Rubashkin Fundraising Continues

Former glatt kosher meat baron Sholom Rubashkin lost at trial, lost on appeal and was denied by the US Supreme Court. Now his family is raising money to file a 2255 motion in the hopes that this will set him free.

Sholom Rubashkin

Former glatt kosher meat baron Sholom Rubashkin lost at trial, lost on appeal and was denied by the US Supreme Court. Now his family is raising money to file a 2255 motion in the hopes that this will set him free.

Of course, the family doesn't tell you that the evidence against Rubashkin and Agriprocessors was and remains overwhelming. They also do not tell you about Rubashkin's obstruction of justice, his abuse of undocumented workers, and all of the other uncharged labor crimes he committed. They don't not tell you that Rubashkin used Jewish nonprofit organizations he controlled to launder money as part of the conspiracy he headed, either. And they don't tell you that Rubashkin turned down a plea bargain and that he adamantly refused to tell the truth about his crimes, because that truth allegedly implicates many of his family members in the conspiracy.

In the same way, the family inflates the type and amount of support Rubashkin has from public figures – most of the significant public support from prominent people comes from the opposition of those people to the US Sentencing Guidelines, and says nothing at all about Rubashkin's actual guilt.

And the family does not tell you that Rubashkin's sentence – which is draconian – falls in the middle of the guideline's range for his crimes – 22 to 30 years. Rubashkin got 25 years, plus an extra 2 years for perjuring himself in court.

The truth is not on Sholom Rubashkin's side, it can't set Sholom Rubashkin free.

Here is the Rubashkin press release posted by Yeshiva World:

Sentenced to a draconian 27 years behind bars, Sholom Rubashkin’s case, which began in 2008, has had international support from hundreds of former Department of Justice officials, federal judges, law professors, congressmen, and senators, as well as tens of thousands of citizens across the country. He now faces one last chance to fight for justice and freedom from the US Courts by filing a post-conviction motion, known as a Section 2255.

The clock is ticking for Sholom Rubashkin whose mandatory filing deadline for the Section 2255 is October 1, 2013. Jim Wyrsch and J.R. Hobbs of the prestigious Wyrsch Hobbs Mirakian law firm in Kansas City will be spearheading this effort. Together, Wyrsch and Hobbs have successfully litigated numerous post-conviction cases in the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals, including Section 2255 motions. They will be joined by sentencing guru Professor Douglas Berman who is a nationally recognized authority on criminal law and sentencing.

Regarding Rubashkin’s case, Professor Doug Berman said, “2255 actions are not only the only way, but often the very best way, to unearth and document flaws in the prosecution and sentencing of a defendant in a high-profile case. The best lawyers have a terrific track record of getting death sentences reversed through habeas appeals and Mr. Rubashkin is serving a functional death sentence.”

Leah Rubashkin, Sholom’s wife, says, “I am hopeful that the funds can be pulled together to retain this incredible power team as soon as possible, especially considering the quickly approaching deadline. Today is Sholom Rubashkin’s 1336th day in prison. Our entire family is davening heart and soul, along with so many of Klal Yisroel, to be reunited with Sholom Mordechai right away!”…

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Comments

[Unorthodox Yidden]

Why would they need to raise money when they made millions selling meat?

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

"Why would they need to raise money when they made millions selling meat?"

They have a lifestyle to maintain.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

"Leah Rubashkin, Sholom’s wife, says, “I am hopeful that [...]"

I am hopeful that Sholom will slip in the shower, crack his skull and die.

[emanuel]

Very interesting motion, but it is going no where. Short of a Presidential pardon, and short of reduced time for good behavior, I don't see him out of prison before his 27 years are due.

[dh]

Oh, please. Get out already, with your "is draconian."
A) It isn't
B) Even if it was, so what?
C) Draco was a great guy. He codified what had always been oral law and he made the distinction between manslaughter and intentional murder. He was a way better guy than Shlimey Rubashkin and I demand you rephrase, or else!

[dd]

'motion' ? there will never be a motion. the rubashkin family is dreaming . i don't know what kind of world they live in .
there is no room for dreaming in the real world . only if you believe in fantasy , u can keep dreaming in vain .
that's prob a part of their 'moshiah' .

let them keep dreaming all they want .
they will never be granted a motion . the rascal is stuck solid .

the rubashkin fam should also know that money cannot buy everything , certainly not freedom , not in his case .
it's a waste of time and money .

the money raised for his defense should be used for more noble purposes .
his lawyers will get richer and the ruBASH fam will get nothing . zero.

[dd]

...'raising money ' ? they should use their own money , they have millions .

they should not use ppl's money to defend a multiple criminal, but their own . the ruBASH fam has some nerve . someone needs to beat them up or something .

this is not acceptable .

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney at Law]

Hey DD, don't forget, lawyers have gotta eat, too! LOL LOL LOL

But seriously folks...I used to practice Federal Criminal Defense. Have not done so in a long time, and never did 2255 Motion, but....they are very, very hard to win. A "2255" is where the Defendant claims constitutional error- usually, Ineffective Assistance of Counsel- such that he was denied in a fair trial. (Regardless of the defendant and/or crime, all defendants are entitled to a trial- if the case goes to trial- that is free from constitutional error.)

A defendant uses a "2255" after his appeals have been exhausted...it's not so much an appeal per se, as it is a collateral attack on his conviction.

And they are rarely successful. In this case, assuming he is asserting Ineffective Assistance of Counsel, he has to show that 1) his attorney's performance was below the minimum standard of competence, and 2) that such subpar performance materially prejudiced the outcome of the proceeding.

The trouble is, the evidence against Rubashkin was overwhelming. And he did not help his case by perjuring himself on the stand.

And..even if his new attorney's find errors on the part of either his previous defense attorneys or the prosecutors in his case....so what? American law has such a thing called "harmless error"- wherein errors do get made by both sides in a trial- but unless they rise to the level of a constitutional violation- the conviction remains.

But hey- this keeps the case alive. If the 2255 is denied, it can be appealed. If they lose that appeal, they can appeal to the Supreme Court. Of course, after you lose at the Supreme Court, you are kind of out of options...LOL LOL LOL

But hey...if the haredim in the US do enough davening, maybe this will all work out....NOT! LOL LOL LOL

[dd]

leah wants her man home . he is not gonna b home that soon.

usually at chabad , when the husband has to be stuck in jail for a very long time , the wife divorces . i'm surprised she didn't . she's not that young , but still young . not young enough to still make babies , that's prob why .
she's having a good time without her hubby . she gets herself busy . she looks good and happy.

