does not fall under that criteria.
Shawls are legitimately worn by women fashionably, many of which would actually be a kosher beged for a talit by orthodox standards (hell, walk down the Upper East Side to see).
Also, the robes which Hassidim and some litvish Jews wear have buttons on the left, which is feminine. As are some of the hats they wear. Yet I don't see anyone complaining that they are trying to give Ru Paul a run for his money

"The rabbi responded by telling the teen that shooting Women of the Wall members was forbidden under and a contradiction to halakha, Jewish law."

Obviously a kofer! How did a liberal rabbi sneak in there?

Another thing - the people who continually harp on the biblical injunction against a woman dressing like a man conveniently ignore the fact that when that was written, most men were wearing dresses.

I am in a similar situation, I asked my rabbi who was talmid muvhak of Rav Avigdor Miller if it is permitted to shot and kill Justin Bieber.

He answered me that it is not only permitted but it is s mitzvah from deoraisa and the sooner the better.

So here I go...

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