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March 04, 2013

Scandal Surrounding Melbourne Chabad's Refusal To Listen To Beit Din Continues

Scales_of_justice low res"We note your response and apology in relation to Rabbi Rogut. However the Nidui remains in force until you retract your remarks in relation to The Beth Din and its jurisdiction. We understand that in emails to others, rather than show any contrition, you continue to malign the Beth Din at the same time that you purport to apologise."

 Originally published at 10:36 pm CST 3-3-2013

From: "Sydney Beth Din"
Date: Mar 1, 2013 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Kaminetsky Nidui

19 Adar 5773

Dear Rabbi Kaminetsky

I have been asked to convey the following to you on behalf of the Beth Din:

The Beth Din has received your email and we note that you have written in English and we will similarly respond in English.

We note your response and apology in relation to Rabbi Rogut. However the Nidui remains in force until you retract your remarks in relation to The Beth Din and its jurisdiction. We understand that in emails to others, rather than show any contrition, you continue to malign the Beth Din at the same time that you purport to apologise.

 In order for Halacha and the Beth Din system to be upheld in a community , baalei batim must have the confidence to be able to seek the protections halocho affords. The ability of a Beth Din to make appropriate orders must be upheld in order for justice to be obtained for all sides in a dispute , or else anarchy will ensue. Any side to a dispute will do whatever they like using a Bo Koach such as yourself, who will say no Beth Din has jurisdiction. This cannot be tolerated.

In general the Beth Din is not obliged to explain itself, but as you continue to remain in error in relation to this  Halocho we need to clarify the matter .The Beth Din has received in the past clear and unequivocal detailed Halachic rulings as to its status from independent poskim. We have permission from all three of these poskim to publicise their rulings. We publicise relevant parts of those rulings below.

From Dayan Ezra Batsri –Av Beth Din Yerushalayim - A clear psak that the Sydney Beth Din is a Beth Din Kavua and that whoever challenges its status may be placed in Nidui.

 .... הרי יש לבית דינכם דין בית דין הקבוע בעיר ואין בטענות מי שמערער ומשפיל ממש ויש לכל הציבור להשתיקו בנזיפה כי הוא טועה ופוגע בכבוד בית דין והדיינים ויש להם סמכות אם ירצו לנדותו ולהרחיקו על שמוציא לעז על בית הדין שהם נוהגים כשורה והוא זה שטועה...

 ... יש לבית דינכם דין בית דין קבוע בעיר שכך הוחזק במשך מאה שנה ואסור למי שלא מסכים עם איזה פסק של בית הדין לנסות להרוס ולהחריב....

A clear psak from Rabbi Reuvein Feinstein son of Reb Moshe that the Sydney Beth Din is a Beth Din Kavua, and even were it not, any three may issue an ikul and that all necessary action may be taken to enforce the ikul.

מה שאחדים טענו שאינכם בי"ד קבוע א"כ מי הבי"ד הקבוע? ואם אין בי"ד קבוע כל ג' הראויים יכולים לכוף לבעל דין לילך לבי"ד וא"כ מה שלא צייתו להעיקול יש בידכם לכפותם לשמוע

ומה שטענו שסמכו על תשובת אמו"ר זצ"ל בא"מ ח"מ ח"ב סי' ג' זה א"א שאמו"ר כתב מפורש שזה רק על נוא יארק. ועוד מעיד אני שאמו"ר כתב עיקולים אף אחר כתיבת תשובה זו. וא"כ הוי פסק מפורש ממנו שלא צריך לבי"ד קבוע לכתוב עיקול שכפייה לדין הוי חיוב על כל בר סמכי דאל"כ כל הישר בעיניו יעשה ומזה מביא להפקרות וחילול השם

A further clear psak from Dayan Isaac D Berger , Av Beth Din Manchester Beth Din.

... ודין בית דינכם כבית דין קבוע משופרי ואל יפול רוחכם מהמחלוקת ומי גדול ממשה אבי הנביאים שגם הוא סבל ממחלוקת ומטענת 'למה תתנשאו' וזה גורל מנהיגי עמינו עד כי יבא שילה החותם בצער על כבוד בית הדין שנרמס ..... 

In conclusion the Halacha in relation to the status of the Sydney Beth Din and its ability to issue an ikul is clear. Your contempt of the Beth Din undermines the entire Halachic and Beth din process and forces persons either to anarchy or Erko’ois. You are are obliged to retract your statements in relation to the Sydney Beth Din and until such time you remain in Nidui.

By Order of the Beth Din

Rabbi Eli Schlanger

Secretary

Related Post: Beit Din Gives Chabad's Melbourne Yeshivah Centre Leadership Until 5 pm Monday To Comply Before Being Excommunicated.

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It would be fascinating to know, Shmarya, which of the two sides in this sensitive dispute between a court and an individual is making their correspondence public (i.e. available to internationally-read journalists such as yourself) within hours (my guess is minutes) of it being sent. If you think the answer to that is so obvious that I must be an idiot, then leit man d-palig, but it’s not so clear to me, and I was curious…

Bunch of raw disability jews who in the real jewish world are plainly FUCK UPS.

Where can Kaminetzky's 'response and apology' be found?

Posted by: micael C | March 04, 2013 at 05:33 AM

Actually, Rabbi Kaminetzky happens to be a very great scholar, who has acquired more knowledge and is more insightful than you would be in ten reincarnations combined.

Yeah, deep and frequent insights down Fitzroy St.

Fitzroy St?
What's the equivalent in Atlantic City NJ?

It's like North Dr Martin Luther King Jr Boulevard but shorter.

Kaminetzky knows his stuff but is as crooked as they come!

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