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April 11, 2013

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FormerPostviller

To YK:

Yes. It says you're an idiot.

Explain what that has anything to do with the lawsuit, the ksa hechsher, or how it contradicts anything he explained.

Try and stay focused moron.

YK

Tzemach forgot to mention how he didnt give his wife a GET for years...that says something

CaliJew

TruthBtold:

Ari Weiss name is still on the KSa website. If what you claim is true, I'd have asked that my name be removed asap. Carrie Lisbon is now changed to Carrie Tabag. Scummy scammers.

TO:TruthBtold

1) All that Lisbon is accused of is true. Many people in the LA community know this for a fact. Many people in Lisbon's shul know this - for a long time.

2) Everyone in Chabad LA knows that Ari Weiss cheated on his wife with a friend's wife. Thats why he moved to LA. If you know anyone in Chabad Toronto, I suggest you call them and get your facts straight...and fast!

PL

Tzemach, you are an ass.

FormerPostviller

I'd love to hear what KSA has to say too. They're the ones who really should be defending and explaining themselves if we are to trust their symbol. There has been no formal statement that I know about.

It'll probably be a 'we won't stoop or dignify this site with a response' anyways.

CaliJew

Smoke the cheap bastard weasel. Once and for all. And while you're at it tell him to pay his mashgichim on time and in full!!!!

Shari

Thank you for clarifying and good luck.

dh

Get a grip yosef. You're here - you read. You listened. You savored it. Your prayers will never be heard in heaven. You're doomed.

Tzemach Rosenfeld

Other than a few yentas, no one has contacted me for a comment or to confirm what has transpired or is ongoing. So against my better judgment, it is time for me to make a statement:

1. There is not one comment above that is completely accurate.

2. There is nothing new about this lawsuit. It is from 2007. It has been filed and of public record since then. I am not attacking anyone or seeking anything more than what was originally filed in the lawsuit of 2007. That lawsuit was filed for a reason.

3. Other then the judge, the bes din, or my attorneys, no one is in a position to tell me what I may or may not pursue. You were not present. You do not know. Whatever you have heard is speculation and conjecture.

I cannot and will not get into the specifics of the case. Again, that is for the judge and the attorneys to determine.
This is not the place to decide or discuss these issues. I have my rights and my right to protect them. For you to make accusations and banal assumptions is even worse than what you are falsely accusing me of.

4. I have not written or published anything at all. As a matter of fact, that everyone is so confused and hurling accusations hither and yon is testament alone that I have kept this matter quiet and private. I have never discussed this active lawsuit with anyone.

5. The judge in 2007 compelled us to bais din to adjudicate certain issues.

6. KSA/Lisbon paid me in full as per the Psak Din from the Bais Din.

7. We have now returned to the judge to address issues that pertain to the lawsuit of 2007. Only because it took so long for the din torah and the payments to be made is this now being revisited. The case of 2007 has been stayed until this very day. It remained and continues to remain an open case. It is not new. There are no new attacks, allegations, or accusations. It is not a new way to exact revenge on anyone or entity. It is not borne of jealousy or my inability to move on. Do the math: Lawsuit filed in 2007. Three years to litigate in bais din and receive a ruling. Two plus years to finally get paid. Equals 2012. So here we are.

8. I have paid my ex-wife in full as agreed and ordered.

9. I continue to pay child support every month.

10. Do not tell me about caring for my children and their grandfather. You do not know my family dynamics. You do not know me. You do not know my children. You do not know how they are looked after, cared for, and loved. You do not know their grandfather. You do not know what they were put through, and how, or by whom.

Did it ever dawn on you that I went through all this for their protection and futures? To feed and clothe them? To recover monies that were withheld from us that was ultimately paid back to me after nearly three years of litigation? Yes, three years of unpaid wages to the grandchildren’s father. Think about that before you spew your malicious and venomous comments.

11. I am gainfully employed.

12. The facts and merits stand alone. It is for the courts decide on these matters. Not you.

If anybody can testify otherwise, I ask that you speak up, identify yourself, and contradict me.

I will not reply to any anonymous comments. Period.

Shmarya, my email address is attached to this post. If you want to verify that this is indeed me, please contact me and I will give you my cell number.

Tzemach Rosenfeld

yosef

please please stop saying lashon hara .we just red the sidra of tazria and mesora . chafetz chaim says even though we don't have saraat (lepresy )today but our neshama gets saraat(leoresy), upon saying or listening lashon hara. the consequence is that our prayers wont be heard in heaven. please mind your business and don't believe evrything

CaliJew

MG,

What article do you keep referring to? All I see here is a copy of a court document.

M.G.