[just wondering]

I really wonder what connection pinny lip shits,Owner of yeted newspaper in anerica has with rubashkin. Week after week for years now he is raising funds for rubashkin.,full page ads.Does rubashkin have dirt on him that he feels he must raise money for him?

[MM]

emanuel, Sholom Mordechai Rubashkin was convcted of federal offenses and is in a federal prison. Federal criminal law does not allow for time off for good behavior. Federal prisoners serve a minimum of 85 per cent of their sentences. There is no mechanism for early release in the federal system as there is in the various state systems.

For example, former Louisiana governor Edwin Edwards served every single day of his sentence, including pre-release time in a halfway house, in spite of the fact that numerous prominent politicians and others with clout tried in vain to convince President Bush to commute his sentence. Edwards was 83 when he was released after serving his complete sentence. Since then he and his supporters have lobbied Obama for a pardon, restoring Edwards's civil rights so that he could run again for governor (and he would probably win!), but so far Obama has not granted a pardon. The only lenience that Edwards got was a reduction of his post-release supervision, so that he and his current wife whom he married right after his release could star in their own reality tv show. BTW the current Mrs. Edwards, 50 years younger than her husband, is now pregnant. So Leah should take heart; there is life after a long federal prison term.

Essentially unless Obama or his successsor(s) can be convinced to grant a commutation, Rubashkin will remain in prison for the next twenty-odd years. BTW reduction of sentence is called commutation. A pardon restores civil rights after a sentence has been served.

[Samuel]

Shmarya, you are such a nebech! It is you who is imprisoned. Let it go and you will be set free. What kind of a life is this that you lead? Gloating, hating, bashing. I feel for you.

[Tony Parker]

Samuel, have you never met drop outs before? It's the classic case of them thinking all the hareidim don't understand, and that's why the hareidim live like they do. As a general rule, if people behave in a certain way, and there is an obvious interest for them to behave like that, then all their reasons and explanations, are likely to be biased. Especially when the the hareidim have learnt a lot more then them, and know a lot more about judasim. A guy doesn't go to shul. Most likely, it's easier for him to stay home, so all his reasoning is biased, and hardly reliable.
Stories here are often just based on other websites, and are NOT reliable at all.
The story about a court appearance recently, was untrue, as the guy was in a different country, and I told Shmarya. I was called names by plenty of bloggers, and still nobody has admitted it was untrue, and unreliable.
There is an agenda here to smear hareidim, and although the original idea was to publicise crime within the community, this website has turned into a breeding ground for racists, attracting people from all walks of life, who know very little about politics or Judaism, all of whom think they know everything. But if you start with them, they call you names.
Watch and see what i mean. (there are some very mature sensible bloggers who do no fit the criteria above at all, and I hope They won't feel included in the above generalisation.)

[Lakers]

'his abuse of undocumented workers, and all of the other uncharged labor crimes he committed. '

He was never charged or convicted for such a crime.

[Shmarya Rosenberg]

Lakers –

Does idiocy run in your family? Or are you unique?

Note that I wrote "uncharged."

The go check the US Penal Code. You'll find that uncharged crimes related to a charged crime can be sentenced by a judge. In Rubashkin's case, he could have received more time in prison, but the judge very specifically said she would sentence on these crimes (although she did reserve the right to do so if Rubashkin's sentence came back to her on appeal).

And then note that the evidence against Rubashkin in those matters is overwhelming.

[Nussi]

Tony Parker
You are so right shmarya can only dish it out but not take it case in point his reply to lakers Any slightest disagreement or critisium is answered with insults , and put downs .
And your right its one thing to expose Haredim and corruption which some of the articles here do and another to belittle and to degrade orthodox Jews at every opportunity .
I know shmarya is going to ask me why I read his blog and just go. Away ( after he try's to insult me and my family ).
The answer is because his venom is like a horrible car crash ,no matter how gory you can't turn away .
Also every now and then he does do what he set out to accomplish but for the most part his hate and loathing for haradim clouds his chose of posting

[ruthie]

lakers,

you idiot.
his abuse of undocumented workers was on everyone's mind.
it helped carry everything forward.

and leah is royalty here in monsey.
and they have money.
and they have chabad rich idiots supporting them here in money too....the rich idiots
feel more religious donating to this "good cause"
personally i feel his abuse of undocumented workers and underage undocumented workers....is the worst...more than
taking out the loans.
example:
when johnny cash wanted to give a concert in folsom prison his
agent told mr. cash
"john your audience are christians. they're not going to look at
this kindly...you playing in folsom prison!"
mr. cash answered "then they're not christians"

[Shmarya Rosenberg]

Nussi –

When someone criticizes me for not doing something I clearly did do – in this case, noting that the crimes are uncharged – I am going to point out the stupidity of that person, especially when all that person does, his total reason for being here, is to attack me.

The same is true with you. You are clearly poorly educated. You lie. And you clearly come here for the purpose of defending Chabad and haredi criminals.

The actual truth does not matter to either of you because the truth proves you both wrong.

[norm]

The filign of this motion was expected. It's routine. However, as state above they are tough to win. Here where Rubashkin was well represntedI would be astounded if it suceeded. His only hope is a pardon or commutation by Obama or a future president ala Marc Rich. My guess is that Chabad will mount a major fund raising campagin near the end of Obama's term to support his libary or such and try to influence him that way.

[S M L]

"...Chabad will mount a major fund raising campagin near the end of Obama's term to support his libary or such and try to influence him that way....."

Obama will have plenty of support for a library without needing to accept or be influenced by the offer of funds from a group of religious extremists with questionable connections who are almost to a man Republican voters.

Can you just about see the headlines: "Obama pardons money-laundering employee-abusing hypocritical ultra-Orthodox Jewish perjurer". Um - no. I don't think that's about to happen.

