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April 11, 2013

Holocaust Memorial Day “Does Not Apply” To Haredim, Haredi Leader Claims

Aryeh Deri2"Some 200 to 300 young people launched the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, and in other ghettos there were more survivors. Is the grandmother who survived in Lodz worth less than those 200 individuals who launched the uprising?"

Aryeh Deri2
Aryeh Deri

Holocaust Memorial Day “Does Not Apply” To Haredim, Haredi Leader Claims
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

The co-chairman of the Sefardi haredi Shas Party, Aryeh Deri, told haredi radio station Kol Barama today that Yom HaShoah, Holocaust Remembrance Day, “does not apply” to haredim, Israel Hayom reports.

The interview with Deri is scheduled to air tonight.

"Personally, I don't see any sanctity or distinctiveness in this day. Israel's Chief Rabbinate has designated the 10th of Tevet [the Hebrew month corresponding to December-January] as a general mourners' day, and that is they day when, religiously speaking, we remember the victims of the Holocaust. Then came the state, the secular authorities, and decided that Holocaust Remembrance Day would be in the month of Nisan, and we all know that you don't mourn during the month of Nisan [March-April] and that there are special rules on the issue in Jewish law,” Deri reportedly said, noting that the Nisan date was chosen because of the anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, which falls on the eve of Passover in the month of Nisan. He reportedly argued that the anniversary of the ghetto uprising should not serve as the basis for Yom HaShoah, because so many Jews were killed in the uprising.

Jewish ghetto fighters, vastly outnumbered and underarmed, held off German troops for almost one month. 7,000 Jews were killed and tens of thousands were captured and deported to death camps or labor camps. But the uprising shocked the Nazi machine to its core.

"Some 200 to 300 young people launched the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, and in other ghettos there were more survivors. Is the grandmother who survived in Lodz worth less than those 200 individuals who launched the uprising?" Deri reportedly claimed.

Addressing the group of haredim who were videoed having a barbecue on Holocaust Remembrance Day, Deri was unapologetic.

"No one can come and tell us about the Holocaust. The Holocaust Remembrance Day that 'they' declared because of the Warsaw ghetto doesn't apply to us as haredi Jews," he reportedly said.

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Why jews are sissies:

Instead of asking where God was during the holocaust jewies should be asking where the guns were.

Exactly how many "Haredi Leaders" are there? Where would one obtain such a list. Also, Aryeh Deri, how may people follows this "leader"?

How much legit historical research done on how many jews were pro-disarming citizens before the Nazis came to power?

I think it's a legitimate historical question.

right!!!!

Sure, and common decency and respect for the feelings of others apparently also does not apply.

To Phil: One in 5 holocaust survivors said they skipped a meal in Israel. 87% live on less than 5000nis a month who asked for aide. Many live on less than 3000nis a month. Gone without dental care,can't afford decent housing, and go without medicine. (fdt for the Benefit of Holocaust Victims) While the "museums" etc go up all around for remembering. They could live in mansions in Israel for the money spent. In the 50's this day was not even observed by many. Theoretically why one might support Deri...While Lapid spends his money on getting his teeth whitened and morning visits to the gym, others are davening.

The Erev Peasach issue Of Hamodia, published in New York, had a magazine insert devoted to the Holocaust. In it an article belittles the heroic fighters Hy"d of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

Rabbi JB soleveichik was against it.
nuff said

Posted by: Jacob Mendlovic | April 11, 2013 at 11:21 AM

do you have a copy of it

I'm Sephardic, and even I'll say it's distasteful for a Sephardi to preach about the holocaust unless they came from countries like Libya, Greece, Italy (though not all Sephardi) and the like. I know Ovadia Yosef is Iraqi, and if Deri is the same, then he really has no room to talk.

But in any event, it's ok to keep celebrating Purim fo a couple of thousand years after nothing happened, but a day to commemorate surviving genocide is wrong because it falls out on Nissan?

Secular Jews declare:
Tisha b'av does not apply to secular Jews.
Yom kipur does not apply we want to fress bacon on the fast day.
We want to march in Israel to show our pride in being gay.
All in all we don't believe in g-d in his Torah.

what is this Meshgoas with this Holocaust day.To whom does the Holocaust tragedy belong? it belongs to all jews and no one can tell anyone that THIS is the day you need to mourn.

Deremes, we await your excuses or better your support, go ahead make my day.

Joe Field,i posted a comment before but cant see it now i wonder if there is problem posting.

