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June 16, 2013

Chabad-Linked Haredi Chief Rabbi Of Paris Urges Israel To Permit Cruel Goose-Fattening Process To Protect Shechita From Slippery Slope To Ban

Rabbi Yirmiyahu Menachem Cohen Kohen Chief Rabbi of Paris FranceKohen reportedly wrote that because several European countries are considering banning shechita (Jewish ritual slaughter) as inhumane, banning fois gras in Israel could unintentionally be used to support those proposed bans. He argued that the banning of any one type of food as inhumane could easily lead politicians to try to ban all types of slaughter – including shechita.

Rabbi Yirmiyahu Menachem Cohen Kohen Chief Rabbi of Paris France
Rabbi Yirmiyah Menachem Kohen

Chabad-Linked Haredi Chief Rabbi Of Paris Urges Israel To Permit Cruel Goose-Fattening Process To Protect Shechita From Slippery Slope To Ban
Shmarya Rosenberg • Failedmessiah.com

The haredi Chief Rabbi of Paris, France Rabbi Yirmiyah Menachem Kohen urged Israel to stop a proposed ban on the French-Hungarian delicacy fois gras, the specially fatted goose liver produced by force-feeding geese so their livers grow many times their normal size, Arutz Sheva reported.

Kohen, who sits on Chabad’s Rabbinical Centre of Europe’s rabbinical board and who is the author of a bizarre book hard right wing book on supposed biblical prophesy about Muslim terror promoted and sold by the extremist right wing Christian website WorldNetDaily.com, wrote a letter to Israel’s Minister of Agriculture Yair Shamir asking him to block the proposed ban.

Kohen reportedly wrote that because several European countries are considering banning shechita (Jewish ritual slaughter) as inhumane, banning fois gras in Israel could unintentionally be used to support those proposed bans. He argued that the banning of any one type of food as inhumane could easily lead politicians to try to ban all types of slaughter – including shechita.

Kohen also claimed that while in the past the method of producing fatted goose liver was injurious to geese, newer methods are now used that are not harmful to the geese, and it is these newer methods that are being used by countries exporting fois gras to Israel.

However, the method of producing fois gras today is nearly identical to the method used 100 years ago.

Historically, rabbinic opinion on fois gras is divided, with many rabbis banning, either for making the geese treif or for violations of tzaar baalei hayyim (animal cruelty) law, while other rabbis permitted it.

Kohen’s slippery slope argument has been used to try to block other humane slaughter reforms in Europe, where many slaughterhouses producing kosher meat still use exceedingly cruel slaughter methods including shackle and hoist, a method of animal restraint in which “a fully conscious animal is shackled with a chain around its back leg and hoisted into the air. The animal hangs upside down, often for minutes, prior to slaughter. Often, nose tongs are used to pull the head back to allow for the throat to be cut.” Shackle and hoist causes excruciating pain to animals.

Kohen and other pro-shechita rabbis and groups, like Shechita UK, have tried desperately to mask these cruel practices in what many believe is a misguided effort to protect shechita when shackle and hoist and casting and other cruel restraint and handling methods are not part of the halakhic process of shechita itself.

Kohen has now taken this arguably absurd line of fear mongering further by using it to defend the fois gras process – which has nothing to do with shechita itself.

France is a leading consumer and exporter of both kosher and non-kosher fois gras.

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Makes perfect sense. It's the same logic as saying "If we don't let rabbis fuck little children in the ass Jews will be sent to concentration camps."

Ah..the slippery slope argument.....the favourite tool of the orthodox to to keep the religion a religion of Eastern European superstitious peasants.

Kohen isn't chief rabbi of Paris. And he's protecting his foie gras hechsher for export. Always follow the money....

Yirmiya is head of the kashrut division at the Paris Consistoire and a dayan. Sometimes thinks he's also Rosh Beis Din of Paris, although that role is technically also held by the Chief Rabbi of Paris.

This is the real chief rabbi of Paris (and since Bernheim's resignation) also currently de facto CR of France as well..
A calm, very mild mannered Michel Guggenheim.

http://www.tribunejuive.info/communaute/michel-gugenheim-nouveau-grand-rabbin-de-paris

Ah, the superior deductive reasoning of the frumma. I wonder if this comes from a Talmudic education, or if this comes from Chabad's New Testament part Deux, aka Tanya?
If they're so worried about religious rituals being banned, maybe they should stop pressing their luck with circumcisions in Germany by sucking babies' penises

"Tzaar baal chayim for $200, Alex?"

Yochanan, that's my joke for a Jewish game show (similar to Jeopardy) based on the Tanach, "I'll take Nevi'im for $ 500, Alex!"
There could be another game show about the Tanach, but based on Family Feud:
1. Lubavitchers vs. Satmar
2. Rabbinics vs. Karaites
3. Yeshivish vs. Chassidim
4. combined team of small Chassidic sects vs. one of the big ones (eg. Belz, Satmar)
5. Reform vs. Orthodox
The possibilities are endless!
As a game show host once said "Let's get ready to rumble!"

