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March 28, 2013

Republicans Pass Bill To Force NYC To Expand Special School Busing Program That Benefits Haredim Almost Exclusively

Haredi yeshiva school bus Brooklyn“At a time when the city is being forced to do more with less, it is outrageous that the state would create a new unfunded mandate that will benefit a politically powerful special interest group.”

Haredi yeshiva school bus Brooklyn

The New York Daily News reports:

Language tucked into the tentative state budget could mean a more convenient bus ride home for yeshiva students, but leave taxpayers with a hefty bill.

State legislators have proposed expanding bus service to private school students who attend late afternoon classes. Nearly all of these students are in yeshivas.

Current regulations require busing students who attend classes until 5 p.m. to a stop within a quarter-mile of their homes.

But the new language will require the buses to drop these students off no more than 600 feet from their homes. And students would only have to attend classes until 4 p.m. to be eligible.

The move spurred outrage from the Bloomberg administration Monday.

“At a time when the city is being forced to do more with less, it is outrageous that the state would create a new unfunded mandate that will benefit a politically powerful special interest group,” said Bloomberg spokesman Mark Botnick.

City officials have argued the new requirements will require twice as many stops as before and likely prompt parents of students at charter schools and other private schools to clamor for equal treatment.

Critics are calling the new requirements a political giveaway to the Orthodox Jewish community. It was pushed by Senate Republicans and their renegade Democratic ally state Sen. Simcha Felder of Brooklyn.…

Two weeks ago, the Daily News broke the story of the push for expanded busing. NYS Governor Andrew Cuomo – long in the pocket of Satmar – reportedly promised New York City that the provision for the expanded busing would not be included in the final budget. And then Cuomo put it in anyway.

Last year the city also objected when the Senate's Republicans pushed to require city bus service for students attending  all private schools that offer classes until at least 5 p.m. daily. But the Republicans did not listen to the city's objections – after all, it was an election yeaers and Satmar and other hasidic and haredi groups do bloc vote – and they passed the requirement into law.

Thirty private schools  signed up for the new busing perk. One was a public charter school. The other 29 were yeshivas.

The extra buses cost New York City $3 million.

[Hat Tip: Burich.]

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Yeahiva parents also pay for taxes and yeahiva tuition while public school parents don't pay for tuition it is a tax payers right to choose their children's education and don't see anything wrong with this.

Yeahiva parents also pay for taxes and yeahiva tuition while public school parents dont pay for tuition it is a tax payers right to choose their childrens education and dont see anything wrong with this.

Which is why you misspelled yeshiva as yeashiva and wrote in a run-on sentence lacking proper punctuation.

Since when do frumma pay taxes?

Lots of people without children pay real estate taxes and do not get a benefit for it. If there were surplus funds in the state, it would be okay to give extra to private schools, but under the circumstances, this is bad news. One day there will be riots and good Jews will wonder why, and blame it on Anti-Semitism, not knowing that they, their parents, and their uneasonable demands and lifestyles of taking and not giving back, brought it on. I cringe thinking about it.

Why is Satmar a political interest group? Why don't they stick to religion and being the pious people they believe themselves to be? That they are involved in any politics stinks.

1. NYC public after-school programs routinely run until 5:30 PM or even later. These kids can also benefit.

2. Very few yeshivas let out at 4 PM beyond preschool age. They routinely stay until 7 PM, sometimes 9 PM when they reach middle school age.

Maybe Mayor Bloomberg will impose a new maximum-size law: the school day! He will hire inspectors to make sure that children are not forced to sit and learn too many hours without ample recess time and physical activity. As sunset approaches, the inspectors will fan out to make sure that every child younger than 14 is within 600 feet of their homes by tzeis hakochavim. Special dispensations will be available to those who hold by the Gra and are able to document that their grandfather did so.

But you notice the Repubs never complain about Haredi freeloaders in the way they complain about poor Latinos and African-Americans availing themselves of the social services safety net.

Yeahiva parents also pay for taxes and yeahiva tuition while public school parents don't pay for tuition it is a tax payers right to choose their children's education and don't see anything wrong with this.

Posted by: ash | March 28, 2013 at 07:19 AM

amazing that the frum are not the only one who send their kids to private school however the frum are the only ones who use that argument to milk or even steal from the system.

true holy people

The politicians give the frumma free stuff. The frumma then vote, and give $$$, to them. For some reason, the republicans can't apply this principle to other minorities.

When I worked at Maimonides Medical Center, EVERY young haredi family was on Medicaid, which meant they were on welfare. So where is all this 'tax money' the frumma claim to be paying?

Why not pro-rate my tax bill? I don't need the streets plowed when it snows, because I have a 4-wheel drive truck. I've never called 911, so I don't need a full crew of police/fire/ambulance on duty. I'm against the war in Iraq, so I don't want to pay for that either. I don't care about a few potholes in the street. I don't need garbage collection; I can dump off a bag every couple of days on the side of the highway.
I will subtract those costs from my tax bill, and remit the rest.

