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March 19, 2013

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Audrey the Liberal

I'm sorry, but are you really suggesting that it's okay to dismiss vouchers because some may commit fraud. People already commit fraud, and kids are stuck in failing schools. I still think vouchers are a good idea.

Abracadabra

Joe, you are right, but it makes no difference. Posters like Dan L'kafzechus usually do not answer my questions anyway, because it forces them to look in the mirror, and think, and they don't like the conclusions that they would come to if they would think about it honestly. It's a psychological defense mechanism called "Cognitive Dissonance." It's very strong, and the more invested someone is in something, no matter how illogical that may be, they will make all kinds of irrational excuses in their mind to defend the indefensible, simply because they cannot psychologically handle the truth.

Joe Field

Abracadabra | March 20, 2013 at 05:34 PM

“What will you do or say if the allegations prove to be true? What will you do or say if after the audit is done, and after the DA investigates, he finds wrongful and illegal activity and issues an indictment against Rabbi Hiller? What will you do or say then?”

The question should be framed, what would
you do after Hiller and his fellow conspirators are convicted. We know that if he is only charged they will still say that he deserves deference.

ca

My one look at Jew Watch can be summed up as described in Wikipedia "Jew Watch is an antisemitic[1] website that promotes Holocaust denial,[2] and makes many negative claims about Jews, which include allegations of a conspiracy that Jews control the media and banking industries,[3] and accusations of Jewish involvement in terrorist groups. The site contains a large amount of propaganda,.." I couldn't have said it better myself.

ca

I looked over at Jew Watch and it is nothing like Failed Messiah at all. So Green is either an idiot or an anti-semite neo Nazi.

Abracadabra

Dan Lekafzchus -

What will you do or say if the allegations prove to be true? What will you do or say if after the audit is done, and after the DA investigates, he finds wrongful and illegal activity and issues an indictment against Rabbi Hiller? What will you do or say then?

Would you condemn him for causing a huge Chillul Hashem and for stealing from the government, or would you make excuses and apologize for him, saying things like, "But he does so much good. But it was for the sake of Torah. But the goyim hate us and are persecuting us. But Goyim do more crimes than us. But he didn't hurt anyone." etc???

This exact scenario has happened dozens of times before, and the excuses and apologetics abound, every time.

The fact of the matter is that Yeshivish and Chassidish kids nowadays are taught, as a matter of hashkafah, that defrauding, lying, cheating and stealing from the government are not all that bad if it is done for the sake of promoting Torah or a Torah way of life. And the goyim are not fair anyway because we pay real estate taxes but still have to pay school tuition for our kids. And there is no way to support Torah without scamming the government. etc.

BBY itself promotes the learning-only way of "Torah true life" for it's girls. It is unsustainable in families with 3 kids, but it is especially unsustainable with large families. But BBY tells it's girls that Hashem will take care of it, because this is what Hashem wants.

Well, "Hashem" taking care of it somehow always winds up with people making excuses for lying, cheating, stealing, and scamming the government or other theft. So much for all that bitachon in Hashem, who stated clearly in Torah not to do those things. And I don't remember a Rashi saying "For promoting Kollel for everyone indiscriminately, Yeshivish Jews are allowed to lie, cheat, steal, and defraud."

It doesn't really matter what you answer here, but be honest with yourself. Because what will matter is what you really believe, because your kids will learn those beliefs from you. And if those beliefs are essentially hypocritical, your kids will realize it. Some may be able to ignore the hypocricy, but others will reject it, realizing that the lies Yeshivish Jews are telling themselves do not match up with what the Torah says, and with actual Torah values, but are rather just an excercize in cognitive dissonance in support of what is essentially only a culture, and a dishonest one at that.

The current Yeshivish culture and way of life is entirely new, regardless of the lies ArtScroll tells. If you don't have grandparents or greatgrandparents who came from Europe to talk to about how life was in Europe, then read some history, and you will learn.

The Yeshivish leaders are failing miserably around the world. Wake up and lead yourself, or start making long lists of excuses for your kids, and for the criminals who will be indicted like Rubashkin was, supposedly for the sake of Torah. If it will not be Rabbi Hiller, it will be someone else, it is just a matter of time before they are caught. The defrauding of government money is rampant, and your kids have been taught in school that it's okay to do so, because Torah comes before all. If you don't believe me, ask them.

Nigritude Ultramarine

@Dan Lekafzchus "And for the record: The true Torah way of life will last forever."

On the other hand, the lives lived by Mr. Hiller and his ilk end in a prison sentence.

Joe Field

Posted by: darius | March 20, 2013 at 04:06 PM

You are right, you envision a universe were raping kids, stealing from government programs for the poor, or misallocate funds for connecting to the internet, and so on, should be the order of the day.

