More Evidence Of Ramapo Corruption – And Haredi Influence

"The names of the seven members of the Ramapo Planning and Zoning Boards do not appear anywhere on the Town’s website. Clarkstown, Orangetown, Stony Point—they list their boards. You might ask the Supervisor [i.e., Christopher St. Lawrence]. After all, he appointed the members to terms as long as seven years. More important though is the question why does one sector [i.e., haredim] which has the most irresponsible and out-of-control development have control over the planning and zoning for all of Ramapo?…"

Some of the dozens of FBI agents who raided Ramapo's Town Hall Wednesday afternoon

Preserve Ramapo writes:

Monsey Controls Planning and Zoning Boards in Ramapo
St. Lawrence Appointees Kept Anonymous

May 3, 2013 – The names of the seven members of the Ramapo Planning and Zoning Boards do not appear anywhere on the Town’s website. Clarkstown, Orangetown, Stony Point—they list their boards. You might ask the Supervisor [i.e., Christopher St. Lawrence]. After all, he appointed the members to terms as long as seven years. More important though is the question why does one sector which has the most irresponsible and out-of-control development have control over the planning and zoning for all of Ramapo?

Since St. Lawrence has chosen to keep the names out of site on his website, we will start with the members and then look at the various liabilities for giving Monsey majority control on these two panels.

Most of the villages in the Town of Ramapo don’t have a voice on either of these boards. These include Airmont, Chestnut Ridge, Hillburn, New Hempstead, Montebello, Sloatsburg, Suffern, and Wesley Hills. On the other hand, Monsey has a better than 70% majority/super majority voice on planning and zoning decisions that affect all the villages throughout the town. Spring Valley has a presence, although it’s a 2 against 5 on both boards. And keep in mind, Spring Valley is hardly a model for reasonable, or even legitimate development. The federal agents at the present time are still sorting through housing records in Spring Valley to make a final list of charges for the Mayor, Deputy Mayor, the Monsey developer, and whomever else catches their attention.…

[Highlights in red added by FailedMessiah.com.]

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Comments

[ruthie]

how corrupt can they get?
mr. scott gets 6 months on the board!!
it's painfully funny how obvious this is.

[Jeff]

When's the asifa?

[MonseyLuke]

I will say it again. Including the "hand-picked" Town Board, the Planning Board and the Zoning Board, CSL is the master of "social engineering." The fruits of his efforts explains the dire condition of the Town, both aesthically and morally. Hopefully, the emperor will soon be naked.

Luke.

[ruthie]

david,

i was going to let you have it...
but then i thought to myself maybe you're a very very old
and very sweet old man....
so i will keep quiet

[seymour]

maybe the FBI noticed that Monsey (800) and Spring Valley (500) has about 30+X yes 70, tax exempt properties than other municipalities in Ramapo. Interesting.

one cannot keep on doing stuff like that, and then get shocking when the government or others call you on it. In addition the claim of antisemitism will not apply, since people in other municipalities, it seems are not doing the same thing or shtick.

If it is legitimate there will be no problem. However, if not, I hope there will be a cry from the leaders DO NOT DO STUFF LIKE THIS ANYMORE. And not, blaming antisemtism, talking in shul, internet, or woman skirts

David

50 times the average please. Do not forget many of us come from frum families we know what is going on

[MonseyLuke]

"i was going to let you have it..."

[Watching Ruthie put away the bat.]

:)

Luke.

[Mcommenter]

The raid is great news but let's not celebrate until St.Lawrence and others are behind bars.
I figure St.Lawrence is hoping his hassidic/haredi masters will use their pull to rescue him. Of course they'll be happy to dump St.Lawrence and install another chump.
Question is, does St.Lawrence have enough on them to force them to act to save him?

[ruthie]

how well you know me luke. laughing....i was going to verbally attack but thought what if he's really just a sweet old man!
we must meet

[ah-pee-chorus]

in monsey there are a total of 3,100 homes.

how many of the 700+ tax exempt buildings are homes fraudulently claiming to be shuls? i'm guessing over 95% .