Anyone still expect the state to come down hard on East Ramapo?

I had to walk about 1/2 mile from the bus stop to my home at 4:30ish pm in a place with no public transport. But these kids are too fragile, I guess.

(I'm omitting the usual 10 foot high snow drifts, uphill both directions, barefoot, etc. because they're assumed.)

"Yeahiva parents also pay for taxes and yeahiva tuition while public school parents don't pay for tuition it is a tax payers right to choose their children's education and don't see anything wrong with this."

Ash, the relationship of yeshiva chinuch to education is the same as that of a 'massage' given at a massage parlor in Hunts Point to a massage given by a physiotherapist at Maimonides Medical Centre. The fact that taxpayers (through Medicaid) pays for the latter does not mean that they should also pay for the former.

Sarek:

"(I'm omitting the usual 10 foot high snow drifts, uphill both directions, barefoot, etc. because they're assumed.)"

After reading the first few words of your first sentence I immediately thought of this. You came through!

Luke.

Cuomo should stand by his original "promise" and have this removed.

Luke.

Thank you shmarya for the correction, I have a college education but assuming that you graduated with honors at the special education school for spelling bee contesters.

Ps my phone has a spell check feature which automatically changes the spelling unlike you I don't sit on this site all day making sure my grammer is as perfect as shamaryas
I'd also like to point out that your a little child with a yeshiva education being that the only answer I got from you was nothing.

"2. Very few yeshivas let out at 4 PM beyond preschool age. They routinely stay until 7 PM, sometimes 9 PM when they reach middle school age."

Too bad they aren't learning core subjects like science, math and English. Bet they are learning how to scam, molest and steal, though. Since your teachers/curriculum aren't certified, there isn't too much hope the kids will learn anything.

"I'd also like to point out that your a little child with a yeshiva education being that the only answer I got from you was nothing."

Apparently your phone does not have a grammar check. "Your" is possessive. "You are" is contracted as "you're." But hey, what do I know- I'm just a public school teacher (with a PhD from a major university in my subject matter).

Of course the pols kowtow to the unwashed black hatted ones. God forbid they should pay school bus drivers living wages (even the liberal NY Times sided with Bloomie on that one).

The world has gone batshit crazy (forgive my vulgar colloquialism).

Again, schools that do not have a certified New York State curriculum in place should not be awarded any taxpayer funds for busing, speech therapy, nurse, books, etc. So I guess, as it currently stands, a pagan school of satanism can avail themselves to these services too?

Luke.

Notice the picture of Simcha Felder in the NYDNews? The man who ran as a democrat to win the election? Then, who upon winning, said he would caucus with the Republicans. I'm sick of slimy politicians. Our tax dollars pay their salaries; they are supposed to represent all of us, not just one group of people.

Ash is right, to a point: it's a taxpayer's right to send his or her kids to school wherever. But I, as a taxpayer who no longer has children in the school system, am funding a public school for your benefit. If you choose to send your kids to a private religious school, fine. But don't expect me to pay for it. The U.S. public cannot support one person's religion over another.
And if you want my tax dollars, then you get my supervision to make sure the education meets certain minimum standards. You can't have it both ways.

>which meant they were on welfare

or do you mean "very likely"

WSC: is there an absolute connection between MEDICAID and welfare? The reason I ask is that I have seen programs where only children are on MEDICAID, but parents are working and must obtain their own health insurance. And I have seen (in the past) cases of adults on MEDICAID, but low income with multiple part time jobs with no benefits. There do exist low income parents who are employed and working hard in decent jobs but due to the economy many employers are playing games to keep everyone (as much as possible) from being benefits eligible. So I am wondering if the standards have been set so low that to qualify for MEDICAID means that one *must* be able to qualify for welfare, which takes all the incentive out of trying to maintain multiple part time jobs. (you see my point?)

"NYS Governor Andrew Cuomo – long in the pocket of Satmar – reportedly promised New York City that the provision for the expanded busing would not be included in the final budget. And then Cuomo put it in anyway."


Cuomo has in recent months been making appearances at local venues throughout the state to personally deliver his State of the State address and to push for his budget. I attended such an address at a local college here in Brooklyn. There were so many members of the Orthodox community there that there was not enough room for many of the students who wished to attend. In fact, many of the attendees were asked to give up their seats so that these "VIPS" could be seated up front in the first few rows. (I was seated up near the front, the professor sitting next to me was asked to give up his seat to an Orthodox VIP. He did so graciously. The Orthodox gentleman was very friendly, and when a friend came to tell him that he had found him a more "prominent" seat in the first row, he refused to leave, saying he had made a new friend in me. He then fell asleep during Cuomo's address, momentarily awakening to join the applause every now and then.)

Yoel, nice try, but EVERY such frumma parent lists 'occupation' as 'none' for the mother and 'student' for the father.

And when they open their wallets to present the Medicaid card, you can easily see the SNAP and WIC ID cards.

No parent in the community seems to work, and everyone is fully vested in every government program meant for the poor.