We don’t want to stay silent while even on child gets raped. We have a goal to combat any molestation or other criminal behavior in the Orthodox community, which affect the public at large. Why us? Well we are a collection of people who are Jewish by birth, and we feel an obligation to correct a wrong. We learned from history, and we are willing to admonish our brothers and sisters, and to bring them back to be a proper model citizen.

The question, why your community, why not other communities, like the Catholic Church, or other institutions of higher learning e.g. Pen-State? You see charity begins at home, we know we cannot change the world but we strongly believe that in the idea, that each individual must do his part, and then the world will be a better place. We cannot shrink away from either our collective responsibility, or collective consciousness.

I know you don’t want to believe us, nevertheless, as a brother each of us are felling the responsibility, to criticize and try in any way to correct your misguided approach to living with the rest of the community. I know that you and your community are against molestation or other illegal actives, but you cannot come to grips that others know off your deficiency and immorality, facing your demons is the way forward.

Nigritude Ultramarine

@Dan Lekafzchus "In fact this is the most significant opportunity we each have to show Rabbi Hiller our gratitude for what he’s done for our girls."

Yes, have the girls stand arm in arm with a person that can best be described as a veritable Robin Hood at best; a Jabba the Hutt at worst. That's totally emblematic of Jewish values.

I think now, as we are removing the חומץ from our homes, this might be a good time for Bnos Bais Yaakov to remove the חומץ from the school and the lives of its students.

It would also be apt for the school to do a חשבון הנפש -- a collective gut check as it were -- and think about how it is going to go about returning the ill-gotten funds it may have acquired through the hands of Mr. Hiller.

Nigritude Ultramarine

@Dan Lekafzchus "I'm just a Jew who's trying to be "dan l'kaf zchus" [...]"

Would you like some skepticism with your gullibility?

Dan Lekafzchus

Ha! My Mom would "kvell" at that...no, I'm not a lawyer but I HAVE read John Grisham and I've seen episodes of Law and Order. I'm just a Jew who's trying to be "dan l'kaf zchus" on my brother/sister Jews. Wait a minute - that's my name! What a coincidence..

WoolSilkCotton, I am a work of art as well as a sports and rock superstar

Dan is obviously an attorney for BBY. Who else would use this wording?
"I am confident that every single one of these allegations against BBY and Rabbi Hiller are false, and will ultimately prove to be nothing more than slanderous allegations."

Pard

"DiNapoli’s auditors say that Island Child paid nearly $2 million to the Bnos Bais Yaakov girls school. Rabbi Samuel Hiller, the assistant executive director of Island Child, is Bnos Bais Yaakov’s dean and one of its owners. Another $877,000 went to various Jewish summer camps, two of them tied to Rabbi Hiller, and more than $330,000 in nonpayroll checks went to Hiller himself."

Pard

Dan,

"And for the record: The true Torah way of life will last forever."

That same Faith must also include that belief that the wicked shall vanish from the Earth.

If people continue to enable criminal activity, as many if not all charitable institutions who inadequately filter their donation sources tend to do, it seems reasonable that they will vanish.

Dan Lekafzchus

Howdy, Pard.
Mr. Dinapoli's office is investigating and auditing Island Child, NOT BBY. BBY is but one of the beneficiary schools who in the past had received funding from Island Child. I am confident that every single one of these allegations against BBY and Rabbi Hiller are false, and will ultimately prove to be nothing more than slanderous allegations. I am all for prosecuting criminals - but I need to see more than rumors from the New York Times and The Jewish Week.
And for the record: The true Torah way of life will last forever.

Pard

Dan. Not a reasonable perspective given the sources and the public findings.

"After subpoenaing more than 13,000 checks from the agency’s bank, auditors said they gave up counting after the first 1,549 checks they reviewed turned up $5.8 million in what they said was fraudulent spending over a six-year period when Island Child billed the state and the city more than $27 million.

Mr. DiNapoli’s office called it the largest misappropriation unearthed yet in its inquiry into New York State’s $2 billion special education prekindergarten program. Spending on the program has jumped in recent years, and regulation has not kept pace. "


Once again, you circle the wagons in defense of the criminals and never show the proper anger and disgust for their actions. Clean up your collective act before your way of life goes away forever.

Dan Lekafzchus

I don't feel that I, or anyone for that matter, is in the position to pass judgment or even state their opinion on what did or didn't happen. What I do know is that in the 10 years I've been working alongside Rabbi Hiller on various communal projects, I have never seen anything but complete yashrus and honesty in everything he does and every decision he makes. I know firsthand that those in BBY that he works closely with feel the same way I do and we all have our own “Rabbi Hiller stories” that speak volumes about his integrity.