[Tony Parker]

Shmarya, when I ask you to improve the integrity of this site, and stop it from being a tabloid style blog, when I show you the racist chants against hareidim, and the verbal abuse that follows them, I've nothing against you. You have had bad experiences in the past, and were let down, but one can't say same the same about other members on this blog, that just jump on the bandwagon. They claim first hand experience, but don't understand even the basics of hareidim. They paint all hareidim with the same brush, and then say hareidim don't understand anyone else. They say hareidim are rolling in stolen money, and cast aspersions on their Rabbis. My opinion is you need to start regulating somewhere, and if this was my blog, I would start with the name calling.
It's your site, and your world to do as you wish, but expect people to bash you a little when things look wrong, because your name is on the top.
If I've offended you, I'm sorry, because that is not my desire, and if younfeel attacked by me, better just ignore me and write me off as a lunatic, then to spend time trying to answer. Lifes to short.

[Shmarya Rosenberg]

Tony Parker –

Perhaps if you spent a month or two reading the archives here and you tallied up all the haredi crime and rabbinic coverups, you would understand why so many people are opposed to haredism. You act as if no major haredi rabbis publicly honored criminals or tried to cover up for them, when the truth is that they did. You act as if haredi yeshivas did not systematically defraud the Government of Israel, but they did. You act as is haredim havent done the same to the US Government – but they have. You act like haredi rabbis did not enable and cover up for pedophilia – but they repeatedly have. You act as if women and children were not stoned by haredim in Beit Shemesh and spit on and attacked by haredim there and in other Israeli cities – but they were.

In other words, you minimize or completely ignore the crimes haredim and their leaders commit, and then you accuse the people harmed by those crimes of bigotry and anti-haredi bias. And you do not care one iota for any of those victims. And then you expect to be viewed as some sort of neutral barometer of what is right and wrong, of who is a bigot and who is not.

And the truth is, you are the bigot. Worse than that, you are an enabler of crime who tramples of its victims. And you are disgusting.

[Rebitzman]

@Robert J. Barron

Thanks for the concise description of the motion itself. You are very accurate in saying that they are rarely successful (because at the end of the day they are the legal equivalent of a "hail Mary" pass). That said, Jim Wyrsch and J.R. Hobbs do have an uncanny way of winning these motions - if you have the cash.

Frankly, that Rubashkin is exploring all legal avenues in no way bothers me. We have a great system in this country - and even the guilty have rights.

[zibble]

Oh, please. Get out already, with your "is draconian."
A) It isn't

Of course it is. C'mon. I think anyone that sets aside their hatred of chareidim and thinks about this rationally would agree that Rubashkin deserves significant prison time but certainly not 27 years.

The US is #1 in per capita prisoner population largely because of draconian sentencing guidelines. The whole system is screwed up, where huge numbers of people are imprisoned for drug use. Where violent offenders who you want off the street are often given less prison time than white collar offenders.

Remember, YOU AND I are paying for Rubashkin's incarceration - about $702,000 for 27 years!

[chaim36]

The problem with many in Chabad is that they are not honest in their dealings. When he was offerred a plea deal he should have taken it and show REMorse. They feel that they are invincible.Just try to get any financial data from ANY chabad group. They never will answer that. How much does this lag bomer parade cost and who pays for it ? Good luck, NO answer. Did any monies from chabad pay for any legal fees for SR ? Try to get an answer. Tsedk , tsedek tirdof.

[Lakers]

@ruthie

Sholom Rubashkin is sitting in prison ONLY for Financial crimes, I know you would rather see him convicted for treating undocumented workers horribly (in which he was found NOT guilty) but it ain't happening, you can now go along with shmarya and poke fun of me and my family :)

[WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar]

$702,000 is a small price to pay to keep us safe from this remorseless criminal. Wouldn't it be ironic if the final bill is $770,000?

The sentence fits the crimes and the felon. He has served notice on society that he is unfit to live freely. There is no question that if he is released, he and his filthy family will return to their criminal ways.

Let them keep pissing money away. Anyone stupid enough to give money to the Rubashkin Crime Family deserves to be fleeced.

And don't you think that judges everywhere know about the smear campaign and harassment of Judge Reade by the Chabad Criminal Community?

Maybe you Chabad robots had better get out today and join the parade on Eastern Parkway, where you can help carry those giant portraits of Jesus C. Schneerson, North Korean style.

[GG]

I guess you don't know about talking loshon hora.

[Wigmore]

To add to the great post by my "brother," RJB, a claim of denial of effective assistance of counsel (in violation of the Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments), would be outrageous and a complete waste of time but nothing would surprise me here.

There are so far only two comments on the linked post at YWN:

"
1. Ezra Hanon says:

April 26, 2013 at 1:25 pm

Please – Let’s all pray for the release of this innocent Rabbi.

2.
truthsharer says:

April 26, 2013 at 5:20 pm

He’s not a rabbi, and he’s not innocent.

Once you get those two out of the way, you might get more people on your side to fight for a reduction in sentence."

Based on the second one, there is yet (a small amount of) hope.

[WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar]

The essence of the Chabad position has always been that the saintly butcher is completely innocent of any wrongdoing, and that it is all an antisemitic blood libel against this wonderful man, a Torah scholar of the highest order, whose musings from prison are required reading by frum school children everywhere.

Whatever integrity, good will, and standing Chabad once had in the world of politics and the legal system has been completely wasted away in seeking support for this creep, who is essentially an incredibly sleazy crook and a terrible stereotype of the religious Jew.

[harvey finkel]

To the extent that one of the shul Black Hatters who seam to support Rubischan has injected his stupidity of backing this charity.By .threatening me to tell the police that I am harassing him with responses to his emails to me.

Nerve

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney at Law]

Addressing comments in turn:

@zibble: In 2004 or 2005 (I forget which) the US Supreme Court found the Sentencing Guidelines to be unconstitutional. The Court however, did permit them to be used as "advisory guidelines", but they are no longer mandatory guidelines. Judges are once again free to use their discretion.

As far as the 702K price tag- we as a society have decided that that is an acceptable amount to pay for "justice being served". It's just like when a State (TX, for example) imposes the Death Penalty. By the ALL the appeals are exhausted, the 2254 motions are exhausted...you are looking at a price tag of 3-4-5 million dollars. On the other hand, it only costs around/about maybe 900K to give the same guy life without parole.

@Rebiztman- ty for the compliment. Frankly, my feeling is- if he has the money- go for it! If this firm has a great track record- great! I've often said that lousy cases can be won by great lawyering, and at the same time, great cases get blown all the time by unprepared and/or ineffective attorneys.