Why does a yeshiva qualify as a school under state law? It should be classified as a religious institution and not eligible for any Government benefits under the Establishment Clause.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation works on cases like this. They've been having considerable success lately. See
http://ffrf.org/legal/challenges/highlighted-court-successes#id-12386

WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock --My chassidishe neighbor tells me he gets back every year over $10 thousand dollars on his income tax the wife works part time he doesnt but says he does so he can get back on his income tax he gets all the entitlements sec.8 food stamps vouchers he pays no tuition on his 7 children gets a babay sitter for the past 4 years i know him every year he has a new baby just a few days ago his eight was born he has hidden money i saw it with my own eyes a half a milli in stocks he is a partner in a 3 family building with this othe chassidishe guy who does the same things he does goes to israel twicw a year ,every word i wrote here is torath emes:) true .

Jancsi, it's a culture of nonstop cheating and stealing. Just the worst stereotypes of Jews. And every nonJew I know, who has to work with them, feels the same way.

Born schnorrers - Their greed and arrogance blinds them, they don't know when to stop. Give them enough of rope and be patient just like so many times and in so many places in the past they are going to hang themselves in America too and just like in all those places in the past no one is going to miss them ,...

Jancsi, it's a culture of nonstop cheating and stealing. Just the worst stereotypes of Jews. And every nonJew I know, who has to work with them, feels the same way.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar | March 28, 2013 at 02:28 PM

Unfortunately, it is the lying, cheating Charedim that the general population sees as Jews, not regular, honest, law-abiding people like us.

Eventually, the State of New York and the Federal government will have to deal with the fact that many male Yeshiva students are leaving school as functional illiterates (at least in English) and later going on welfare as they marry and have large families that they can't afford. In the meantime, it is business as usual. I don't know how much cheating is going on, but based on the comments of other posters, it would appear that there is a lot of it going on. Sooner or later, the chickens will come home to roost.

WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well &David--I KNOW THEM BETTER THEN MOST OF YOU I AM SURPRISED YOU GUYS KNOW THEM SO WELL I GREW UP WITH THEM,I CAN TELL YOU STORIES EVEN YOU WOULD BE AMAZED.

Reason #437 why I'm a libertarian.

Based upon what happened with the government payments to yeshivas to get them on the internet, I question whether this money gets used to pay for busing students or whether it will just be "diverted" into some rebbe's pocket.

Reason #437 why I'm a libertarian.

Posted by: Audrey the Liberal | March 28, 2013 at 08:09 PM
______________________________________

Shouldn't you call yourself "Audrey the Libertarian"?

How did the Republicans manage to pass this or any bill without a majority in either the NYS Legislature or the State Senate?

Redleg –

Re-read the post. The answer is Simcha Felder.

Well clearly the Republicans couldn't do it without some Democratic support. This doesn't seem to me to be a Republican v Democrat thing. It's just the golden rule of New York politics; Whoever has the gold (or in this case the block vote) makes the rules. Hey, if Governor Cuomo says its ok, it must be good.

B"H

$3million out of budget of $24.4 BILLION

Safety of children comes first.

Do you think children should walk 1/2 mile after sundown?

Democrats supported this.

Thank G-d in NY frum jews get some fair treatment.

The savings to the school system is hundreds of millions because these kids don't attend public school.

the government saves 1.5 billion on our private schools i don't think they should complain about three million dollars


New York City spends $19,000 per student
http://www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-blog/2011/may/25/ny-state-spent-most-student-2009/

City Schools Spend $6,900 Per Student - on Bus Transportation
http://townhall.com/columnists/kyleolson/2013/01/13/new-york-city-schools-spend-6900-per-student--on-bus-transportation-n1487533/page/full/

according the avi chai foundation there are 60,000 children enrolled in chasidic schools

pork is not kosher

Posted by: ash | March 28, 2013 at 09:32 AM

A few corrections, although this time you really tried hard, to have a proper written response to Shmarya, nevertheless, you failed miserably, you wrote “making sure my grammer (sic) is as perfect as shamaryas (sic)” well you misspelled grammar and Shmarya. Additionally, in the subsequent paragraph you botched the “you’re”, didn’t you claim, that you have a “spell check feature which automatically changes the spelling” so you lied about the spellchecker and that communicates to me, that you lied about your college education too.

noname- NYS saves nothing by allowing a growing pocket of the population to remain functionally illiterate, perpetuating the welfare system, while promoting unsustainable population growth.

If private schools, ANY PRIVATE SCHOOLS, take tax payer money then they should be required to have their students take standardized tests and prove that they teach the core curriculum as required by law.

Start requiring Hasidic Yeshivas to teach English, Math, Science and Social Studies to their students, particularly girls, and watch how many decline the aid.

What's with this "quarter-mile" and "600 feet?" Somebody must be on drugs... or willfully corrupt.

These portable gas chambers, pumping 50 pounds of deadly gas toxins per minute, stop in front of every house, and honk as invasively as possible until someone comes out (or they finally give up and go three houses down and start all over again). Quarter-mile? lol

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