I know news like this is shocking and unsettling but we have to be careful not to rush to judge and come to our own conclusions because in reality, the only "facts" we have are from the New York Times. When the NYT runs a headline that reads "IDF slaughters innocent Palestinian children in Gaza" we all scream "liars, anti Semites"... And we're not mekabel…because we know it’s not true. But when they write about a prominent Rabbi and try to drag his name through the mud, unfortunately some of us are right there with them forwarding the link to all our contacts and helping to spread it as if it’s a proven fact. This is an ongoing investigation. I’ve been told that Rabbi Hiller has been advised by the community Rabbanim as well as his lawyer that he should not be issuing statements but they are all confident that in due time the truth will come out and he will be in the clear.

BBY is an amazing and strong school and it will be stable throughout this painful situation especially if we all show our support for Rabbi Hiller in this challenging time. In fact this is the most significant opportunity we each have to show Rabbi Hiller our gratitude for what he’s done for our girls. To publicly state our belief in his honesty and integrity is the right thing to do. To refrain from spreading loshon hara is the very least we can do.

Luke

:)

Luke.

Joe Field

Posted by: Shmarya Rosenberg | March 20, 2013 at 11:07 AM

And with one voice they all shouted out “Hallelujah”

Editor

Shmaryah,should change his name to julius streicher –

You keep lying about Jansci. You dont know him. Youve claimed he is a teenage boy and now you claim he is 28-years-old. You lie, and you lie, and you lie.

Process, little man: THIS IS NOT CROWN HEIGHTS. You cant lie and get away with it.

YOU ARE BANNED. Comment again and I will delete it. Keep trying and I will go back and delete all of your comments. YOU ARE FINISHED HERE.

Shmaryah,should change his name to julius streicher

Jeff,i happen to know Jancsibacsi personally,he lives in Williamsburg
in the projects,his family belongs to Satmar,the family fled Hungary during the 56 revolution,this Jancsi,is a 28 29 year old disgruntled BOCHUR,who wasn't able to find yet a SHIDUCH,i can't really blame him for being bitter towards his satmar community,but why doesn't he just leave and make a life for himself,instead he does like his hero Shmaryah,sits in dingy basement in front of a computer,and vomits out Nazi like hatred on religious judaism

Jeff

hey Jancsi,if not for foodstamps you would be dying of hunger ?,doesn't your Satmar family live on food stamps and section 8?

Posted by: Shmaryah,should change his name to julius streicher | March 19, 2013 at 09:15 PM
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You really are the most pathetic moron. It has been explained to you repeatedly, by those who know him outside of this blog, that jansci is a man in his 60's, yet you continue to insist that he is a disgruntled Satmar yeshiva bochur. I suppose it's the only way you can deal with the assault on your belief system.

Nigritude Ultramarine

A. D. - Anno Domini

The literal translation of anno domini is: "in the year of lord" - which implies a lord who is alive. To wit:

anno - ablative
domini - genitive of dominus
dominus - nominative

The nominative case (cāsus nōminātīvus) is a grammatical case of a noun which generally marks a subject of a verb. Think of it as the noun that is doing something in a sentence.

In other words, in the interest of precise speech, it's not the grammatical case one chooses to use with people who are dead.

Abracadabra

The 5 Towns Jewish Times caters more toward the Hareidi Far Rockaway crowd than any other. The 5TJT has in the past year photoshopped girls' skirts and sleeves being longer than they were in the actual picture shown in another paper, as Shmarya once posted about here.

Ultramarine - Kudos for instructing your daughter how to deal with these freaks, although the idiodic rabbi who instructed these boys on doing that sort of thing should be the one getting socked for it.

The craziness never seems to end.

Now when a frummie organization is advertising for it's Dinner, not only wont they show a picture of a woman, but the woman's name doesn't get printed either. The honorees will be printed as (for example) "Mr. & Mrs. Dovid Kaufman" with a picture of "Dovid Kaufman" but his wife, nope, she's just "Mrs." She doesn't even get her FIRST NAME mentioned! Are we turning extremist Moslem?! First the woman loses her face, then she loses her name! But count on the women to support the family, bear the babies, diaper, feed, cloth and clean them all, cook for Shabbos and Yom Tov, and wear a shaitel, while the husbands are learning the holy Torah that tells them to blot out their wives names and pictures. Oh, er, that was Amalek they were supposed to blot out, not the women's pictures or names. Maybe they DO need to spend some time learning Torah after all!

Abracadabra

Jeff - Thanks for the clarification.

Nigritude Ultramarine

@smile! "I was also surprised that a paper out of the 5Towns would show the Dinner honoree's son and son-in - law but not her."

Oops! I'm sorry missed your comment!

After your post I mentioned that not featuring or mentioning women has become de rigueur in nearly all quarters of the Orthodox world. The madness has now reached Chicago. My daughter's school, in an effort to earn it's Taliban bona fides, does this.