[ruthie]

The names of the seven members of the Ramapo Planning and Zoning Boards do not appear anywhere on the Town’s website.

these are the first words of the above article.
omg
they have been too comfortable for too long.
the hasidim should just realize how lucky they are to live in a county that has been so good to them....so free.....instead they just bulldozed over everyone and everything that wasn't gefillte fish, cholov yisroel,
and chulent.

[ruthie]

ah-pee-chorus

how many fraudulently collect food stamps and medicaid.
and i'm just talking about the rich ones.
omg.
sooooo many.
the poor ones...i'm the first one to support that they get any kind of help available.
but the lying on the applications!! which was helped by community outreach center on melnick that received millions from albany.
hellllo FBI you here? hello
oh and check out rabbi schwartz in wesley hills on powder horn...
what a thief.....THEY'RE ALL AROUND....AHHHGGGGGGGGGGGG

[Devorah]

"Question is, does St.Lawrence have enough on them to force them to act to save him?"

Ten years of their payoffs to St. Lawrence. Off shore bank accounts and at least 3 new large homes. He doesn't earn THAT much as a town supervisor. I have been noticing his suits and they appear to be custom made or at least very fine quality.

[dh]

Next, Ramapo / ER orthodox opportunists will open shop in the soon to be lucrative Bailbond biz?

[ruthie]

devorah,

we'll see...
i wonder if his phones are tapped?
how can he even meet with anyone?
lol
any hasid is afraid to be seen with him now.
unless money is exchanged. just like a drug deal going down.

[MonseyLuke]

"The raid is great news but let's not celebrate until St.Lawrence and others are behind bars.
I figure St.Lawrence is hoping his hassidic/haredi masters will use their pull to rescue him. Of course they'll be happy to dump St.Lawrence and install another chump.
Question is, does St.Lawrence have enough on them to force them to act to save him?"

Mcommenter:

I do not think "their" reach extends into the FBI. If CSL is guilty and is arrested his focus is going to be throwing everyone and anyone under the bus to reduce his charges. Believe me, no one will be spared, no one. [Well maybe his children.] Then he will either serve no time, or reduced time, and be released. Since we currently have no law barring it, he will collect his pension and move somewhere south and into seclusion.

As for "celebrating," there is no celebrating for me. I wish him no ill will. I just wish he would go away, far away.

Luke.

[dh]

1. Bernie's Bail & Brucha
2. Bail by Bubbie
3. Weberman's Easy In / Easy Out Bail Service
4. Yossi's Yids Bond and Bondage

[ruthie]

dh

REALLY funny
laughing
but oh! so true omg

[ruthie]

luke:

well said. i agree
i do feel a bit of ill will towards him....he hurt us as a community
a community of being respected jewish orthodox citizens and a community that's not jewish and were thrown under the bus
for the jewish community.
luke, he hurt us....in many senses
what a piece of garbage that man is..
and this goes back according to a neighbor that knew him when he
was coming in for drinks at a local bar in suffern or airmont...forget the name now...he's been a predator for too long. and i mean that in the strongest way possible.
and the little jews thought they had a friend. omg

[MonseyLuke]

"we must meet"

Ruthie:

At the arraignments. It's in my book! BTW, I think we should elect Yossi G. Supervisor. With his communication skills and PR releases of the quality that they are, we would never know what was going on. Hence, less stress.

Luke.

[MonseyLuke]

"4. Yossi's Yids Bond and Bondage"

DH:

That's a visual all in itself. :)

Luke.

[MonseyLuke]

"i do feel a bit of ill will towards him"

Ruthie:

I can understand you having those feelings. I just process things differently. He did hurt our community and completely destroyed Monsey but also, we let him.

The bar you reference is the old Eureka House on Campbell Avenue. Back in the day when he was a ne'er-do-well "investment advisor," he practically lived in that place. It was his personal inadequacies as a person and a businessman that moved him towards politics, where substance is not required, but b*llsh*t is. He is and always has been a distasteful man.

Luke.

[ruthie]

no, it's the bar on the corner of 59 and airmont road across from
the diner. my neighbor told me about that one...or was it the one
across from walmart before it was that italian restaurant?
but i'm sure he hit a few bars.

[MonseyLuke]

"but i'm sure he hit a few bars."