The holocaust is a reason why everyone should be armed. If the early nazis decided to beat Jews in the street, many nazis would have been killed or scared off. Think of the western where the lone man with a gun holds a mob at bay. And many yuccas that came here refused to join shuls because the nazis took the shul lists to round us up. We Jews in America must be armed.

if they have no respect for the warsaw ghetto uprising then rabbi akiva should be viewed similarly. just more charedi hypocrisy.

Posted by: Moshe | April 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM

What are you referring to when you wrote “yuccas” the shrub? Are you gopjew's boyfriend?

Posted by: Deremes | April 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM

And? Its dreadful Thursday, we need entertainment.

GopJew - your LaPierre is showing

The term Yom HaShoah and THE day to observe Yom HaShoah was inaugurated by people like Ben-Gurion who had nothing to do with Judaism.The only thing they had with Judaism that they were born Jewish other then that nothing.They didn't believe in g-d and their goal was to make every Jew secular.
So why in the world do we observant Jews have to follow A day that atheist Jews created for their benefit?
Holocaust remembrance day is not really to mourn the victims it is USED by the state of Israel to show the world why there is a need for for a Jewish state.It is also an insult to the Holocaust victims who didn't stood up against the Nazis and to remember in particular the Warsaw ghetto uprising that they didn't went like sheep to the slaughter.
Its disgusting how the Zionist from day one are using the Holocaust every opportunity they have.

"but a day to commemorate surviving genocide is wrong because it falls out on Nissan?"

If indeed it's to commemorate SURVIVING genocide, shouldn't everyone be barbecuing and celebrating?

It is wrong to bring gun control into the debate over the Holocaust. The Nazis disarmed the German citizenry in order to protect school children from mad gunmen on pills. It was a very noble thing to do, and they should be commended for it. I'm sure Jews supported the Nazi gun control effort.

What the Nazis did after they disarmed the people has nothing to do with the conversation.

No one can come and tell us about the Holocaust. The Holocaust Remembrance Day that 'they' declared because of the Warsaw ghetto doesn't apply to us as haredi Jews," he reportedly said.

And this is why, Mr. Deri that the Israeli electorate told you and your kind that you are not representative of the Jewish people and we reject YOU. That is why they booted you and your kind in the election. You are not JEWS. You are a backward cult of shamans and sorcerers. You take from Israel without respecting Israel. You think that seculars should kiss your ass for performing meaningless rituals and reading texts that have been read re-read analysed and debated. Get used to it. The seculars have turned. You & yours will now work and enter the army. Your minions will now see the outside world, realize that they have been lied to and cheated out of their lives to enrich your leaders, and they will leave. Your numbers will decline and you will be left to be what you are: an annoying little cult that the world should have left behind years ago. You demand Israel's respect, but piss on them whenever you want. Your 15minutes are up!

+++The only thing they had with Judaism that they were born Jewish other then that nothing.They didn't believe in g-d and their goal was to make every Jew secular.
So why in the world do we observant Jews have to follow A day that atheist Jews created for their benefit?Posted by: Deremes+++

shame on you! the founders of israel were proud jews who risked their lives over and over again so that their fellow jews would have a place of their own to live in. their goal wasnt to make every jew secular, either. but they did envision a country where jews of ALL stripes could live free from the religious tyranny of others, whether that be christians, muslims or charedi jews.
and the most beautiful part is that those that were atheists like herzl werent doing it for some better standing in a world to come. and to claim that yom hashoah was created "for their benefit" is outrageous. unless of course you believe that the 6 million who died are the responsibility of the zionists as opposed to the nazis .
furthermore, ben gurion agreed (mistakenly IMO ) to allow 400 yeshiva guys to avoid the army. he was in favor of israel having some kind of religious jewish component.

If indeed it's to commemorate SURVIVING genocide, shouldn't everyone be barbecuing and celebrating? Posted by: Bal Daas | April 11, 2013 at 01:04 PM

Not when you still have survivors who went through hell or their families who had to live with their pain. It's not like Memorial Day where you commemorate the sacrifices of patriotism. A memorial for the deceased and commemoration for survival can't be celebratory when people were murdered senselessly.

On top of that, it's hypocritical to claim mourning periods are forbidden in Nissan when Ashkenazim observe the prohibitions of the Omer prior to Iyar (some Sephardim do as well, though that may just be because of Ashkenazi education). A day of remembering the fairly recently murdered is a lot less absurd than mourning over the much smaller losses of Rabbi Akiva's students a couple of thousand years ago. Especially when it's completely meaningless today. Whereas people are still affected by th holocaust.