We even have a phenomenon -- of recent vintage -- that I haven't seen or heard about in New York. In this scenario, a man is walking on the sidewalk. From the opposite direction, a woman, sharing the same sidewalk is approaching him. When the two parties are in close proximity on the sidewalk, the man will suddenly remove his hat and hold it up as a shield between his head and the woman's head. In this scenario, the man is invading the ד' אמות of the woman with his arm and hat as the hat is placed mere inches from her face.

For a young teenage girl, as reported by my daughter, the effect is quite unsettling. I believe this behavior, as my daughter describes it, meets the legal definition of assault. As such, I've instructed my daughter, the next time this happens to her -- even on Shabbos -- she should feel free to shove the hat into his face and -- if possible -- kick him in the groin since this may be an effort by some pervert to disguise himself while trying something nefarious.

ah-pee-chorus

Jake -

no prob.

Jake

Ah pee your 100% right,my mistake.

gopjew

I can also go mwaaah mwaaaah Jeff is brainwashed by Thomas Malthus and Barack Obama, and Keith Olbermann but that's not sticking to the issues now is it?

Jske all I said was war and then kingdom of god which is not far off from OT-only eschatology as per Zechariah 14.

Go and learn.

By the way Jake, are you one of those losers with no life who fights over BC and AD and cries and moans until BCE and CE is used?

gopjew

I can also go mwaaah mwaaaah Jeff is brainwashed by Thomas Malthus and Barack Obama, and Keith Olbermann but that's not sticking to the issues now is it?

Jske all I said was war and then kingdom of god which is not far off from OT-only eschatology as per Zechariah 14.

Go and learn.

By the way Jake, are you one of those losers with no life who fights over BC and AD and cries and moans until BCE and CE is used?

ah-pee-chorus

++Aphee
The stock market isn't a reflection of the economy.Posted by: Jake +++

jake, i never mentioned the stock market. why would i in a discussion of inflation?
i said the 30 year BOND was at 3.13% . and that surely IS a reflection of inflation expectations.

ah-pee-chorus

SkepticalYid-

excluding forex, the US bond market is about the biggest and most liquid market that exists. it is as a result a perfect reflection of market interest rate expectation. that market doesnt care about and isnt fooled by any CPI manipulation, even if it existed. apart from a small bump due to quantitative easing, it anticipates in general a small return above inflation. with the 30 year at 3.1%, the market is saying that it expects inflation to average LESS than that over the next 30 years.
to think inflation is actually 8-9% is ridiculous. it just isnt so.

Shmaryah,should change his name to julius streicher


schneur--Dont worry about them paying for pesach, food stamps pay for it so its not as expensive as you make it out to be.

Posted by: jancsibacsi
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hey Jancsi,if not for foodstamps you would be dying of hunger ?,doesn't your Satmar family live on food stamps and section 8?

Jeff

GOP Jew is not a secular Jew, or a former Orthodox Jew. He seems to have no connection to Orthodox Jewry or to Jewry at all.
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He grew up frum. gopjew is SJ, who used to post comments here until Shmarya banned him. Now he's "messianic". He gets his theology from the evangelicals and his political opinions from Fox News, and can't go very long without injecting either into a conversation.

jancsibacsi

schneur--Dont worry about them paying for pesach, food stamps pay for it so its not as expensive as you make it out to be.

Jake

Aphee
The stock market isn't a reflection of the economy.
It is a reflection of the Fed maintaing very low interest rates and printing lots of money. Unfortunately two frum Jews are running the economy Bernake and Lew.

Jake

Gopjew

The discussion today or yesterday requires no need of you referring to your faith.
Jews who actualy think about tithing as a rule don't even think of that word.

Your view of the end of days is actually irrelevant a d all your little shtick of your theology etc is pretty much irrelevant here and s actually offensive to this Jew and I imagine to others as well.

We have enough to disscuss,argue about etc without getting embroiled in theological arguments with Jews who believe in the dead heretical Jewish man on a stick who is now worm food.


Abracadabra

GOP Jew has clearly stated in his postings that he believes in Jesus.

GOP Jew has posted that he believes in "God's Kingdom" coming after some war that he believes will happen soon with Iran and Israel.

This is a blog about Orthodox Jews.

GOP Jew is not a secular Jew, or a former Orthodox Jew. He seems to have no connection to Orthodox Jewry or to Jewry at all. He is clearly a Christian (defined as someone who believes in Jesus) who espouses and preaches his Christian beliefs on this blog.

How is GOP Jew contributing in any way to our discussions about Orthodox Jewry?

There are other Christians who post on this website who do not espouse or preach their Christian beliefs. They have contributed much to the discussions here and were always welcomed on this blog.

GOP Jew seems to just be a troll.

And now he has picked a fight about politics.

SkepticalYid

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | March 19, 2013 at 05:28 PM

The real inflation rate isn't "hyperinflation," but it is about 8-9% . The darling of Ayn Randians, Greenspan, authorized a recalculation of the CPI that artificially depresses the reported inflation rate.

ah-pee-chorus

gopjew -

can you tell me more about the hyperinflation we're experiencing? last I saw 30 year mortgages were at the lowest level EVER. the 30 year bond yields 3.13% do you and your repub. talk show idols live in a different country?

