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May 26, 2013

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Yerachmiel Lopin

excerpts of the Tshuvas H’Rashba, quoted by the Bait Yosef (Yosef Karo) in Choshen Mishpat 386.

These words (all of Hilchos Aidus) were only said when there exists Sanhedrin, mandated as such by the Torah. However, with the law of the land we disregard all these Halachas (Hilchos Aidus), for their laws, (Dina D’malchusa), are a means to seek out the truth, and they (the defendants) are punished according to the law of the land. (This is true) even with witnesses that are relatives, even when the defendant incriminates himself, even without a warning (withou hasra’a), for their laws are a means to seek out the truth. For if you don’t say so, but you’d rather uphold all the laws of the land according to the standards of the Torah when a Sanhedrin exists, the world would be destroyed; for the deceitful and their cohorts would spread (exponentially)…And even greater (than this example) we find that R’ Eliezar son of R’ Shimon captured and jailed (Jewish thieves) and punished them…So this definitely proves what I have previously said…, for a king with the way he structures the laws upholds the land.

This ruling applies to 103 year sentences, even to capital punishment. The above ruling by the Rashbah is cited by Maran Elyashiv, ZT”L in his ruling authorizing reporting molesters to the civil authorities because they are rodfim (murderous pursuers who may be killed in self defense).

I am continually amazed by people lie Hillel Handler who misquotes halachah but ignore this basic fact of Jewish jurisprudence. Dinah dimalchusah dinah is not just a slogan. It has halachic teeth.

Weberman defenders are caterwauling about the jury’s guilty verdict and the judge’s sentence. Weberman was convicted by a court which applied U. S. and New York State rules of evidence. If you think the rules of evidence are poorly chosen, lobby for changes in the law. If you think the rules of evidence were incorrectly applied in Weberman’s trial, pay for his appeal. Appellate courts will overturn a jury verdict if a judge misapplied the rules of evidence. But please stop complaining about one female witness, etc.

William (Hillel) Handler, none of us will forget how on the Zev Brenner you were mevazer baal habatim and women who with pain talked about the horrors, the depraved horrors they knew about Yisroel Moshe Weingarten. You were not defending him because he was erlich, just because he happened to share your neturei karta views. This, even though prominent chasidish eidah endorsing rabbonim had condemened Weingarten. Among those choshuv rabbonim, as you know was Rav Wosner, Rav Yechezkel Gold (retired Satmar dayan of Monsey) and Rav Chaim Leibish Rottenberg.

To know what pain and havoc Rabbi Handler provokes, read, http://wp.me/pFbfD-uM about Handler's appearance on the Zev Brenner show where he abused survivors of Weingarten who called into the show.

Editor

Or you could read my posts on Handler – including one on his Zev Brenner appearance that has the audio which are linked in my post.


Please see here:http://tinyurl.com/failedmessiah-william-handler

anuran

Another fatwa by morally evil men.

jancsibacsi

Lets go and ask the people who molest us to decide if its permisseble to go to the police ,its like intrusting the chickens to the fox haha what a dummy.

Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law

How many times do I have to say this? The only way this community will finally say "enough", is when the same thing happens to them as what happens to the Catholic Church here in the US- sued for millions and millions of dollars by my brethren in the Personal Injury Bar.

Trust me on this one folks....all we need is for a couple of million or multi-million dollar jury verdicts against this community for "failure to protect" and then, lo and behold...you'll hear these community leaders say "We must protect our children!".......

.......and then you'll see a 180-degree turnaround in terms of 1) children being protected from abusers, and 2) abusers being turned in/turned over to the police instead of being shielded or just referred to some "beit din".

Jake

Yeshiva University is already dealing with potential law suits.

I beleive YU has nw taken proactive steps to deal with issues of abuse and has not for a long time acted like ostriches ...

And the American justice system is not necessarily fair. You need a lot of money to put up a good defense or to litigate non tort civili cases.

Bas Melech

Evidently charedim don't consider child sex abuse or non-consensual sex perpetrated by rabbis, respected community members, and family members as crimes. It is more important to obey religious leaders and to submit to their desires and rulings. Not to do so is a crime.

Actions speak louder than words. Criminals are defended, not victims. Have the right name or title and you can do nothing wrong.

c

Bas Melech

Who is a top charedi rabbi? Is there a general consensus on who is and who isn't?

Pieter Filter

There are probably a variety of heads of Yeshivas, like the Mirrer, which would be consensus for the Litvish and of course Yeshivish world. It is not easy for me to gauge if any of the Chassidishe world would also be on this consensus, I don't really follow so closely.

It seems that there is a clear split now coming soon between this on the Molestrations and their enablers. THis is very very healthy.

Bas Melech

Pieter Filter | May 26, 2013 at 10:32 PM

I didn't ask a serious question. One rabbi will say go to police, another will say no. These "gedolim" don't always agree. All of a sudden when one "gadol" diverges from the opinion of another, he suddenly becomes not such a gadol.

Manuel Ferrara

I researched Yanover, he also attacked Vicky Polin's Oprah appearance where she said that Jewish people eat babies.

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