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February 05, 2013

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different dave

sounds like they are saying if a black family moves in, well there goes the neighborhood, because stores will be robbed and all that bigoted shit

Maskil

The Thin Jew Line

S M L

"...they don't want more Orthodox Jews to move to Westhampton Beach...."

That may be however there's nothing that can be done legally to keep anyone out who can afford to purchase a home there or to stay in a hotel. What the Orthodox don't buy on shabbat they buy on other days of the week. However haredim make themselves undesirable by their very pointed shunning of non-Haredim, of American societal norms and by their insularity, uninvolvement in non-Haredi community activity and general 'otherness'.

It sounds as if the lady from the Hampton Synagogue is MO and thus at the less-extreme end of the spectrum of observant Jews. What the community is reacting to is the possibility of a Haredi influx eventually reaching a tipping point which is a legitimate if not a politically correct concern. I wouldn't want that to happen in my town either.

Haredim draw such a bright line between themselves and everyone else that they are unassimilable (by intent) and in a municipality that they don't dominate are largely alien, like a transplant that didn't take but manages to wall itself off and survive.

That aside there is no reason why a utility company must accommodate an eruv on its poles unless state or local law compels it to. It just doesn't have to make that accommodation. An eruv is something one group wants. What if the local Wiccans decide they need to have a rubber chicken tacked to each phone pole surrounding their neighborhood? Or the Catholics demand crucifixes? Those would be no less legitimate requests. Should they necessarily be granted? There's another solution: the Orthodox can move close enough to their temple to be able to walk there comfortably. Or they can put up a wireless eruv, like an invisible fence. I wonder if that would do, though I suppose they'd balk at carrying the receivers that would warn when they're crossing the eruv.

Chazal Qaeda

What does an eruv have to do with stores being closed on Saturday?

nachos

“There’s more feelings of anti-Semitism here now than there has ever been.”


We wonder why they hate us.

Yochanan Lavie

An eruv hurts no one, and compromises nobody's rights. Not only Orthodox, but Orthoprax Conservative Jews rely on an eruv. I can understand the secular residents' misgivings about becoming an Orthodox ghetto, but in this case I say too bad. Denying an eruv for no compelling reason is de facto discrimination. In return, Orthodox Jews should strive to be good neighbors who are polite and do not undermine the public schools they choose not to use. Unfortunately, that hasn't always been the case.

If everybody acts a Mensch (both sides) this sort of controversy wouldn't happen.

David

I can't help thinking that all this came about because the frumma were too "in your face" about this.

In any case, why is it even necessary to exploit this bizarre loop hole?

And how ridiculous does this make us look to the Gentiles?

Runner1983

I have actually thought about what my position might be if Orthodox Jews were to request that an eruv be established in my town. I would be against it. I do not feel that this type or any type of religious accommodation should be granted on public property.

John Nagle, Silicon Valley, CA

The "big eruv" concept has always struck me as cheating. As I understand it, the religious concept is that you're supposed to stay home and not do activities beyond your home's walls. Hacking that concept to allow running a wire around large areas to escape a religious obligation seems like cheating God out of something. I'd expect that anyone orthodox enough to care about an eruv would consider a symbolic eruv to be improper. Not so?

seymour

this has nothing to do with Goyim, antisemitism,or self hating Jews.

The people who oppose the erov are just a front for yeshivas guys who are only doing this to make sure that no one carries and is not mechalel shabbos. They do this, since they do not believe an eruv is kosher in many of these places. It is only lashem shemayim

Maskil

Posted by: seymour | February 05, 2013 at 03:30 PM

;) - Nice!

Jeff

The concept of an eruv lost all meaning for me when I learned I still couldn't carry an umbrella.

The frum Jew - the only sentient being too dumb to come in out of the rain.

Pagan

Runner 1983, I agree with you. Using a public space - and public amenities - for religious purposes is a clear violation of the First Amendment.

And considering how many Jews go ballistic over a Nativity scene in the public square, they should not be surprised that what goes around, comes around.

under duress

Just keep them all in New York, please.

under duress

I wish someone would ask that Charles guy if he has any problem with Provincetown becoming overrun by gays, because that's one group that took over a town whether the locals liked it or not.

Dov

Eruvs are a stupid idea. Trying to fool G-d doesn't work. Do any of you really think that G-d thinks the entire town is your house? And if it IS your "house", then you are responsible for the treif contained within. If there is pork inside one of the homes contained within the Eruv, then you are responsible for that treif. It's ridiculous, all around.

Apostate

They really did make the Five Towns an undesirable place to visit. The upscale character has been lost, and now the place is overrun with wig shops, frummie clothing joints, judaica stores and frummie families with 11 kids. Central Avenue delivers you via time warp to 19th century Poland.

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