This article which is full of lies was written and published by Tzemach Rosenfeld himself. As you can see the way it is written its as if a two year old wrote it. The grammer and lies are horrible. He is just trying to spread rumors about his past and his relationship with jis ex in-laws. If he was a true man and cared for his kids he would not spread fake and such horrible rumors about his kids grandfather. This is just evil....
For all you that think this is true and keep talking about it. Its time to move on to something new in the world.
By the way, Rabbi Lisbon is the nicest Rabbi in LA now. So is Rabbi Wiess..

CaliJew

TBT:

That is some denial. Ask Mr. Silver if he agrees. Ask the whole Toronto. Nothing baseless there.

Trash? Absolutely.

TruthBtold

CaliJew....
I know Ari Wiess personally, He is NOT running KSA, he has nothing to do with KSA. (what's on their website is old).
Ari is a sweet, caring and loving father to his children and wife. he is also a successful businessman.
Stop writing baseless trash.

CaliJew

So get this......

Lisbons present son in law 'rabbi' Ari Wiess who is running kosher supervision according to their website was thrown out of Toronto last yr.

He was having a long term affair with a Silver woman who is now divorced. He suddenly landed in LA one day after the scandal exploded. Silver still blames 'rabbi' Weiss for the divorce. I confirmed this with a former neighbor of his there. It was the talk of town for months.

Shari

Here's what i found.....

This lawsuit was filed in 2008 after Rosenfeld got divorced. The judge sent them to besdin which of course took forever so the 'rabbis' can get their blood $. Now they are back in court to address the claims that weren't before the 'rabbis'.

If you follow the paper trail Rosenfeld asserts that Lisbon never once denies the claims against him. Lisbon is just trying to have it thrown out based on technicalities.

Rosenfeld basically claims that you can't go to besdin to have a parking ticket dismissed and there are many claims in th original '08 suit that besdin can't and didnt rule on.

So while it is old news, new news? Whatever..... It is not a new attack on Lisbon because of sour grapes or jealousy.

CaliJew

MG,
I know tzemachs exwife fairly well and tzemach too. They are quite civil now and seem to have put this behind them. She doesn't have the nicest things to say about him but I saw them talking at a bar mitzvah recently. They looked friendly to me. He has basically fallen off the radar here. He keeps to himself and no one ever sees him. He bounces from shul to shul if ever at all. We are surprised that this is still a fight. We all thought this was over years ago after the din torah. Lisbon paid up and he paid her. He's never mentioned it to the few friends he talks to. There are details missing here and he's clammed up or never around.

Moshe

Rabbi Lison is a kind and caring man. He is a good father, grandfather and husband. Its easy to find fault in anyone. It would be nice to also mention the good a man does.

M.G.

This article is false and was written personally by Tzemach Rosenfeld himself to get back at R. Lisbon. He has been trying to find anyway to get back at him. Mr. Rosenfeld is a liar and has never paid a penny in child support and has no job. He has been trying to find anyway possible to make/get money. Meanwhile he's trying to take people down with him with false stories and rumors that are not true.
If you believe or trust any word that comes out of this guys mouth at anytime. You may want to rethink who he really is.

Blank

This article is false and was written personally by Tzemach Rosenfeld himself to get back at R. Lisbon. He has been trying to find anyway to get back at him. Mr. Rosenfeld is a liar and has never paid a penny in child support and has no job. He has been trying to find anyway possible to make/get money. Meanwhile he's trying to take people down with him with false stories and rumors that are not true.
If you believe or trust any word that comes out of this guys mouth at anytime. You may want to rethink who he really is.

FormerPostviller

Agenda,

Was a big scandal at the time. They were both working for Cunin. He got thrown out.

I am wondering if this is all coming out now to distract the LA community from the RCC's Doheny fiasco...

agenda

his current wife is his former secretary

David Chu

He was divorced many years ago from Chani Lisbon's mother and is now remarried and still married.

dh

Apparently, not nice enough.

Chicago Sam

Is B. Lisbon still married? His wife was very nice.

Chicago Sam

Is Lisbon still married? This his wife was very nice.

Damsky

My sincerest apologies to the Beatles.

Ooh I need your hechsher,
I know what you need is true,
Hope you be my SA babe, just like I need you,

Oh Lisby lick me, lick me face,
i kick you, you certify me piggy,
8 days a week.

8 days a week, you give me kosher piggy,
8 days a week, you give me cashy piled high

Moshe aron kestenbaum, Williamsburg

Chani lisbon is a lot of fun to listen to, I always enjoy her. Rabbi Lisbon was concerned with the strippers and the shtuppers and the troopers and the hookers and more hookers

CaliJew

What is it with the West Coast kosher agencies? Everything out here is fake, including our 'rabbis'. Disgraceful.

