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January 22, 2013

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Alter Kocker

And may he be the favorite among cell-mates. He will know what rape is in prison, and pay for all of the destruction left in his wake.

dh

BRAVO!!!!!! He's not smirking anymore.

Close quotes on Hynes' remarks. Can't tell if he is still calling it "counseling."

Hynes will jump on any ship that isn't sinking.

R. Wisler

Oy veh... Hynes is a groisse anti-Semite and an "Amelek-like Zionist" for persecuting this righteous Toirah-dikke mentsch who was simply doing what was normal behavior in the "Alter Heim".

Bas Melech

The DA finally got it right! Most sex offenders receive light sentences, especially frum ones. This should be the beginning of a new trend of justice for the victim.

FM Fan

When does he have to surrender?

Aussie 2

If he is lucky he will get Bubba for a cell-mate and he can try out his counselling skills with him!

Devorah

Let's all have a drink tonight/today about this sentencing. L'Chaim to all his victims. May you know no more heartache and may you start to heal.

rebitzman

They let him off with a slap on the hand - he'll probably get out after 40.

Apostate

I'd love to see a civil suit filed, and the victim awarded a few hundred thousand bucks. This would help her escape the frummies and make a new start.

How much is it going to cost the taxpayers to keep this douchebag in jail? I assume he'll demand strictly kosher food and get it.

S M L

L'Chaim to all his victims. May you know no more heartache and may you start to heal.

Amen.

Meg

Does anyone know what sentence Emanuel Yegutkin recieved? His trial did not recieve as much attention, but I followed it closely. However, I'm not able to find his final sentence.

Mr. Nowhere

May he live till a hundred and twenty!

Luke

It's an apologists haven over in VIN while Yossi Gestetner is tweeting up a storm of "he said, she said" rants punctuated with a random "Beyonce lip-synched the national anthem" news item. Is our community that fractured and that callous? There are no winners in this but collectively we need to realize the enormity of this situation and take real steps towards change. Sad. Luke

Luke

Devorah:

"L'Chaim to all his victims. May you know no more heartache and may you start to heal."

Hear, Hear ! Luke

jancsibacsi

Theese hassidim will never accept reality or the truth, it is their worst enemy it is very sad to see what is happening in the hassidishe communities ,but they have no one to blame but themselfs,they are their own worst enemy.

Alter Kocker

I had not considered a civil suit until now, but that would make entirely too much sense. Let the girl and her father, who has been vilified by Teitelbaum, sue the crap out of that cult, the school, Weberman's family and just about anyone else associated with trying to shut her up.

Time for the fuckers to pay, and pay dearly. A big fat reward will send them into apoplexy.

ah-pee-chorus

Devorah -

well said.

he earned every one of the 103 years. if other victims had pressed charges he may have gotten 500 years.

ironically and sadly, webermans family will have less problems getting shidduchim than the poor victim.

i hope she presses forward with a $100M civil suit against UTJ and not only bankrupts them, but exposes their real-estate shenanigans and those behind it to fcriminal charges.

put a square into a hole

To Mr. nowhere

May he live till 162.
To bad this scumbag will rot in jail. He is WORSE than a murderer he killed the safety and integrity of innocent girls. All for some self gratification. He will now have a nice 103 years to pleasure himself.......

He is now going to pay for what he did to Rabbi Pinnye Korf
Its never to late to get what you deserve

Flatbusher

He deserves prison time, much prison time, and add on for a lesson to be learned by the community, but lets be fair: 103 years?

Murderers (meaning sexually abusing someone and then killing) get 25 years.

jancsibacsi

Flatbusher-You are right he doesnt deserve 103 years,he deserves to be skinned alive slowly until he dies,but tragically that cannot be done in our society .

Lubavitchers Are Christians

Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the haredis.

But seriously, Levi Ahron got 40 years, and this guy got 103 years? Does this make sense to anyone?

Maybe it makes sense because Leiby Kletzky was tortured for but a few hours, while Weberman's victim was raped for three years. I don't know. Leiby was killed though. Chopped up.

Anyone?

seymour

Posted by: Flatbusher | January 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

I guess we are in the minority I agree with you

Shmarya

But seriously, Levi Ahron got 40 years, and this guy got 103 years? Does this make sense to anyone?

Maybe it makes sense because Leiby Kletzky was tortured for but a few hours, while Weberman's victim was raped for three years. I don't know. Leiby was killed though. Chopped up.

Anyone?

Posted by: Lubavitchers Are Christians | January 22, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Typical of you.

Levi Aron was sentenced to 40 years to life, not "40 years."

jancsibacsi

seymour -So how many years do you think he should sit?i think until he dies if he cannot be skinned alive, then no freedom for him, who cares if its 103 or a thousand years,once he is there for life

Eli

He's getting 103 years because he was sentenced for 59 counts. That averages less than 2 years per count. I don't see how this is excessive at all.

Garnel Ironheart

That's what I like about the American system. You put 'em away and keep 'em away!
In Canada we have consecutive sentences so Weberman would probably be serving no more than 10 years and be eligible for parole after 4 or something like that.

John Nagle, Silicon Valley, CA

When does he have to surrender?

Surrender? He's been in jail since the conviction on December 12, 2012. He spent three days at Rykers, and then was moved to the Tombs in lower Manhattan.