If his lawyers find constitutional error- then not only does the person benefit, but the legal system benefits from a wrong being corrected. When the legal system benefits, we ALL benefit.

@And to all the people here venting on Shmarya- there's nothing that he can do to the Chabad or the Haredim that is worse than they have done to themselves, and to the wider Jewish community as a whole.

The is a reason that freedom of speech receives the protection it is granted by the First Amendment- because, our Founding Fathers, in their near-infinite wisdom, recognized the necessity of a Free Press.

[Tony Parker]

Shmarya, if you compare the crime by hareidim, it won't hold a candle to what goes on elsewhere in the world. try wikipedia for Jimmy Savile.

[dh]

Zibble, Shmarya, you're both anti-Drac-ites.

Rubashkin forced every one of his consumers to violate personal, religious and US law and to abet their crimes. And he / they did it proudly.

Bravo Draco.

[WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar]

++Tony Parker | April 28, 2013 at 10:55 AM++

Yeah, that's the new frumma morality. "The goyem are even worse".

[Deremes]

WoolSilkCotton- do you think that prison is stiff enough for Rubashkin or he is a threat for society from inside prison and therefore you would agree with your colleague "Nigritude Ultramarine" who posted 11:09 PM:
"Leah Rubashkin, Sholom’s wife, says, “I am hopeful that [...]"
I am hopeful that Sholom will slip in the shower, crack his skull and die.""
what you think,WSC?

[jancsibacsi]

Nussi --Dont blame shamrya for the hate of hareidim they themselfs bring it on themselfs,its easy to hate them and difficult to like them,and i am an orthodox yid in fact was one of them but my mind opened up and can see right from wrong,those that have to show example to the rest of jews do just the opposite they damaged the whole of jewdism by their everyday hearing a new theft and molestation commited by the wholier then thous.

[WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar]

Deremes, I do not know if Rubashkin has directed any criminal activities from inside the prison via messages, etc. I am sure he is being monitored, as well as his crooked family.

Although NU's comment may have been a bit over the top, our statements here do not have the power to make such things happen, and so I dismiss it as hyperbole. After several years of reading NU's comments here, he or she does not come across as a violent person, and so I don't see it as too big a deal.

I am reminded of the time that Rubashkin's trial was postponed for a day or two while he was treated for a bacterial infection on his arm. I remarked that one tiny bacteria administered more justice than all the lawyers and courts had done.

If you believe that his 27 year sentence is no different than a death sentence- and the frumma have stated that that's how they feel- then what's the problem with the slipping in the shower scenario? Taxpayers could save $702,000. I'm sure you are in favor of reducing taxes, aren't you?

[jancsibacsi]

Deremes-The rubashkins almost match in crookedness the satmerers:) the satmerers outdo the chabads when it comes to crookedness by far.

[Deremes]

WoolSilkCotton- there is a saying,"the two most looked up professions are doctors and lawyers,however,they both do things that normal people wont do- a doctor CUTS people and a lawyer frees criminals".
It always bothered me why people would say this about doctors where doctors do their job out of compassion.But after your comment of 12:29 pm im at a loss. I wonder if you were at this level before you became a doctor or you stooped to this level after you became a doctor.
Just unbelievable that an educated person should make such a comment about another human being whose worst crime that he stole money hurt people bla bla bla.The man didn't kill anyone or put someone it the hospital and still WSC wants him dead.

[Jake24]

Just wondering about the connection between @Tony Parker and @Lakers? Is it one guy sockpuppeting? For those who don't know Tony Parker is a star basketball player on the Spurs currently playing against the Los Angeles Lakers.

[Isa]

""".you are looking at a price tag of 3-4-5 million dollars. On the other hand, it only costs around/about maybe 900K to give the same guy life without parole. """

What is NOT calculated in, is health care costs then it sort of even things out.

For the truly wicked [i.e. Boston bomber] since 'Sparky' the electric chair is no longer in use. Getting stuck in some maximum prison, solitary confinement is a worst end than just painless lethal injection

[James]

Deremes,
WoolCotton is one of those judgemental f**ckers, with zero compassion, who must have a shitload of creepy crawlies in his closet.
Pretty sure the guy is no doctor, even if he is, he took no Hippocratic Oath.

[WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar]

If you ever actually read the full original version of the Hippocratic Oath, and if you practiced what it said, you would lose your medical license. Example: "...I will not help any woman giving birth if the baby was conceived out of wedlock..." It's difficult to find a copy of the original version. Most websites offer the modified feel-good version.

The Hippocratic Oath is not required to become a doctor, nor is it legally binding. It's like believing MbP is beneficial for babies.

If the worst thing you've got on me is that I wouldn't mind if Rubashkin dropped dead, I'm ok with that.

If you hate lawyers because they "free criminals", then you've probably never been in any trouble and never needed a lawyer. You are welcome to relocate to a country that does not have lawyers.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

@Lakers "He was never charged or convicted for such a crime."

It doesn't necessarily follow that he is innocent of "such a crime."

As you are probably unaware, in our system of jurisprudence there are only two possible verdicts: guilty or not guilty. a defendant is never pronounced innocent.

Moreover, in order for a judge or jury to be convinced of a defendant's guilty, the prosecution must present a case which can show the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

In the case of Shaolom Rubbishcan, he was not charged for his abuse of undocumented workers or a host of other labor violations for three possible reasons:

1. the prosecution wouldn't because a cost benefit analysis couldn't show it would be an effective use of prosecutorial funds

2. the prosecution didn't think it had a case to show guilt beyond a reasonable doubt

3. the prosecution already had enough charges to sling at him to bring him to court and get a conviction

Shalom Rubbishcan was caught with his proverbial pants down. Just because he wasn't charged with all possible crimes doesn't mean he is innocent of the uncharged crimes. That's not how our system of jurisprudence works.

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney at Law]

@ NU- very good bullet synopsis of our criminal justice system. As a lawyer for the accused, I don't have to prove that my client is innocent, or that "SODDI"- some other dude did it- it's the prosecutions'burden to prove, beyond that reasonable doubt, that my client committed the crime or crime(s) charged.

@Deremes- I don't free criminals. I make the prosecution meet their burden to convict a criminal. That burden is on THEM. And that burden and has always been mandated by our Constitution and the laws that flow therefrom...so, I don't free criminals.

