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February 06, 2013

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JOEL BECK

Purdah, an Arab word seclusion,is what the
Haredi have in mind for their womenfolk.
The next step in modesty will be the black
veil, with narrow slits only for the eyes,
called in Arabic a chador. Of course,
Haredi chador will be either all wool or
all cotton to conform to Torah law. The next steps will be honor killings and female circumcision

flatearth

Photo caption: Two invisible penis.

Jeff

Maybe this is part of a political/cultural strategy for Hager (who still has contend with his brother and cousin with their splinter groups) to get close to Alter, who is more established? Or alternately, to show everyone how frum he is to shore up support among his community?

Or maybe they're all inbred to the point of insanity?

Friar Yid

It sounds like he's trying to mold his community very much along the lines of the Gerrers, who are also very focused on modesty (their wives have been walking behind them for decades), and obviously, like their Hamodia.

The one anomaly is the switch to using Yiddish exclusively. Gerrers in Israel have long used modern Hebrew, and every rebbe since the Imrei Emet was fluent in Ivrit (the Pnei Menachem, who was a teenager when he came to then-Palestine, was even known for using Hebrew slang in his drashot). Not coincidentally, this attitude toward Ivrit has also helped Ger continue to be a powerful political force, rather than serving as another mechanism for isolation, as with the more Yiddish-focused (and anti-Zionist) groups like Neturei Karta. This could suggest that Hager is actually trying to go even further to "the right" than Ger.

Maybe this is part of a political/cultural strategy for Hager (who still has contend with his brother and cousin with their splinter groups) to get close to Alter, who is more established? Or alternately, to show everyone how frum he is to shore up support among his community?

Feminista

They forgot to include the exceptions to the new rule that women must walk behind their husbands - when they are walking through a minefield, where they must walk ahead of their husbands, or for that matter, when there is any kind of shooting or danger.

Jeff

I say just vote the women off the island ! Problem solved.

Okay, that's funny.

arkofthecovenants

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spacedout BT

The Admor of Ger had a sefer takanot that was strictly for family members of beis ha Rav. somehow it got published and distributed to the community. Nowadays regular Yidden achieve upward social mobility from emulating conduct of beis ha Rav. So there you go.....

Londoner

go man
buthe forgot to mention that they must not walk with someone ellses wife/husband as the becoming trend

do me a favor

NeverFrum

look at the guy...he looks like he couldn't get laid in a whorehouse with a fist full of $100 bills....no wonder he is so bitter towards women.

Winston Smith in ILSOC

The so called Admor/Rebbe/Grand Imperial Poobah of Chust in Immanuel...tells men not to listen to their wives. Has his wife sit at a seperate table for all the Shabbos meals. If a married woman of one his flock questions anything he says...he curses them. He also lives in the synagogue and not a home. He is also big fan of the Vizhnitzer Rebbe.

Luke

I say just vote the women off the island ! Problem solved. Luke

rebeljew

I agree with the Vitznitzer Rebbe. It would definitely lead to mixed dancing. After all, look what has happened to the corrupted world. First they walk next to their husbands. Then they want to walk alone CH'v. Then they want to drive. Next, what? Will they want to vote? Will they want to run for office themselves? Prime Minister????!!!!! Look how ludicrous this reasoning is.

Nothing says it better than this exchange with the great and famed academic, Dr. Venkman:

Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Mayor: All right, all right! I get the point!

A. Nuran

SSS - Comparing Charedism to Sikhism is an insult to Sikhs. Sikhs have their problems, but they're productive, hard-working, much more egalitarian than Charedim get along well with outsiders.

Jeff

Women are treated much better in Sikhism than they are by Haredim.

Account Deleted

Excuse me, Sikhism anyone?

David

In the picture, he's apparently demonstrating the proper way to go down on one's wife.

Posted by: Turd Degree | February 06, 2013 at 06:37 PM

Apparently so.

Chief Hole-in-the-Sheet

Flatbusher, you begin your comment with two extra words. You write, "Their lust for control knows no boundaries...". The words "for control" should be deleted, and that explains the reason why the takonot are necessary.

Roley Poley Yoiley

When will they finally figure out that all these excessive restrictions totally backfire? We're seeing it with all the abuse stories coming out, but it's a lot broader than that. I used to work for a well known chasidish travel agency in Monsey. Well there was a young Viznitz woman who worked there and I guess she got too frustrated with the complete lack of sensitivity and respect she was getting at home. Long story short after just being nice to her and having some open minded conversations I ended up nailing her in an empty clothing store in the same building almost every day after work for nearly three months and let me tell you she was crazy - she would do absolutely anything - even shit I never thought I'd ever get a girl to do - just to make up for the crap lifestyle she had at home. This was four years ago and not a day goes by that I don't think about her.

AztecQueen2000

Now here's a little stringency that won't make it into the kiruv literature.

David

The Talibanisation of the Charedi cult is almost complete.