Posted by: Deremes | April 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

“Ben-Gurion who had nothing to do with Judaism”
I didn’t know that Nazis only killed religious Jews? Did he? None religious Jews don’t count, exactly the point of the majority in Israel.


“they were born Jewish”
Exactly that was sufficient for the Nazis to shove them into the crematoriums. But for you and your kind, that is not enough.

“atheist Jews created for their benefit?”
Are you saying that Zionist created the holocaust for their benefit? Why can you admit that they set a day reflection and remembering, how is it a benefit?


“to show the world why there is a need for for (sic) a Jewish state”
Today there is no need to show why we need our own state, we have one and the only way we will lose it again, is to annihilate our foes.


“It is also an insult to the Holocaust victims who didn't stood up against the Nazis”,
I am positive that the vast majority of religious Jews, who perished in the crematoriums, would have a smile on the faces if they knew that somewhere a Jew is taking ravage and is killing the enemy.


“Its disgusting how the Zionist from day one are using the Holocaust every opportunity they have.”
Are you saying that the holocaust should be forgotten and shoved under the rug?


Although I have no issue with Yom Hashoah, I understand this guy's POV. They are not trivializing the holocaust! They just feel that this day is a totally "made up" day, where the mourning should be included in Tasha B'av (which it is).

Again, I don't have a problem with Yom Hashoa, but I do understand chareidi opposition in this instance.

Next time one of his shnoorers comes to me asking for money, I will show him this story!

Alter Kocker,excellently said!
Deremes,that's it:I am calling the paramedics right away;you need urgent hospitalization for your own safety!

chazal said all future things should be included in tish abov

get real there is no way that they could have imagined anything happening like the holocaust so that point in meaningless

Holocaust Memorial Day “Does Not Apply” To Haredim,

well is does and that is was disturbed them.

they know the reason the holocaust happened was because they the Haredim where not diligent enough to battle secularism and Zionism

so they do not want to be reminded of that and think if only we where more diligent

Its disgusting how the Zionist from day one are using the Holocaust every opportunity they have.

Posted by: Deremes | April 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Even more disgusting to see how the so-called Jewish leaders have bilked Europe for billions of dollars in Holocaust restitution that never sees its way to the victims.

Well let's say we take what Deri says at face value, that Yom HaShoah does not "apply" to Chareidi Jews. Let's further take it at face value this means they do not have to show respect for everyone around them who DOES feel like the day applies to them; they get to have barbecues, enjoy their revelries, etc.
Does this mean the secular Jews have a free pass to ignore the Chareidims holy days, because the days do not "apply" to them? Can they get bus service on shabbat? Can they get bread at a restaurant on Pesach? Can they go out to a movie on Yom Kippur? After all, if Chareidim can choose which holidays to respect, why can't the secular Jews? They must be able to see, anything less would be a double-standard.
(But I forgot. The Chareidim are masters of double-standards.)

Have to love how Deri, who spent time in prison, lectures on morality, halacha and Judaism.

this exemplifies the sickness which is charedism. they talk about achdus , about the need to do mitzvos and chessed. they complain about how many seculars there are. commemorating the holocaust presents what should be the best opportunity there is for uniting jews in that the event itself didnt distinguish between types of jews. seculars and charedim died side by side.
yet the charedim insist on spitting in the faces of every other jew.
in a way i'm grateful for this. behavior like this ensures there will be few who would be enticed into the grasp of the charedi brain virus.

APC - Don't underestimate the "HBV" - Hareidi Brain Virus - it's very strong for those who are succeptible to it. It attacks the entire system by silently entering through the emotional cortex, and quickly paralyzing the wider rational cortex. Most problematic, it is disguised as mere "Jewish Education" and enters the nervous system without one even being aware of it's presence. The worst part of HBV is that medical science has yet to find a cure.

The future of Judaism may depend on activism. There is an urgent need to start distributing black ribbons and raising awareness and funds for an HBV cure to prevent it from spreading furthur to unassuming pre-BT's or pre-MO's ("BT's" are those who have acquired HBV post natal, or after their bar or bat mitzvah, "MO's" are Modern Orthodox teenagers who catch HBV in their post HS year in Israel).

I keep saying this but there is no compromise with theese hypnotized automatons,they will never ever change just like the north koreans until they get money handouts from those who are afraid of them,lets hope the money dries up for them then they will by themselfs come to their senses , after the pain of not being able to put food on their table only then will they wake up.