It's the lazy cops who can't put the case together; it's the lazy prosecutors who will take a winnable case and blow it by inadequate preparation....that's what frees' criminals. Not me.

[Shmarya Rosenberg]

Tony Parker –

Again, you display your ignorance, your bias – and your complete lack of concern for the victims of haredi crime, many of whom are haredi children. Understand it or not, you are very sick man.

[Lakers]

'I don't have to prove that my client is innocent, or that "SODDI"- some other dude did it- it's the prosecutions'burden to prove, beyond that reasonable doubt, that my client committed the crime or crime(s) charged'

And the the prosecution was not able to establish that sholom Rubashkin violated anyone any of the undocumented workers, just like the prosecution is not able to prove that Sholom Rubashkin committed a murder- Thank you for pointing that out so elaqenetly.

[Shmarya Rosenberg]

Lakers –

You are wrong, which is far from surprising.

The Iowa STATE prosecution proved that AGRIPROCESSORS employed child labor knowingly. But a loophole in Iowa law could have that law read in a way that meant that the CEO, or company head had to know about each specific incident PERSONALLY, rather than know that his company was negligent GENERALLY in this regard. That any normal manager/CEO/VP would have known and would have been (and is) expected to know was not enough.

When the judge barred the federal immigration records that showed that Rubashkin PERSONALLY knew of hundreds of workers using fake IDs and had done nothing about it, the states case was essentially over.

The judge said he did not want to taint the child labor case with immigration issues. But since the child laborers were undocumented, that really was not possible or even wise, and his decision is widely derided in legal circles.

In response to those two horrific rulings, Iowa passed a new law that makes it abundantly clear that a CEO/manager/VP, etc. is EXPECTED to know about these employment issues, and if his company is found to be violating child labor law, he is personally responsible.

(If this confuses you – and I expect it will – realize that in almost all states, a CEO is responsible for financial irregularities even when he played no direct role in them. Here, Rubashkin did play a direct role and we have that documented. That evidence was excluded not because it is false – it was excluded because it was true and prejudicial – again, a decision that is widely derided in legal circles.)

If Agriprocessors had been located in Wisconsin, Minnesota or many other states, Rubashkin would likely have a long state prison sentence waiting for him on his eventual release from federal prison.

You act as if Rubashkin is innocent. He clearly is not.

[WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar]

When I read comments such as Lakers 4:12, it seems more and more reasonable that the best thing would be for Rubashkin to slip in the shower.

[Shmarya Rosenberg]

WSC –

The best thing would be for Rubashkin to openly and clearly admit his guilt, apologize and ask his family to make restitution.

The guy is a thief and his arrogance can be very jarring, but your resolution to that problem is even more horrible than the problem itself.

[Deremes]

WoolSilkCotton- you almost remind me of another famous doctor who was of the opinion that a certain segment of society needs to be killed and one of his reasoning becuase those people are thieves.Know whom im referring to? i bet you do.

Lets all remember how Doctor WSC is wishing dead c'v on Rubashkin.

[Eli, what me messiah?]

Tony,

When the Saville story broke, nobody came to his defense and called him a saint. Instead, people at the BBC lost their jobs for having failed to air a story about his crimes, and for having covered up for him in the past. Nobody claimed he was innocent.

Want to talk now about how Chabad has handled the Rubashkin conviction? Seriously?

Instead of attacking Chabad, as you would the BBC for Saville, you criticize WSC and others who are disgusted by the way Chabad has championed this criminal.

[WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar]

Shmarya, you know I'm just trying to agitate the trolls.

As you know, Rubashkin will never openly and clearly admit any guilt, he will never apologize for anything, and he will never offer restitution. He remains a threat to society if he is ever released, and that is why I feel his sentence is correct.

[Shmarya Rosenberg]

WSC –

Please stop trying to agitate the trolls. Instead, refute them, prove them wrong.

[Eli, what me messiah?]

Shmarya,
The best thing would be for Chabad to distance itself from such a criminal, instead of canonizing him.
Any large organization is bound to have some bad apples. But a rotten organization chooses a bad apple as its hero.

[Deremes]

If you cant prove any sane person that a person like Rubashikn with all of his crimes deserves the sentence he received then for sure WSC cant prove that he deserves dead.
Trying to agitate the trolls is something WSC say only after you cornered but truth is that's whats in his mind.

[Lipa]

". They paint all hareidim with the same brush, and then say hareidim don't understand anyone else. They say hareidim are rolling in stolen ..."

You are so right!
from reading this site you would think that all the Haredim are crooks and child molesters

However, I have s Haredi uncle in Baltimore who is honest businessman ( he works for the government) and never had s sex with a child.

I asked Shmarya to write about him but he refused.

[WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar]

I didn't say he deserves death, or that I wish it would happen.

The fact is that if he did slip in the shower, fracture his skull, and die of a brain hemorrhage, the US taxpayers and civilized society would be better off.

If it happens, it happens.

And if you want to believe that I wish him death, well guess what, I wish death upon evil people who cause serious harm to others. If your beloved hero Rubashkin fits the description, then so be it.

[Bob Guthrie]

And I couldn't but to marvel (not) at the absence of any members of "Rah Rah Chareidim" apologist brigade (Deremes, I can't think of a name yet, Just Saying (thinking outloud), DBSesq, Moishe, moshe zucker, MosheCohen, Shua, avi, ca, shosh, Tony Parker, Lakers, Papa Roni. ShmaryLover, LaC, gopjew, groinem, qwerty, and put a square into a hole) coming to the defense of the Jewish Woman being hounded by Haredi rebbe Zushe Horowitz and his modesty posse in Elad:

http://tinyurl.com/haredim-misogynistic-mob-elad

Immodest Female Victim?. Dear me, no! (ick!). "Leading" "falsely" imprisoned influential Male Chareidim industrialist?. A mo' while we put our knee-pads on.

I would like count the ways this is wrong, but Math and you boyos,... no so much. =P

[Bob Guthrie]

And as for you Deremes, you are already in enough hot water with all your racists comments in the past against the "The Blacks, Them Blacks, and/or the Africans".

You are in no solid standing ground to try to pontificate on a higher moral ground, or in this case, insinuate, that one of the FM users wants the rebbe dead.

So instead of Obfuscate, Debate.

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: Lipa
"You are so right!"

No, no, he is not.