TIA for your help .

Rocky

gopjew: There is no shortage of people in the world. Are you that anxious to see your taxes go for more welfare payments to irresponsible procreators? I thought Republicans don't like welfare or taxes?

Nigritude Ultramarine

This is sad. Rabbi Hiller named a simcha hall after a dead student. Her parents held in high regard. I wonder what they are thinking now.

http://bit.ly/ZbX1jX

ah-pee-chorus

the reason malthusian theory hasnt been a problem is that population growth rates have slowed thanks to people understanding that countless children and endless pregnancy doesnt lead to a better life. too bad religious fundies like yourself havent gotten the message. you think youre doing gods will by having as many kids as you can. if all did the same the world would have already been strained.
next, since you say gays can derive pleasure from hetero sex i guess you derive pleasure from gay sex.

regardless of the composition of the cells, a fetus of a certain age cannot live on its own and requires its host mothers body for everything. if you could get pregnant thru rape you'd be the first one calling anyone a dictator who forced you to give birth.

Nigritude Ultramarine

"yup. they wont show the honoree, the schools principal , so they show her son posing with the rabbis. theyre quickly racing towards talibatshitland."

It has become de rigueur here in Chicago too -- for the woman to get the award -- and the husband to walk up to fetch it for her. We don't go to our daughter's school's annual dinner, nor do we make a donation in part because of this sort of nonsense.

A photo of the invisible Mrs. Halpert receiving her award is here: http://bit.ly/YpbBVV

gopjew

Idiot, malthusian theory has been disproved ages ago.

Secondly gays can still derive pleasure from heterosexual sex and society should promote gays marrying the opposite gender and procreating.

Thirdly, fertalized cells onward are NOT the woman's body as they have their own brand new genomes that the father contributes to.

ah-pee-chorus

Posted by: smile!

yup. they wont show the honoree, the schools principal , so they show her son posing with the rabbis. theyre quickly racing towards talibatshitland.

SkepticalYid

Thirdly, you accept convicted criminals as jews but not jews who believe differently. This is exactly how NT describes the jews in the story of Barabbas and Pilate. I see not much has changed in 2,000 years.

Posted by: gopjew | March 19, 2013 at 04:22 PM

Nope, you're a Christian. No big deal, just stop deluding yourself.

ah-pee-chorus


+++ Homosexuality and abortion are counterproductive to procreation, are they not?

Posted by: gopjew +++

yes they are. why is procreation a good thing ? the earth has a finite amount of space, a finite amount of water, and a finite amount of food and energy.
despite this, rather than being happy that some people choose not to continue the unsustainable population growth, and instead of permitting women to choose what to do with their bodies, it makes you angry. you MUST be an evangelical.
maybe you'd be OK with gays if we forced them to impregnate a female or two for procreation sake. then, you can deny these women the right to abort. and finally, as agood republican you can bitch and moan about providing basic needs for the children born of this union. too funny.

gopjew

Here we go again with ah-pee-brain.

Calling your oppisition brainwashed is quite childish.

It's typical liberal debate stoppers either go ---

YOU R A RACIST!!!!!!

or

YOU R A HOMOPHOBE!!!! YOU ARE A SEXIST!!!!!

and then there is

YOU ARE BRAINWASHED!!!!!!!!!!! yada yada yada

if anything black people are brainwashed since Obama got 93% of the black vote in league with the high percentages that dictators get in their elections.

smile!

posted by nigritude:
I read the article you posted but was disappointed that you had not commented on the 5Towns Jewish Times website at the article on the annual dinner.
I was also surprised that a paper out of the 5Towns would show the Dinner honoree's son and son-in - law but not her. Looks like just one more delight Williamsburg has exported.
Most interesting though was the last paragraph;
Before the BBY video was shown, a surprise presentation was made. Mrs. Yitty Halpert, BBY’s Hebrew menaheles for 21 years, is relocating to Lakewood and will be leaving BBY at the end of this year. Her departure is the end of a remarkable era. Mrs. Halpert, who has earned the respect, admiration, and love of legions of children and parents, has created an uplifting and inspiring atmosphere in BBY by always emphasizing the joys inherent in Yiddishkeit. She has forged long-lasting and meaningful relationships with colleagues, teachers, parents, and of course, her beloved talmidos. Rabbi Hiller spoke movingly about the debt of gratitude owed to Mrs. Halpert after which, in a fitting tribute, the assembled crowd rose to their feet...
Great timing!

ah-pee-chorus

gopjew-

youre just another brainwashed dope. who is your favorite, rush? hannity? beck?

this is classic....
"Democrats ass rape the treasury and print and spend money into hyperinflation without any transparency "

you know nothing about our govt., are clueless as to what "hyperinflation" means, and are either equally clueless regarding 'transparency' or too detached from reality to know what is truth and what is not. good luck with that.

gopjew

I personally don't believe in any sacred cows when it comes to spending, not in entitlements or in military or in foreign aid, nothing.