Ruthie:

He did and he still does. I do know Eureka was one. I guess he spread himself around. :)

Luke.

[ruthie]

i hope baila (his exgirlfriend who is VERY NICE and he also helped her
become a ramapo cop) talks.
i really hope so

[ruthie]

oops
i wonder if mrs. CSL is reading this.
sorry!

[MonseyLuke]

"oops
i wonder if mrs. CSL is reading this.
sorry!"

Ruthie:

ROTF LOL LOL. OMG-d, I almost choked. :)

Mrs. CSL is really a lovely lady. I cannot figure that relationship out.

Luke.

[Mcommenter]

"but i'm sure he hit a few bars."

Hopefully the next bunch of bars he hits will be the ones of his jail cell.

No, they don't have much reach into the FBI, but political pull can bail them out.
I can see a scenario where CSL sings for a slap on the wrist, then the targets of his song get away with minor consequences.
Remember how New Square was able to get Pres Clinton tho pardon their rabbis.

[Mcommenter]

FWIW Mcommenter = JewishCynic
Since I had to sign up for typepad I decided to use a different screen name.

[MonseyLuke]

Mcommenter:

"Hopefully the next bunch of bars he hits will be the ones of his jail cell."

Brilliant ! :)

"Remember how New Square was able to get Pres Clinton tho pardon their rabbis."

Like it was yesterday. Somehow though CSL would not warrant that type of intervention.
I think he would sing and hope for the best.

"FWIW Mcommenter = JewishCynic"

I thought you looked familiar. :)

Luke.

[dh]

MonseyLuke | May 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

It's a gift... or in this case, a curse.

[dh]

thank you, ruthie.

[Devorah]

Who paid for the Ramapo police to guard the Asifa at the stadium last week? There was a lot of overtime for them, and non chasids tried to buy tickets and were turned away.

[Devorah]

"While I understand that this was a private event, I vigorously object to the Town of Ramapo renting a public site to a group that discriminates. In this case, my being a woman and my husband not being Hasidic meant that we could not attend. If any other group that discriminates based on gender, race, religion, sexual preference and/or disability requested the use of the publicly owned ballpark (or any other public facility), I believe it would be inappropriate — and perhaps illegal — to rent the facility to them. I urge the Town of Ramapo to adopt a non-discriminatory policy regarding the use of town-owned facilities.

Further, I request public disclosure regarding the cost of the police officers. If their pay was covered by public tax dollars, I find that shameful and grossly improper. Were our taxes used to pay for the police to enforce my being discriminated against? If so, the officials responsible for this decision and policy should be properly disciplined and removed from office."

[dh]

Skokie

[MonseyLuke]

Devorah:

CSL said [I think on News 12] that the group would have their own security and that the police at the event were on their "regular" patrols. I drove past there that night and there was one patrol car on Rte 45 with two officers standing next to it, another two patrol cars at the western entrance and I assume, at least one other in the stadium parking lot. If that is regular patrol then the empty stadium must be a high crime area.

He also said the group would be responsible for all clean up. I guess that is why Ramapo park workers were there on Friday morning hauling away tons, and I mean tons, of trash. He later changed that story to say the group was now reimbursing the Town for the cleaning.

Besides everything else, this man is a pathological liar. He has the innate ability to be standing in a monster rain storm and tell you directly, the sun is out.

Luke.

[ah-pee-chorus]

MonseyLuke | May 17, 2013 at 02:34 PM

like!

[frumfraud]

"Religious" Jews seem to be under the belief that almost any method of financial fraud is fine.
Mixing wool and linen is somehow more important than the commandment of not stealing.
We will see a rise in anti-semitism in due time if this behavior continues.

[Mcommenter]

Read somewhere they paid just under $6000.00.
Sounds like quite a deal for a facility that size with police etc.
And 50/50 chance the check bounced!

Frankly Ramapo is so financially screwed they should rent it out to whoever (really) pays.
Porn film makers, LaRouche, Moonies, even Satmar - just bring the cash!
Heck it would be a fine thing if the Scientologists coughed up 60mil and bought the thing.