"from reading this site you would think that all the Haredim are crooks and child molesters"

No, no, bubbeh. Nice, old, used at ad nauseam fallacy point you Extremist Chareidim apologists keep using over and over.

Here is nice and slow for y.o.u. to c.o.m.p.r.e.h.e.n.d.: FM showcases the dire elements of a Religious splinter of Judaism, Haredi. Dire referring to Criminals, Enablers to actions detrimental to their or Judea community (unwillingness to teach basic school curriculums, encouraging draft dodging, metzitzah b'peh, drug peddling, misogynistic attacks on the Female population, the defense of Haredi Pedophiles and their retributions on the molested parties families, economic malfeasance, etc...).

Good it?. Good. Now you are welcome to participate in an helpful contributor manner on the ongoing discussion, Or (most likely) continue to lie, exaggerate, denigrate, and apologize for these individuals criminal acts.

Easy bet.

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: Tony Parker
"Stories here are often just based on other websites, and are NOT reliable at all.

The story about a court appearance recently, was untrue, as the guy was in a different country, and I told Shmarya. I was called names by plenty of bloggers, and still nobody has admitted it was untrue, and unreliable."

Bullcookies, NotTony. Let's re-review that "court appearance" debacle ONCE more, shall we?:

Posted by: Tony Parker
"Shmarya, The story about the court appearance last week was untrue." "The one about a Todros Grynhaus. It was untrue."

I will assume based on your terse quip that the Todros Grynhaus article you imply is false is this one?:

"Rabbi Todros Grynhaus Court Appearance." (latest one from last week).

Now, since the whole of Shmayra's article was JUST to announce that Todros MADE an pre-trial appearance in Manchester's criminal court, the implication is that this statement is the part you feel is untrue?.

(let's assume it is, I need to go to breakfast and you are being obtuse).

Well, Shmarya posted a snapshot of the court's paper entry, but I am going for broke betting that you don't take that image at face value, so let's use the magic of the intertubes, and locate a UK courts tracking site that has that docket registered officially:

Incourts.co.uk (http://incourts.co.uk/Daily/Wednesday/Manchester.html) lists the following results:

One Todros Grynhaus made an official pre-trial court appearance in Manchester City Magistrates Court on Wednesday, 17 of April 2013 in Room 12, Magistrate not named, case started at 10:56 am (GMT).

Well, it did happen as Shmayra posted: "Rabbi Todros Grynhaus Court Appearance."

Posted by: Tony Parker
"Bob, if that is the source, ie, a snapshot from a site, plus an assumption that most people make court appearances, that is NOT "reliable sources"."

Oh, no, no, no, NotTony, you are not doing a 180 degree SBS counterpoint here, chap.

Your original disputed point/assertion was:

"Shmarya, The story about the court appearance last week was untrue." "The one about a Todros Grynhaus. It was untrue."

Untrue. As in false, fake, fabricated, not newsworthy,... Not "NOT reliable".

Once again, the news title that Shmarya wrote was "Rabbi Todros Grynhaus Court Appearance", which backed with a supplied snapshot/screenshot of an UK court docket document, Shmarya informed us that Todros Grynhaus made a pretrial court appearance.

Was this true?. Again, Incourts.co.uk (http://incourts.co.uk/Daily/Wednesday/Manchester.html) said "Yes":

*Grynhaus, Todros
*Manchester City Magistrates Court, Room 12
*Wednesday, 17 of April 2013 @ 10:56 am (GMT)

Can we prove further that Shmayra's source image is reliable, and thus the news post?. Actually, thanks to your insistence, yes. Let's take a closer look at it:

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b71f69e2017eea561266970d-pi

*Court name, location, and address is the same as the official data at Incourts.co.uk
*Date (same)
*Individual (righto)
*"For Mentionn"...

Ah, what is this?.

Oh, there is something I missed: The "For Mention" (pre-argument talks), its docket #T20121134, plus the time it transpired. Let's enter this further data in at Incourts.co.uk, hit enter:

"TODROS GRYNHAUS (Manchester)

05/03/2013 Tue, For Mention - Case Started - 10:28 at Court: 14

05/03/2013 Tue, For Mention - Case to be listed for Further Mention/PAD on 06-Mar-2013 - 10:43 at Court: 14

06/03/2013 Wed, Plea and Case Management - Case Started - 10:29 at Court: 14

06/03/2013 Wed, Plea and Case Management - Hearing finished for TODROS GRYNHAUS - 10:41 at Court: 14

14/03/2013 Thu, Plea and Case Management - Case Started - 10:22 at Court: 12

17/04/2013 Wed, For Mention - Case Started - 10:56 at Court: 12."

Why, thank you, NotTony!. The additional data in the image you dismissed as not "reliable" (well, actually "untrue") not only further supports the article as it stands, it actually provided much, much more verifiable proof about the rebbeh's pretrial court appearance.

Thank you so much further misgivings about the matter, NotTony. It actually enticed me to further check and confirm the article's veracity beyond Shmayra's intent. Isn't that nice?. ^.^

"Are all the articles here only from reliable sources?." You know, NotTony, I haven't check ALL the articles in FM for it, but three things are clear after your accusatory dismissal post based on a no-grounded in fact assertion: A) Shmarya's source was more than correct, B) your were wrong, C) and you don't believe, no, sorry, care that any and all the articles here are from any reliable sources.

As the apropos European saying goes: "¿No querías caldo? Pues toma dos tazas." =)

--------

This is the fifth time you have blatantly lied on the forum, NotTony, "claiming" victories not won, or assertions not refuted.

Do you have this fantasies that the posts that puts you in your place disappear after the next thread/news story is posted?. No, lad, they are archived forever, to be brought back to prove your mistales. Ad nauseam. >=)

But do go on, NotTony. You make it so easily to swat your pathetic excuses for the criminals involved, you Extremist Chareidim apologists, you. Maybe proven wrong a sixth time will finally endear you to no longer present falsehoods about te site, and help contribute in solving the encroaching criminality found within this community...

Posted by: Tony Parker
"There is an agenda here to smear hareidim."

...Then again, not bloody likely. =/

Posted by: Tony Parker
"Shmarya, (...) when I show you the racist chants against hareidim."

Oh, good, A chance to redeem yourself!. Do prove us ALL wrong by posting specific comments by users in specific threads/news posts on FM where they are "Chanting Racism" against the Chareidim.