Secondly, lets not quibble over who made up the terms and lets discuss whether the terms are accurate descriptions. Homosexuality and abortion are counterproductive to procreation, are they not?

Thirdly, you accept convicted criminals as jews but not jews who believe differently. This is exactly how NT describes the jews in the story of Barabbas and Pilate. I see not much has changed in 2,000 years.

ca

"Ironic indeed that folks who experienced widespread slaughter just 75 years ago due to mankind's inhumanity to man (and who forever bear grudge for same), have developed such a thoughtless disregard for others. ...

... Coal for a fire."

Posted by: Pard | March 19, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Did you just compare Charedim to Nazi's? And did you really imply that the "grudge" is not warranted?

What a sick vile person you must be.

SkepticalYid

Posted by: gopjew | March 19, 2013 at 03:59 PM

Reagan, Bush and Dubya were hardly responsible when it came to spending either. But why be rational and accept that both parties are corrupt beyond redemption when you can just spew RW Evangelical nonsense. Fellowship? Culture of death? Anti-procreation? Those are Evangelical language. You're not a Jew. Just admit it for once.

ca

"Frankly without criminal actiivity I have come to believe that Charedi society could not live in the manner it does."

Posted by: schneur | March 19, 2013 at 09:42 AM

It's without the criminal activity, welfare, tzedokah, credit, loans and whatever source of money you can think of that relies upon others. That is why the system is slowly but surely imploding, B"H.

gopjew

homosexuality, abortion, and mind altering drugs culture of death I should say.

gopjew

roflmao unorthodox yidden you call solyndra an honest payout? lolololololololololololololololololol

gopjew

See what I mean with ah-pee-brain?

The libtards love it when Democrats ass rape the treasury and print and spend money into hyperinflation without any transparency and they cry like lil bitches over some abuses by haredim.


It's one of the many reasons I do not want fellowship with liberal jews among others their acceptance of the homosexuality and abortion culture of death. After all if you can support anti-procreation policies, why not spend into oblivion? Who gives a fuck?

Unorthodox Yidden

Isn't that what Democrats do all the time?

Suck on the government tit?

Isn't that why Obama hasn't passed a budget his entire time in office as mandated by law? So he can spend money on his constituents in a nontransparent manner?


Idiot liberal jews on this blog fumes when haredim suck on government tit but not when Obama and his mob of supporters suck on government tit.

Posted by: gopjew | March 19, 2013 at 03:30 PM

You don't see a difference between honest payouts and theft? Those "rabbis" stole money from the government.

ah-pee-chorus

the school should close their doors immediately, or at least announce the closing as of the end of the school year. any parents who leave their daughters there beyond this year, and any teachers who remain should be held up to public ridicule. this is no different than a criminal enterprise. i have far more respect for drug dealers.

Luke

"suck on government tit"

I thought they were fighting to s*ck on another appendage? ;)

Luke.

ah-pee-chorus

@ Posted by: gopjew | March 19, 2013 at 03:30 PM

you cant possibly have an IQ above 85 .

if youre over 18 theres no hope for you.

Nigritude Ultramarine

@steven k "Shame on you for wishing evil on another person"


בְּטוּב צַדִּיקִים, תַּעֲלֹץ קִרְיָה; וּבַאֲבֹד רְשָׁעִים רִנָּה

gopjew

Isn't that what Democrats do all the time?

Suck on the government tit?

Isn't that why Obama hasn't passed a budget his entire time in office as mandated by law? So he can spend money on his constituents in a nontransparent manner?


Idiot liberal jews on this blog fumes when haredim suck on government tit but not when Obama and his mob of supporters suck on government tit.

Nigritude Ultramarine

Bnos Bais Yaakov, which received nearly $2 MM in fraudulent funds, just had it's dinner:

http://bit.ly/YpbBVV

I hope all the teachers, out of a sense of shame, flee to Israel and are raped by camels in a dumpster.

Karen@Limousines of CT

Unbelievable. To use the money for own reasons and using disabled children to receive it. I just don't get this world. What is wrong with people. Ugh you're right @Luke.

jancsibacsi

By this time everyone here should see that theese chassidim think that the goyim have no brains that they the chassidim are the smartest on this planet that no one can figure their intricate thievery,of course they think so because the learned lots of gemoro and that the gemura is to outsmart the rest of the non jews.

steven k

Nigritude Ultramarine
Shame on you for wishing evil on another person

Luke

[Shakes head] All in the name of religion.

Luke.