[Eli R]

shuls are exempt, as are schools. while a typical PUBLIC school can have 1500 seats, a private school may only have 200. RCC is exempt as a college, and has many thousands of students. It would be the equivalent of 100 typical Monsey yeshivas. 800 is not at all a large number.
regarding patrolling the stadium, is it fair to say that every x people are entitled to a police officer. lets say every neighborhood of 1,000 people have a patrol. So if the stadium had 6,000 people, that means that less officers are required elsewhere, and the officers need to be reassigned where the people are.
you bloggers are cheppenning on the grude vent..

[MonseyLuke]

| May 17, 2013 at 03:50 PM

You "gotta" love the logic.

Luke.

[Jake24]

From what I've heard St. Lawrence is going down.

[ruthie]

frumfraud,

very true
how very very true...
it already started years ago

[Devorah]

@Jake, what did you hear?

[MonseyLuke]

"Further, I request public disclosure regarding the cost of the police officers. If their pay was covered by public tax dollars, I find that shameful and grossly improper. Were our taxes used to pay for the police to enforce my being discriminated against? If so, the officials responsible for this decision and policy should be properly disciplined and removed from office."

SHOUT OUT to Devorah ! Your post proves CSL or his "friends" read this blog. I just read the JNews article about reimbursement for police costs. No other media outlet I read covered it. So, the Town will be reimbursed, albeit way below the actual value of 92 hours of police overtime.

Luke.

[MonseyLuke]

Posted by: David | May 18, 2013 at 10:33 PM

David:

You are starting to repeat yourself excessively. Clinically, I'm concerned. Please ask your Rebbi if you can see your doctor, licensed doctor, preferably.

Luke.

[Eli R]

please help me understand if I have this straight. We are talking about Monsey, NY, which is in the USA, the country that is ruled by a democracy. Every adult has a vote, and the majority rules.
So if CSL is voted in by the majority of the voters, it is his JOB to represent them, and their needs. And if the majority of the voters are these damned Jews, that want to develop, and urbanize their space, who exactly, and by what legal right does the opposition, and you bloggers argue the point.
The minority of protesters living in Ramapo have the choice to sell out to these Jews, and move to certain places in the universe where no dogs and jews are allowed. I am sure that such places still exist.
Sadly, most of you protesters would not be able to move to these places, because you are also Jews.
Oh well...

[old time brooklyn]

eli

let me introduce you to a concept - equal protection under the law

[Eli R]

old time brooklyn
are you feeling ok? Is there any group that is not being protected under the law? what exactly are you talking about - or referring to.
I am saying that if the majority of the population want to build and overbuild, and make Ramapo, a mini Brooklyn, it is the American way to allow them to do it, and indeed to fight and give our lives for this right. Otherwise, you might as well live in a country where the people have no say.
we live in a democracy, and the majority rule, and most times indeed it results in a detrimental way to the minority, but hey... that's what America is all about.

[MonseyLuke]

Ruthie:

Put on your detective hat. Just came back from Monroe on Rte 17 to 59/202 to avoid Sunday traffic. I was surprised to see a sign in front of Pat Wither's bar/restaurant . "CLOSED. TO BE REOPENED BY NEW OWNERS. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE YEARS." He owned it for years.

It was interesting that he was at Town Hall when the raid happened and actually made a statement . No other Board member or CSL was there. I am starting to think " informant" and "witness protection." :) Remember how he fought the stadium at first, then fell into lockstep. Could he had been "visited" by "someone" back then and encouraged to assume a new role?

Well, coincidence or fact, the only facts I have are those stated above. I would like to know your thoughts.

Luke.

[ruthie]

major clue... because HE WAS AT TOWN HALL when the raid happened...
you may be right.
that is a red flag or smoking gun, as they say in english, yes?
i have a question though....was he anywhere near retirement age...
but the fact he was there....is extremely telling.

[ruthie]

luke,

i believe that sign was up months before the raid.
doesn't change your comment though.

[MonseyLuke]

Ruthie:

Either is correct, red flag or smoking gun. I do not go that way very often so I would not have seen the sign. Remember though, he changed "his tune" two plus years back. So, I guess you could say he had time to plan.
It could be very telling that he was present at Town Hall at the exact moment of the raid. He is in his early forties so retirement is not likely.