This is for try #7 to prove you are not a liar, chav. Make it a good one.

[Robert Guthrie]

Posted by: Lipa
"You are so right!"

No, no, he is not.

"from reading this site you would think that all the Haredim are crooks and child molesters"

No, no, bubbeh. Nice, old, used at ad nauseam fallacy point you Extremist Chareidim apologists keep using over and over.

Here is nice and slow for y.o.u. to c.o.m.p.r.e.h.e.n.d.: FM showcases the dire elements of a Religious splinter of Judaism, Haredi. Dire referring to Criminals, Enablers to actions detrimental to their or Judea community (unwillingness to teach basic school curriculums, encouraging draft dodging, metzitzah b'peh, drug peddling, misogynistic attacks on the Female population, the defense of Haredi Pedophiles and their retributions on the molested parties families, economic malfeasance, etc...).

Good it?. Good. Now you are welcome to participate in an helpful contributor manner on the ongoing discussion, Or (most likely) continue to lie, exaggerate, denigrate, and apologize for these individuals criminal acts.

Easy bet.

[Robert Guthrie]

Posted by: Tony Parker
"Stories here are often just based on other websites, and are NOT reliable at all.

The story about a court appearance recently, was untrue, as the guy was in a different country, and I told Shmarya. I was called names by plenty of bloggers, and still nobody has admitted it was untrue, and unreliable."

Bullcookies, NotTony. Let's re-review that "court appearance" debacle ONCE more, shall we?:

Posted by: Tony Parker
"Shmarya, The story about the court appearance last week was untrue." "The one about a Todros Grynhaus. It was untrue."

I will assume based on your terse quip that the Todros Grynhaus article you imply is false is this one?:

"Rabbi Todros Grynhaus Court Appearance." (latest one from last week).

Now, since the whole of Shmayra's article was JUST to announce that Todros MADE an pre-trial appearance in Manchester's criminal court, the implication is that this statement is the part you feel is untrue?.

(let's assume it is, I need to go to breakfast and you are being obtuse).

Well, Shmarya posted a snapshot of the court's paper entry, but I am going for broke betting that you don't take that image at face value, so let's use the magic of the intertubes, and locate a UK courts tracking site that has that docket registered officially:

Incourts.co.uk (http://incourts.co.uk/Daily/Wednesday/Manchester.html) lists the following results:

One Todros Grynhaus made an official pre-trial court appearance in Manchester City Magistrates Court on Wednesday, 17 of April 2013 in Room 12, Magistrate not named, case started at 10:56 am (GMT).

Well, it did happen as Shmayra posted: "Rabbi Todros Grynhaus Court Appearance."

Posted by: Tony Parker
"Bob, if that is the source, ie, a snapshot from a site, plus an assumption that most people make court appearances, that is NOT "reliable sources"."

Oh, no, no, no, NotTony, you are not doing a 180 degree SBS counterpoint here, chap.

Your original disputed point/assertion was:

"Shmarya, The story about the court appearance last week was untrue." "The one about a Todros Grynhaus. It was untrue."

Untrue. As in false, fake, fabricated, not newsworthy,... Not "NOT reliable".

Once again, the news title that Shmarya wrote was "Rabbi Todros Grynhaus Court Appearance", which backed with a supplied snapshot/screenshot of an UK court docket document, Shmarya informed us that Todros Grynhaus made a pretrial court appearance.

Was this true?. Again, Incourts.co.uk (http://incourts.co.uk/Daily/Wednesday/Manchester.html) said "Yes":

*Grynhaus, Todros
*Manchester City Magistrates Court, Room 12
*Wednesday, 17 of April 2013 @ 10:56 am (GMT)

Can we prove further that Shmayra's source image is reliable, and thus the news post?. Actually, thanks to your insistence, yes. Let's take a closer look at it:

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b71f69e2017eea561266970d-pi

*Court name, location, and address is the same as the official data at Incourts.co.uk
*Date (same)
*Individual (righto)
*"For Mentionn"...

Ah, what is this?.

Oh, there is something I missed: The "For Mention" (pre-argument talks), its docket #T20121134, plus the time it transpired. Let's enter this further data in at Incourts.co.uk, hit enter:

"TODROS GRYNHAUS (Manchester)

05/03/2013 Tue, For Mention - Case Started - 10:28 at Court: 14

05/03/2013 Tue, For Mention - Case to be listed for Further Mention/PAD on 06-Mar-2013 - 10:43 at Court: 14

06/03/2013 Wed, Plea and Case Management - Case Started - 10:29 at Court: 14

06/03/2013 Wed, Plea and Case Management - Hearing finished for TODROS GRYNHAUS - 10:41 at Court: 14

14/03/2013 Thu, Plea and Case Management - Case Started - 10:22 at Court: 12

17/04/2013 Wed, For Mention - Case Started - 10:56 at Court: 12."

Why, thank you, NotTony!. The additional data in the image you dismissed as not "reliable" (well, actually "untrue") not only further supports the article as it stands, it actually provided much, much more verifiable proof about the rebbeh's pretrial court appearance.

Thank you so much further misgivings about the matter, NotTony. It actually enticed me to further check and confirm the article's veracity beyond Shmayra's intent. Isn't that nice?. ^.^

"Are all the articles here only from reliable sources?." You know, NotTony, I haven't check ALL the articles in FM for it, but three things are clear after your accusatory dismissal post based on a no-grounded in fact assertion: A) Shmarya's source was more than correct, B) your were wrong, C) and you don't believe, no, sorry, care that any and all the articles here are from any reliable sources.

As the apropos European saying goes: "¿No querías caldo? Pues toma dos tazas." =)

--------

This is the fifth time you have blatantly lied on the forum, NotTony, "claiming" victories not won, or assertions not refuted.

Do you have this fantasies that the posts that puts you in your place disappear after the next thread/news story is posted?. No, lad, they are archived forever, to be brought back to prove your mistales. Ad nauseam. >=)

But do go on, NotTony. You make it so easily to swat your pathetic excuses for the criminals involved, you Extremist Chareidim apologists, you. Maybe proven wrong a sixth time will finally endear you to no longer present falsehoods about te site, and help contribute in solving the encroaching criminality found within this community...

Posted by: Tony Parker
"There is an agenda here to smear hareidim."

...Then again, not bloody likely. =/

Posted by: Tony Parker
"Shmarya, (...) when I show you the racist chants against hareidim."