There are just two outstanding matters:

1) Women need to wear the Burkha (on the rare occasions they should be permitted outside).

2) Chas V'shalom they will start suicide bombing.

ah-pee-chorus

Jeff | -

it is frustrating seeing it EVERYWHERE.

Jeff

these people violate torah so much its remarkable how blind they are to it.

Denial - it's the most quintessential human mnid state. It's the main reason we're terminal.

ah-pee-chorus

.it was pretty clear in the article that the Vishnitz rebbe was saying they take upon themselves increased stringencies. Posted by: Jake

an increased stringency would be waiting 6 hours between milk and meat. there is an existing law, and a stringency is added. but where is there any basis for a man not walking next to his wife? and if this is another purely man-made rule, it is against halacha mee'd'o'raysa. the torah prohibits adding ANYTHING. this is exactly that, a new addition. these people violate torah so much its remarkable how blind they are to it.

Anonymous

So there's the story of a feminist researcher who went to Afganistan 20 years ago and saw the women, out of respect, walking 15 feet behind their husbands. She then went back again 8 years ago and now saw the women walking 12 feet ahead of their men. The feminist researcher was very impressed and complimented a group of women on this modern feminine social progress. So the women told the researcher, "Oh that, we're just checking for land mines'.

Shlomo1

This is an example of fanaticism spreading or keeping up with the the Jones To those that say just ignore this outlandish behaviour its their choice its not so soon this type of stuff will spread to RWMO just give it a few years to become the norm

Expatriate Owl

Trust me: If the Vizzies ever settle in an expansion town near some unexploded land mines placed by the Arabs, it would be the wives who would be required to walk in front of the husbands.

jancsibacsi

Theese hassidinm were mentally disturbed from the get go over 200 years ago when it all began ,but people were too scared to do anything about them just like today,as the saying goes do as he says because he is crazy,meaning crazy people are to be feared since they are dangerous, they the hassidim should of been stopped when the whole cult began over 200 years ago,but like today we are afraid of them they are getting to be unbearably dangerous.

Yosef ben Matitya

Each generation is crazier than the one that preceded it. Jeff
very well put, jeff that is, chasidim are going from bad to worse from the (quasi) illiterate besht the miracle worker that specialised in scaring black dogs, till now. tomorrow will be even worse.

Turd Degree

In the picture, he's apparently demonstrating the proper way to go down on one's wife.

mimi

"women who do not want to abide by this should not marry in the sect."

That would make more sense if the women were really women and not almost children themselves. Teenagers aren't the best at making informed choices.

Jake

Aphee

If you track it back to the original Hebrew article the Vishnitz rebbe said that their chassidus goes beyond the letter of the law.it was pretty clear in the article that the Vishnitz rebbe was saying they take upon themselves increased stringencies.

What was interesting that when inviting the thousands of Chassidim to the lecture they made it very clear that they did not want any male children or teenagers to come to this lecture.

ah-pee-chorus

The wife should walk several feet behind her husband, senior hasidim explained,

and yet the clueless charedi women will continue to say with a straight face that they arent discriminated against. and ortho "feminists" always tell me that women are actually held in very high regard by the torah and that their role is in many ways higher than a mans. facts arent high on their list of important things.

Flatbusher

Their lust for control knows no boundaries esp. if they have complying people who are born into the sect, get no education, is brainwashed since age 0, and can't go anywhere else.

Vishnitz hails from a section of Transylvania (yes Dracula country) called Marmorosh. The are is knows for stupid backward people. In Yiddish a "maramorosher" = el stupido. This proves it.

Good news is the law of physics: every action begets a reaction, and one explosion cum revolution will be coming as day follows night.

ah-pee-chorus

all of the above comments are great.

i'm curious as to what is the m'kor (source) as well as the rationale for this latest ruling.
and will the disingenuous charedi apologists continue to blame the lack of charedim in the workplace on discrimination? by limiting their knowledge of hebrew (to go along with science, civics, history and math) this ignorant leader is furthering and extending his followers path to guaranteed poverty and the need for govt. welfare to live and eat. he is like a thief.

Gold

Smh.

"women who do not want to abide by this should not marry in the sect." They would be doing them a favor.

Adams

Theirs is a very unsophisticated to say the least approach to life's problems.
The first mistake extremists Frumma make, is the idea that you have to govern people's personal private lives. This is the ultimate nanny state. These Chassidim have no personal freedom. and they think this is good. It is not good but it also is ok if that is what you want to do. But leave people the choice and freedome to conversate to think highly of the women rather than describe them in demonic terms.
this whole modesty thing is cruel and sick,

it is the men who must learn to grow up and be men, not 10-11 year old boys.

SMR

They should consider becoming Jewish. Judaism is a beautiful religion with distantly resembles what these people do.

mb

May they walk alongside someone elses wife?

Jeff

More importantly - are they allowed to take pictures of shoes?

Jeff

Each generation is crazier than the one that preceded it.

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