Avital

At least their wives and daughters are fully tznius, so all is fine!

Devorah

Should be "probation." Guess my blood pressure was too high when I read the sentencing!

Devorah

FlatEarth, I just read the article about probation. Only in Rockland can a chasid molest a 14 year old and get 10 years probabation! The pervert admitted to anal and oral sex and he still gets off.

Luke

flatearth:

"Yea, he got... wait for it... probation."

The parents would not let him testify for fear of retaliation from the community. Now he is free to roam and glean from the community whatever kinder he wants. I read his retorts to the judge in the JN. It is beyond disgusting. He blamed the child for enticing him and the parents STILL won't let him testify.

So, where are the community leaders and PR dude in their support of the family? How about they encourage the family to help clean their community of such vermin! Nowhere to be seen- hypocrites!!! Instead they are celebrating another exhorted win again justice. A sick lot they are, a truly sick lot.

Luke.

Moshe Aron kestenbaum WIlliamsburg

Unbelievable feh, ganovim, gazlonim, Motherfckers,bastards go convert , don't call yourself a Jew , am not your brother, am not your sister, and not your cousins, you gazlonim are eisov and Biliam of today, shame shame shame shame, feh feh feh feh , don't come near me, I will brech all my chamets on your nice Bekisha that you purchased with stolen funds


Flatbusher

The question that begs an answer is this: In a closed society, such as charedi, where they can throw your children out of school, out of shul, etc. & The clergy has so much power, WHY DON'T THEY PUT A STOP TO THIS?

Simple Answer: Follow the money. (difficult to do because as soon as it becomes cash it is untraceable) Hundreds of thousnds line the pockets of the name plate rabbis. Not only do they look the other way as they participated in the theft, they make sure that these moneyed thieves are honored in thier Schools and Shuls.

Of course this is unsustainable. When the streets of USA will be dangerous to walk like in old Cossack land, these stupid leaders will wonder why. Ascribe it to ... long sheitels and short skirts....

flatearth

Luke:

"Oops, I stand corrected. I just read that the Court sentenced a Monsey guy for child molestation today."

Yea, he got... wait for it... probation.

Zugibe & Gribitz, what a team!

Nigritude Ultramarine

"Vouchers will be yet another opportunity for 'faith based' crooks to fraudulently suck taxpayer money out of the government's treasury."

Amen to that! I say that as a parent who pays tuition for a child who attends a religious school.

Luke

WoolSilkCotton:

"This fraud is another reason why school voucher programs must not be allowed. "

Agreed one hundred, no, one thousand percent! Also, public money for anything; books, lunch, busing, nurse, etc., should not go to any school NOT teaching a New York State Certified curriculum. IF you want to stray from the education requirements, do it on your own dime, NOT MINE.

Luke.

WoolSilkCotton

This fraud is another reason why school voucher programs must not be allowed. Vouchers will be yet another opportunity for 'faith based' crooks to fraudulently suck taxpayer money out of the government's treasury.

Alter Kocker

So in effect, Haredism is a criminal enterprise. This needs to stop, and the entire sect needs to be re-educated to the effect that stealing from non-jews is also theft and not excusable. First all concerned must be tried in court and all of the theft exposed to the media and public. If proven guilty they must all get the MAXIMUM.

When they go to jail any community leader that comes out saying that the sentence is anti-semitic should be jailed for abetting a crime or criminal enterprise. We as a people need to stop the thieves in our midst. They do nothing but cast dishonour on all of us. Throw the book at these pigs and close every institution that accepted funds from these charlatans. Go ahead call me an anti-semite for wanting my people to act as if they actually live on this planet and not "Jew-land". Obey the f--cking laws you assholes.

Luke

"I guess this is the embarrassment of the week. At least it doesn't involve molestation of children."

Oops, I stand corrected. I just read that the Court sentenced a Monsey guy for child molestation today. Oh well, I guess we continue to stay at a "one a week" minimum.

Still no community commentary? Hmmm... where is the PR spinner. Oh right, Yossi is currently espousing his version of politics. If you need some comedic relief go visit his twitter blog. You won't believe he his talking about the American system of governance.

Luke.

Nigritude Ultramarine

@Ephraim: "The old style haredim had it right:"

They ought to keep this in mind too:

דתניא ר' אילעאי אומר אם רואה אדם שיצרו מתגבר עליו ילך למקום שאין מכירין אותו וילבש שחורים ויתעטף שחורים ויעשה מה שלבו חפץ ואל יחלל שם שמים בפרהסיא

מסכת מועד קטן פרק ג
דף יז,א

S M L

"...The black hat crowd can do what they do because they simply to not regard any other human beings as anything more than resources for exploitation...."

It's that arrogance and utter indifference to non-Haredim that makes them so detestable to me.