Oh, good, A chance to redeem yourself!. Do prove us ALL wrong by posting specific comments by users in specific threads/news posts on FM where they are "Chanting Racism" against the Chareidim.

This is for try #7 to prove you are not a liar, chav. Make it a good one.

[Rebitzman]

"However, I have s Haredi uncle in Baltimore who is honest businessman ( he works for the government) and never had s sex with a child.

I asked Shmarya to write about him but he refused."

You are suggesting that a Haredi that is honest in business and is not a pedophile ......... is newsworthy?

[dh]

When did Bob Guthrie become Robert Guthrie?

[Bob Guthrie]

@dh

Failpad, erh,... Typepad issues. =P

[Joe Field]

Just unbelievable that an educated person should make such a comment about another human being whose worst crime that he stole money hurt people bla bla bla.The man didn't kill anyone or put someone it the hospital and still WSC wants him dead.
Posted by: Deremes | April 28, 2013 at 01:12 PM

You know your batting average is 100%, you always have a way to screw up your argument, when you couldn’t help yourself and you have to complete with “he stole money hurt people bla bla bla (sic)” that said it all, you don’t care about others losses as long your kind is out of jail.

[Joe Field]

Posted by: Rebitzman | April 28, 2013 at 08:52 PM

It’s self-evident that Lipa believes that he finally discovered that his haredi uncle in Baltimore is not a crook, that it is, a major news story. How pathetic.

[John Nagle, Silicon Valley, CA]

Re: "'his abuse of undocumented workers, and all of the other uncharged labor crimes he committed. ... He was never charged or convicted for such a crime."

Right. That's because the two supervisors at Agriprocessors who were directly involved in the immigration violations fled to Israel, with financial help from Sholom R.

One of them, Zeev Levi, is on the ICE Most Wanted list. (http://www.ice.gov/most-wanted/hsi9.htm) He was last seen in Naharia, Israel. Anyone knowing his location should call 1-866-DHS-2-ICE. In Israel, call the FBI Liaison Office in Tel Aviv, 011-972-3-519-7575.

The other one, Hosam Amara, has been caught. He's still fighting extradition from Israel. (http://www.justice.gov/usao/ian/news/2011/apr_11/4_13_11_Amara.html) What's going on with that?

[Tony Parker]

Tony Parker is not my real name, I've said that before. Guthrie; mention, start, end, are not words that have anything to do with appearance. You can be mentioned without being in person. If I ever wrote that I don't believe the crime happened, that does not mean I excuse a crime if it happened. shmarya, yes, the goyim are worse BECAUSE statistically there are more of them. Any Jew is just as capable of crime. I'm not suggesting that Hareidi crimes are always less then non hareidi crime. I'm pointing out that put in perspective, the hareidi crime is miniscul compared to what goes on all around.
The Jimmy Savile case was covered up for LONGER THAN ANY hareidi crime, and people who SAW abuse first hand, even on stage, kept silent. A BBC documentary, about MASSIVE Jimmy Savile abuse, was BLOCKED years ago. A complete COVER UP! I think you needed to read on, before claiming hareidim cover up, but the BBC doesn't. The crimes were so massive, that the police in UK had to take on extra staff to process all the cases! Now that's crime.

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: Tony Parker
"Tony Parker is not my real name, I've said that before."

No duh. Why do you think I address you as NotTony (did you missed that tiny part on all the posts?).

"If I ever wrote that I don't believe the crime happened, that does not mean I excuse a crime if it happened.

No, no the problem here is you don't believe in ANY of the crimes that Shmarya has ever posted, NoTony. You have been smacked three times around with facts about the Rabbi Todros Grynhaus Court Appearance in three different threads (which you helped cement further as a factual, much to your chagrin), and like a mindless automata, you just respond to the thrice presented proven fact with:

"The story about a court appearance recently, was untrue."

"I'm not suggesting that Hareidi crimes are always less then non hareidi crime. I'm pointing out that put in perspective, the hareidi crime is miniscul compared to what goes on all around."

Well, again, moot points there based in two proven reasons: One, this is Failed Messiah. The uncovering and exposure of the criminal elements within Extremism Chareidi is one of the main points of the forum ("minuscule" as it be compared to the rest of the seven billions Human Beings on Planet Earth), and, two, you just don't want to acknowledge that any news posts about subjects here are valid anyways.

"The Jimmy Savile case!..."

Wrong forum, guv'nor, go discuss the matter on the Guardian, ITV or BBC sites. Once more: Failed Messiah: One of the many reasons for it is for the exposure of the criminal and Human potential negligent elements within the Judaic's Religious offshoot, Haredi (mainly their Extremist elements).

You want a Goyim counterpart to this site?, Google "Extremist Christian Fundamentalist/Evangelical", laddie

"Now that's crime."

Yes, Sholom Rubashkin's deeds are indeed so, aren't they, NotTony?. Now go posts some comments that this site is just a hive of biased Nazi, Anti-Semite, Jew haters, with an open agenda to destroy the whole of Haredim with news that cast damaging aspersions that are not newsworthy and/or untrue, while you undure a barrage of assaults of most ignoble character for doing so.

You wittle White Knight apologist, you.

[WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar]

++However, I have s Haredi uncle in Baltimore who is honest businessman ( he works for the government) and never had s sex with a child.++

You had to go 300 miles away from the NYC area to find one haredi who is not a crook? What if you wanted to find 2 honest haredim? How far would you have to travel?

[Shmarya Rosenberg]

Tony Parker –

Rabbi Yehuda Kolkos child molestation was covered up for almost 40 years – while he actively diddled kids. That is just one example. There are many more. Your problem is that you lack any empathy for the victims and you show no concern for making sure there are no more victims in the future. Instead, you use your very underwhelming mental and ethical talents to to excuse these crimes by moronically claiming that since Jews are a minority, and haredim a minority among Jews, their crimes do not count. And you also just do not seem to know about many of these crimes – even though they are documented well in excess of halakhas minimum requirement.

You are a very sick little man.

[Stephen the shepherd]

KLAL YISRAEL is a sick of reading of your BEGGING FOR FUNDS FOR A CONVICTED FELON WHO ACTUALLY GOT off quite lightly.hE MUST SIT REPENT AND IN HIS FREE TIME attend to is habaeus corpus application, the shnuck.