Gimpel the Gimp

"visited strip clubs, cavorted with strippers and prostitutes and had multiple affairs"

My kind of rabbi, one who can relate to ordinary Jews.

Chicago Sam

This whole story sounds like a Chabad Hassidic version of Peyton Place.

Yosef ben Matitya

It's from 2008. Rosenfeld is no longer Lisbon's son-in-law..... Rosenfeld left his ex-Shver in peace.

clearly there was no child abuse gere. otherwise, how did frumsters moyser each other?

FormerPostviller

Avi:

It is not 5 years old. And even if it were, would you allow your daughter to work for this man???????? Would you eat his certified products???

There's no one to dismiss him. He controls everything. A few mispallelim did try and do something and they lost their gabai positions and do not get aliyah's until they apologize.

This is a 'supplemental declaration' so I would assume there are more documents out there. There are offer of proofs to the court. He would be in big trouble if he were lying to the court.

jewishwhistleblower

Case Number: BC378264
ABRAHAM TZEMACH ROSENFELD VS RABBI BINYOMIN LISBON ET AL

Filing Date: 09/27/2007
Case Type: Contractual Fraud (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending
Future Hearings

06/19/2013 at 08:30 am in department 30 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
OSC RE Dismissal([AFTER SETTLEMENT])

Nigritude Ultramarine

"This is a 7 month old lawsuit, and a years old allegation from his estranged disgruntled son in law."

Disgruntled just means angry. Just because someone is angry, it does not necessarily follow that a story is false.

jewishwhistleblower

Shmarya, can you or some of your readers access and post other relevant court documents from this lawsuit and some of the documentation referenced in the posted documents. Are there documents that confirm the arrest allegations for solicitation of prostitutes or the alleged sexual harassment lawsuit involving KSA employees?

I've only been able to confirm that a Binyomin Lisbon born September 18, 1950 was charged with a criminal offense, but I can't confirm if it was a serious matter (as alleged in the posted material) or simply a traffic offense.

R. Wisler

In any event, I'm glad to see "Get the Facts" reply. Rabbi Lisbon was one of the few Orthodox rabbis who was worthy of my respect. I think that his highly secularly educated and progressive kehilla would have dismissed him if there was credibility in these charges.

Shmarya

>>>This blog is the only place where five year old shit stinks!

Avi T. David<<<<

Moron.

This court filing was made late in 2012.

avi

This blog is the only place where five year old shit stinks!

Avi T. David

Sarek

The strippers wear so little clothing, where would the hecksher go?

JJJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk3yXwDdSx0

Shmarya

>>>>

It's from 2008. Rosenfeld is no longer Lisbon's son-in-law. This was part of a bitter and dirty divorce. All allegations from both sides against each other were ultimately dropped, and after a hefty $5 Million settlement, Rosenfeld left his ex-Shver in peace.

Posted by: Shalom Fixer | April 11, 2013 at 11:39 AM <<<<<<<<

False.

This filing is from late 2012 – which you would have seen if you downloaded the PDF and looked at it.

To help challenged Chabadniks, I will post page one of this filing above so you can more readily see the date.

R. Wisler

Former....

When I was out there last spring, the place seemed to be packed for weekday minyonim and full of the old-timers etc.

FormerPostviller

I used to daven at bais betzalel. That place is creepy. I always thought there was something about Lisbon.

Most of the younger mispalelim and quite a few of the older ones have left in recent years. All that remains are broken people like the rabbi himself. He comes across as a nice gentle man but he definitely has issues. There was supposed to be a new rabbi for Passover but he got embroiled in a similar scandal.

I heard the exSIL won in bet din. I am curious what this is really about. Is it an active lawsuit?

Jewish Cynic

Some rabbis take "kiruv" more literally than others

Get the facts

This is a 7 month old lawsuit, and a years old allegation from his estranged disgruntled son in law. This is his former son in law's way of revenge and continuing his attacks on a community leader. rabbi Lisbon is beloved by his entire Shull, and his success drives the ex S.I.L. crazy.

Shalom Fixer

It's from 2008. Rosenfeld is no longer Lisbon's son-in-law. This was part of a bitter and dirty divorce. All allegations from both sides against each other were ultimately dropped, and after a hefty $5 Million settlement, Rosenfeld left his ex-Shver in peace.

ca

Well that was a failed use of an HTML tag. Don't know why I can never use them right.

ca

I was wondering why it was Kedem in the champagne room.

Posted by: Gullible | April 11, 2013 at 09:38 AM

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

Michael

Filed September 14, 2012, 7 months ago

R. Wisler

Great... another orthodox guy who I respected is in the trash heap.

Gullible

I was wondering why it was Kedem in the champagne room.

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