As more of Rockland reads this blog these days, I would not be surprised if the JN or Newsday picks up on this.

Luke.

[ruthie]

luke

punkt

he had time to plan..
age gives it away...
and he was there...

[MonseyLuke]

Ruthie:

For me right now, it is just conjecture. Only time will tell what truly transpired. It do know for a fact though, Town Hall is walking on eggshells.

Luke.

[old time brooklyn]

eli

a basic concept of democracy and a goal of the constitution (ever hear if it - keeps your frum ass from being dragged through streets) is to avoid the tyranny of the majority AND majority. this is the usa in 2013 and not Iran/kj/ monsey in 1450 oops same thing as 2013. btw i'm a Roman Catholic married to a former orthodox woman who call Christmas eve erev Christmas - bite me. mazel tov shmeckela :)

[ruthie]

luke,

of course, uber conjecture.
but it's telling that he was there. sort of psychology 101, not that
i'm even on that level but you understand.

town hall is walking on eggshells? ok.
if they didn't do anything, they wouldn't be walking on eggshells.
CSL is probably dead drunk or smoking the best weed and he probably has a pad of paper and pen and is making a list. but at this point, who can he trust?

[ruthie]

i'll tell you who else is nervous.
mashinsky.
and the liebowitz brothers...i don't think i spelled their names right.
yes, they pay taxes...but it's like pulling teeth.
that's why they send the younger members of their families to get food stamps (with all their wealth) why? because they want their tax money back. even if it's $100 a month.
so ungrateful to this great country.

[ruthie]

those brothers built mariner way off of rt. 306 and they
were salivating with building
patrick farm. they're praying. they will be the first to fall.

[ruthie]

Community Outreach Center
on Melnick.
Ripped off millions from Albany.
under the guise of helping the community.
bullshit.
they "teach" the community what numbers will get them social services.
and laugh because they put money into CSL pocket and know no harm will come...just free money. FROM US TAXPAYERS.
well, they had a good thing going.
gigs up.

[ruthie]

don't get me wrong...really
people who need social services, i very much want them to get the help. i love these people.
no doubt.
i'm just furious at the wealthy who get section 8, food stamps and medicaid.
furious.
and melnick drive ...millions millions from albany!
ooooo another computer class...see albany we're doing things.
except no one goes to work.
they work for themselves...i like this...
but i don't like that they don't pay taxes...
and then after computer class...get taught how to cheat social services.
what's the other satmar rabbi's name? hmmm...the guy who had
the original community center on 306....omg

[ruthie]

wow! what came over me?
i blame this all on CSL. he allowed it.
he encouraged it.
he made it possible.
our people, for the most part, are good. except the ones that really went over the top.
i will stand behind the majority who ARE good.
CSL is like a friend that you don't want your children to have.
he must go.

[Eli R]

old time brooklyn
your line of reasoning is brilliant. I see your point completely. It must be your goyishe kop, or is it your goyishe tooches. Most likely the same thing.
Anyway, my best to your wonderful wife. I wish both of you a gutten Erev Memorial Day

[MonseyLuke]

Ruthie:

Way cool information as the FBI is now monitoring this site.

Luke.

[ruthie]

i know luke.
i've known since yesterday.
i want one of those jackets they wear!!!
seriously, i'm happy they're here. (Thank you FBI)
maybe monsey will become the nice town it should have been before
CSL started taking money.

[ruthie]

luke,
i also want to add that it's very important that the students in the
east ramapo school district receive the education they so richly deserve.
CSL stripped the children of east ramapo of their education.
POS

[Eli R]

come...just free money. FROM US TAXPAYERS.
well, they had a good thing going.
gigs up.

Posted by: ruthie | May 19, 2013 at 04:01 PM

curiously, just how much tax dollar are you paying. seems that you are a member of the 1%'ers.
On a different note....
Tuition for an East Ramapo student is in the range of 15,000.00. Compare that with typical tuition in the private sector here in Monsey, which is less tan half that, I think they should be able to get the best education possible. And hey, if not, lets make charter schools for them.