Ephraim

The old style haredim had it right:
רבי יהודה אומר כל שאינו מלמד את בנו אומנות מלמדו ליסטות ליסטות ס"ד אלא כאילו מלמדו ליסטות

"..Whoever doesn't teach his son a trade teaches him theft..."
Kiddushin 29a

ah-pee-chorus

+++$12,000 to two jewelers++++

these kids have it bad enough. they dont exist, they are disabled on top of that, and now the state wants to deny them some jewelry ? its a witch hunt.

Yoel B

"$40,000/yr is the fair market for such employees."

You're so yesterday. With 2 weeks vacation, Senator Warren's proposed minimum wage would pay imaginary workers $44,000/yr.

Rocky

Joe Filed: Actually, it is a laughing matter, because, in all likelihood, no one will even go to jail for all of this fraud. The joke is on us, the taxpayers.

Nigritude Ultramarine

"Rabbi Samuel Hiller, the assistant executive director of Island Child, is Bnos Bais Yaakov’s dean and one of its owners."

If that is Shmuel Hiller of Bnos Bais Yaakov -- dean of the school started by Rabbi Freifeld -- I hope he dies in a fire Passover Eve during Bedikas Chometz.

Joe Field

This is no laughing matter; the brazen fraud is mind boggling. I hope the state prosecute each and every individual to the fullest extent of the law.

The orthodox lifestyle conditions its people to defraud the government’s social policies. But the scale is astounding. I got to admit that when it comes to siphoning government money, they will go all in.

Sarek

Hurricane Sandy devastated Far Rockaway. So I guess their prayers saved their school (and supermarket and camp and jewelry and credit cards, etc.)

ah-pee-chorus

+++The auditors were not able to confirm that any of the hundreds of children who were reportedly supposed to get individual instruction from the Island Child Development Center ever actually did,+++

somebody better adopt or borrow a couple hundred disabled kids in a hurry.

Devorah

"How long does the process take to determine if there will be indictments? "

In East Ramapo there will probably be no indictments. When the taxpayers paid for our books to be sent to yeshivas in Brooklyn, there was just a slap on the wrist. These were Yiddish books and could not even have been read in East Ramapo, since our kids don't speak Yiddish!

Daniel Schwartz (hopefully will be indicted) on UTube declared he wants to start a Jewish appreciation class that is mandatory for all students to prevent racism! This would be in place of a foreign language since he wants to eliminate foreign languages. Que lastima :(

ah-pee-chorus

when the state auditors and the times are summoned to beis din to answer for their mesira theyll regret this.
i hope they dont have any employees with children looking to get into bnos beis yaakov or needing shidduchim.

ah-pee-chorus

+++and nearly $200,000 in payroll checks to five fictitious workers.++

the state should go easy on them for not overpaying the fictitious workers. $40,000/yr is the fair market for such employees.

S.

>The Queens district attorney’s office is reportedly reviewing the audit’s findings to determine if indictments should be issued.

Well, they have to actually look at the audit, right?

Pard

It is far worse than you may think, at least if my sources are true, which I believe they are.

The Jewish communities that reject any true integration into American society in terms of language, culture, values, etc., and that never develop an appreciation for their Gentile hosts, believe those hosts to be host organisms for their parasitic existence. Tape worms.

Ironic indeed that folks who experienced widespread slaughter just 75 years ago due to mankind's inhumanity to man (and who forever bear grudge for same), have developed such a thoughtless disregard for others.

The black hat crowd can do what they do because they simply to not regard any other human beings as anything more than resources for exploitation. Coal for a fire.

smile!

The Queens district attorney’s office is reportedly reviewing the audit’s findings to determine if indictments should be issued.
Can someone enlighten me as to what more they would need to find to issue indictments?
Same for Devorah's comments on East Ramapo? How long does the process take to determine if there will be indictments?

schneur

Being an Orthodox Jew is not cheap.Pesach costs a minimum of $5,000 Tishre the same weddings, vacations expensive threads (suits every day) the high life all costs big money The younger generation to a great extent does not work for years after marriage and lives well.
The money comes from the criminal scams you report. Frankly without criminal actiivity I have come to believe that Charedi society could not live in the manner it does.
because so many are invovled in these activities you should not expect any rabbis or communal leaders to condemm these scmas after all they or their relatives and friends are part of them

Luke

Devorah:

"Millions and millions were spent in KJ, New Square and Monsey."

Not to mention the two placements in New Hampshire at a total cost of $300K. The State needs to do a full forensic audit of ERCSD books to determine whether all is kosher. As I have said before, I pay my taxes and receive no services from the District, but I sure as h*ll do not want to be taken advantage of.

Luke.

Luke

ah-pee-chorus:

I had previously read that and agree wholeheartedly with you. What will ultimately trip up some in the community who participate in such acts,is that they are not taught what is criminal and therefore will become more brazen. Now it is up to the authorities to fully persecute without fear of voter retribution.

Luke.

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