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April 14, 2013

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AE

So this guy has sat in jail for 10 years rather than giving a get? Bizarre.

Apostate

So taxpayers' money is now to be wasted jailing people over religious nonsense? Doesn't Israel offer civil divorce?

I never understood female problems with Jewish divorces. If you abide by religious crap you need to own it and suffer the consequences of said crap. Or else LEAVE and get a civil divorce. The opportunities are out there to be free and live unshackled by religious dogma.

Gold

@ Apostate

I never understood it either.

Avi Rosenthal

Apostate must not follow this blog "religiously" or he would know that there is neither civil marriage nor civil divorce in Israel.

Even if there were (and there ought to be, for several reasons that are off-topic) it wouldn't help religious women who are refused gittin. The solution to that is to make unreasonable refusal to give or receive (let's make it as egalitarian as Halacha allows) a get a capital crime.

S M L

"...I never understood female problems with Jewish divorces. If you abide by religious crap you need to own it and suffer the consequences of said crap. Or else LEAVE and get a civil divorce. The opportunities are out there to be free and live unshackled by religious dogma....."

That's a naive statement if ever there was one. Why should the woman be forced to leave the community and any future children be considered mamzerim by that same community? Why should it all be on her? What if for reasons of her own she wishes to remain Orthodox or Haredi or whatever? Perhaps her she and her children would like to be allowed to see their relatives instead of being cut off. Easy for you to say 'just leave" but the reality is otherwise. These get-refusing men should have their rights to refuse terminated by whatever religious court has authority and be done with it. Haredi societal norms are pathological however for a mother with children who have never known anything else leaving would be additionally traumatic, on top of the trauma of the bad marriage and the divorce.

Apostate

@S M L

It's all just made up stuff.

Sarek

("D-I-V-O-R-C-E", Tammy Wynette)

I’ve tried to quit this marriage for ten years now, I’ve taken all I can
I became a convert because I love this land, but its rules I don’t understand
Like different rules for Sephardim or maybe Ashkenazi
But the G-E-T he’s keeping from me now
Tears the heart right out of me

Our D-I-V-O-R-C-E happened twelve years ago
But he won’t give me my G-E-T , it has been quite a blow
I hate him lots and he should go to H-E double L quickly
Please please you must give me my D-I-V-O-R-C-E

The high court says he must give me this religious decree
He thumbed his nose at the beit din, on that we all agree
It’s just a few important words
So my kids won’t be momzers
I wish that he would sign it now
And bring this to closure

Our D-I-V-O-R-C-E happened twelve years ago
But he won’t give me my G-E-T , it has been quite a blow
I hate him lots and he should go to H-E double L quickly
Please please you must give me my D-I-V-O-R-C-E

dd

@AE,

you don't know religious ppl , i can tell.
yes, they rather go to jail for 10 years rather than giving a divorce , bc they are vicious . it sounds crazy , but that's the way religious ppl are .

Yerachmiel Lopin

The problem for the religious community is their refusal to amend the religious marriage contract to resolve the problem of the recalcitrant husband and to make the revised contract mandatory. As Blu Greenberg has been saying for decades, when there is a rabbinic will, there is a halachic way. But this is obviously not a priority for them.

eli r

from reading this article it seems that only SHE converted to Chabad. He is NOT religious. This shows the hatred of the not religious to the religious. For the want of giving a measly piece of paper to this poor charedi woman, he would rather be in jail for already OVER 10 years.

men are people too

I hope they also punish women who pretend to be Agunot when they don't even have open files in the rabbinute but threaten, harass and harm everyone in their lying path.

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