It can't be a day to commemorate something unless declared by their holy Rabbis and attached with ridiculous rules that they can further build upon to make their lives even more miserable :)

Excellently said, Alter Kocker!
Deremes,that's it:I am calling the paramedics right away!You need urgent hospitalization for your own safety!In the meanwhile,stay away from those knives in the kitchen.

Abracadabra-

excellent.

Has anyone ever met Deremes? I think he was here long before I. He's got to be pulling our leg. Is he W4M?

To Seymour, I have a copy of the article in which Haredim denigrate the fighters of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising.

APC - Thanks. Yours was spot on!

DH - Deremes is real. He comes and goes, but he's for real. He's been here for a long, long time. And he's not W4M. W4M was SO much funnier and a real caricature. Deremes is a real Hareidi who may have masochistic tendencies which lead him to keep visiting this website and demonstrate how brainwashed Hareidim were taught not to think for themselves.

Thanks Abra. He reminds me of a paper doll.

Holocaust Memorial Day “Does Not Apply” To Haredim, Haredi Leader Claims

yes it does. some of our ancestors they share genes with died helping our people escape tp Israel to have the right to speak so today. is not that it does not apply to them, its because they dont want too because of politics.

ungrateful children they are.

The holocaust is a reason why everyone should be armed. If the early nazis decided to beat Jews in the street, many nazis would have been killed or scared off.

Moshe, you are very silly. The people on the ghettos were alraedy armed, and didn't stopped the nazis. if they had been all armed, they would have an excuse to destroy the place with tanks and planes with the excuse to protect Warsaw from us.

dresden was armed with nazis and people. it did not stop the bombs from detroying the city. hiroshima had japanese bases in the city.

o why in the world do we observant Jews have to follow A day that atheist Jews created for their benefit?

because the 6 million dead were your family too, and they were observant too. be nice to their memories.

why there is so many people here that don't want to remember our dead ?. we remember, we remember all, we tell our children. why politics, why guns?.

For the record, it's often overlooked that, while the Shoah greatly damaged the Ashkenazi world, it practically obliterated the traditional Sephardi world - when "Sephardi" is used in its proper sense (i.e., from Spain proper, and maintaining an Iberian culture). The Judeo-Spanish communities in Greece and the Balkans saw 98% of their population slaughtered, and the Spanish-Portuguese communities in the Netherlands and France fared about the same. The so-called Sephardim today are overwhelming Mizrahim (i.e., from non-Spanish communities that had always resided in the East) or Magrabhim (from traditional communities in North Africa, with varying levels of Sephardi admixture). The total numbers of Sephardim killed was much smaller (probably not more than 200,000), but on a percentage basis it was much, much greater.

Does this mean the secular Jews have a free pass to ignore the Chareidims holy days, because the days do not "apply" to them? Can they get bus service on shabbat? Can they get bread at a restaurant on Pesach? Can they go out to a movie on Yom Kippur? After all, if Chareidim can choose which holidays to respect, why can't the secular Jews? They must be able to see, anything less would be a double-standard.
(But I forgot. The Chareidim are masters of double-standards.)

Posted by: Rivka | April 11, 2013 at 03:43 PM

The flaw in your argument is that Shabbat, Pesach and Yom Kippur are not ''Chareidim's holy days''. Even the Seculars acknowledge that they are holy days for all Jews. They just choose not to observe them. They very much do apply to the seculars alike.

Posted by: MosheCohen | April 12, 2013 at 04:58 AM

“Even the Seculars acknowledge that they are holy days for all Jews.” How so?

Since when are you the resident expert on seculars views, vis a vis observing holiday. Seculars observe certain days as a holiday not holy day. The same as in the states were atheists also are having a get together meal, on thanksgiving. Regardless, that they don’t believe in God, that action is viewed as participating in a cultural event, not religious affairs.

I beg to differ with Rabbi Deri. It is totally NOT true that we don't mourn during the month of Nissan. From the second day of Pesach until Lag B'Omer we observe the mourning period during Sfirat Ha'Omer, commemorating the deaths of the students of Rabbi Akiva. We don't shave, don't listen to music, get married, etc. There is certainly a level of public mourning during these weeks leading up to Lag B'Omer. Surely Rabbi Deri knows this; I don't understand how he could have made such an obvious mistake.
The shoah is a painful, devastating period of Jewish History. Rabbi Deri is unfortunately wearing his political Yarmulke, and so makes such divisive comments. Rabbi Deri's remarks do not bring Jews closer together; it would have been better for klal yisroel had Rabbi Deri said nothing.

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