Force feeding geese to fatten them up can be made or leesen the tzar i know it first hand as a child in europe i used to watch the force feeding of geese and i didnt see terrible undue tzar the geese were calm after only seconds of feeding,plus we used to get as much money out of the liver i remember the cost of the geese was covered when somtimes the liver weight over 2 pounds we sold it and made back the money plus we had the geese for for eating:)

The frumma need a steady diet of cruelty.

The frumma need a steady diet of cruelty.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton; I must be seen to be believed | June 16, 2013 at 07:23 PM

Just as most frumma are maladjusted toward humans they are equally maladjusted toward animals.

Two points: 1) Frumma kids are typically terrified of dogs and don't know how to behave before them and 2) I once saw some frumma kids tormenting an injured pigeon and had to tell them to leave it alone and I called animal welfare people.

David--Sorry david last time i mistook you for that evil david,i agree with you the fruma are afraid of dogs i see it here in bp all the time the reason is because they are treated similarly by their parents their feeling are dismissed and cant relate normally to animals i remember as a child in europe we had 2 watchdogs and one winter i was going out closed the door and looked back and saw the dog climbing up with its 2 feet to push down the door knobe to go in to warm itself those days we cooked with firewood and and the dogs climed under the stove after a while they left they are unbeleivable intelligent my rebbis in school beat us when i came home the dog was the only one that i can console myself in they are very obidient ,
.

Dave M: Call it "Jew-party."

David: Pets humanize people. Modern Orthodox do own pets, but ultra-Orthodox do not.

@jancsibacsi

Mixed feeling about the feedings. Like you, I've seen how quickly the birds calm down after a feeding (nearly immediately, a d they don't seem to struggle during the feeding either) and I've read a lot of opinions from respected people in the field who say it is no way cruel.

But it sure LOOKS cruel.

This would be easier if foie gras wasn't so darned tasty.

forcing a living being to ingest more food than it would on its own even if it had access to an endless supply , is cruel.
imagine how uncomfortable it would be if somebody force fed you far past the point when you were completely full.

Foie gras use jto be produced domestically in Israel..

Then production was banned do supposingly to cruelty of animal issues.

Once they enacted the ban it took a few years until it went into affect.
Not because of cruelty to animals but Israel was a exporter of kosher from degras.

The headline is factually incorrect. Kohen is not the chief Rabbi.
You can google Cief Rabbi of Paris to verify the veracity. :-)

That is chief rabbi of Paris.

I suggest that some Hairydim be force fed to see how they feel afterward.

All jewish laws from what I have seen until now, have always stressed the importance of going out of our way not to be cruel to animals.

I challenge anyone to point out any Jewish laws to the contrary.

Feeding an animal more than they can eat is blatantly cruel.

Cohen is NOT the chief Rabbi of Paris.You should correct that.
Cohen was a student at the Klausenberg yeshiva if I"m not mistaken.He was the Dayan of the Shomrei Hadas community which is Modern Orthodox in Antwerp for many years.He moved to Paris about five years ago.
He is not Chabad either

How does he not realize the opposite of what he is saying is true?

If Rabbis are prepared to justify the clearly cruel practice of force feeding and giving liver disease to animals, then surely they lose any credibility they might have had for trying to convince people that shecita can never be cruel.

By saying cruelty is bad and we are against fois gras but we defend all forms of shecita because it is not cruel, it would be harder to tell they are lying. We would still know that hoist and shackle is cruel, but those who are less informed would be more inclined to believe them.

So much for the brilliant logic they have from learning the talmud all day!

As others have pointed out, Kohen is thankfully not the Chief Rabbi of Paris. However, my understanding is that he is the Rosh Beit Din of Paris and works under the authority of the Consistoire Israelite de Paris (mainstream Orthodox). I find it interesting that although he has been in Paris for 5 years, he speaks not a word of the language of the community he serves (French). It makes you wonder what gets lost in translation...

David--Sorry david last time i mistook you for that evil david

Posted by: jancsibacsi | June 16, 2013 at 08:06 PM

OK - thanks.

In terms of logical fallacies, not sure this is best categorized as a slippery slope. It may simply be a false analogy. it's silly even to suggest that the decisions of European food and agriculture regulators could be even remotely influenced by what Israel decides about whether force-feeding geese is cruel.

I suspect he just likes his fois gras.

And.. are you absolutely sure that the "Rabbi Menachem Kohen" you refer to above as the author of this weird book is the same guy as Yirmiya Kohen. Yirmiya doesn't really write in English and it's really very unlike him to write something like this.

Very true comments above about the Shomrei Hadas in Antwerp but just to add the point that whereas it certainly is a Modern Orthodox community, it's rabbis certainly aren't..

People who are anti-schechita are usually motivated by a compassion for animals. (I am not naive enough to believe that latent antisemitism isn't a factor as well). By force feeding geese, it is more likely, not less likely, that schechita will be banned. Instead of rachamim bnei rachamim, Jews will appear to be callous animal abusers.

I suggest we force feed chareidim cholov stam and non-Glatt (but kosher) meat. Their gag reflexes will kill them. (sarcasm).

Dave Marshall,
your game show concept won't work. Neither side would allow Alex Trebek to decide what the right answer is. Each side would always insist they were right and the other side was wrong.

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