Soon he'll be moved from NYC jail to a New York State prison. The state holds all the long-sentence prisoners.

seymour

Posted by: jancsibacsi | January 22, 2013 at 01:09 PM

I can never know your pain. But what is jail for, revenge, deterrent, rehabilitation?

I am just looking at other crimes and comparing the sentencing and i feel 103 is out of wack

Yochanan Lavie

Apologies to: Jokerman, Bob Dylan:

Standing in the courtroom, stroking your beard
While the eyes of the idol called the Satmar Rav are glowering
Victim's statements gave the DA grist
You were born with a penis in both of your fists while a frum mohel was blowing
Freedom just a 100 years off for you
But with good behavior, you might do half of it, nu.

Refrain:
Weberman dance to the Hassidic tune
Jail bird now by the judge's doom
Oy, oy, oy, Weberman.

So swiftly "Gevalt!" your friends schrei
You rise up and say goodbye and "sholom."
Shuls say psalms while angels shake their heads
But your future's so full of dread, Bubba will own you
Shedding off one more layer of clothes
Keeping one step ahead of what the prosecutor knows.

Refrain.

You're a man of the Mitzvot, you can act like a Yid
Manipulator of kids, you're a mind twister
You're going to Sodom and Gomorrah
But what do you care? Ain't nobody there would count you out of a minyan
Friend to the Rebbe, a counselor to women of shame
You look into the maidelachs' secrets, seduce them without any blame.

Refrain.

Well, the Artscroll Leviticus and Deuteronomy
The law of the jungle and the Rebbe are your only teachers
In the smoke of the twilight during Melaveh Malka
A police mug shot indeed could've captured your features
Resting in the office, far from the turbulent pace
Half asleep on the couch with a small girl licking your face.

Refrain.

Well, the bloggers are stalking the sickly insane
Charlie Hynes seeks the same, who'll get the worst is uncertain
Night vigils and pidyon shvuyim, tehillim,
Mountain Dew cocktails at kiddish be working
Fierce hearted judges denying the Weberman spin
Only a matter of time 'til Bubba slips it in.

Refrain.

It's a goyishe world, torah's slipping away
A woman just gave birth to a gilgul and dressed him like Poland
He'll put the pols in his pocket, put a hechsher on the meat
Take the Jewish children off the street
And place them at the feet of an asshole, man
Oy, Weberman, you know what he wants
Oy, Weberman, you don't show any remorse.

Refrain.

split

He's gonna need a lot of lubricant in there a lot ;) ,...

Joe Field

Posted by: seymour | January 22, 2013 at 01:31 PM

I agree that if you superficially just look at the sentence you might have a point. Nevertheless, in our system besides finding the person guilty the judge would look at the person how he present himself after the trial, is the defendant showing any contrition? The answer is no, not only is he not showing any remorse but he and his ilk continue to punish the victim and her family. That is why he bought himself the additional years.

jancsibacsi

I saw him on the news being sentenced he looked very down i do feel a deep sorrow when i see a yid like that, cant help it, but his own yiddin dont do any self correcting by stopping all theese misfits among them they let theese things go for decades and even now shamelessly backed him those enablers are just as guilty as he is

Yosef ben Matitya

mazel tov! maybe that's why the satmer (spelled sotmor in yiddish -go figure) rebbe escaped to israel?!

jancsibacsi

Yosef ben Matitya-The problem is that the rebbe is coming back from israel its not sotmor its pronounced satmar i should know i am from that neighborhood

Harvey

103 years....... can you imagine all the "learning" he will accomplish. But, he will have to learn standing up because his tuchus is really, really, really going to hurt!

jew

Boruch Dayan Hoemes...

S M L

He's gonna need a lot of lubricant in there a lot ;) ,...

Posted by: split | January 22, 2013 at 01:43 PM

YL: how about a riff on Poison Ivy - something about an ocean of calamine lotion, only not exactly calamine....

Office of the Chief Rabbi

YL -
Great. Good choice.

Jake

Garnel,

I think you mean concurrent sentences. Meaning there maybe 59 convicted counts but he starts them at the same time and out in 10 years.


We have that as well. We also have consecutive where they serve one sentence after another, consecutively.

Lubavitchers Are Christians


But seriously, Levi Ahron got 40 years, and this guy got 103 years? Does this make sense to anyone?

Maybe it makes sense because Leiby Kletzky was tortured for but a few hours, while Weberman's victim was raped for three years. I don't know. Leiby was killed though. Chopped up.

Anyone?

Posted by: Lubavitchers Are Christians | January 22, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Typical of you.

Levi Aron was sentenced to 40 years to life, not "40 years."

Posted by: Shmarya | January 22, 2013 at 01:08 PM

Really? And what's your point?

Levi Aaron will be out of jail after 40 years for good behavior. He chopped up a kid.

Weberman raped a girl and will get out of jail after 103 years for good behavior.

If this makes sense to you, please explain. To me it doesn't make sense.

I have no problem with Weberman sitting in jail for 500 years. I'm just trying to understand the NY justice system.

Not sure what the "typical of you" comment was supposed to mean.

Eli, what me messiah?

Yerachmiel Lopin has been following the case closely and I hope he will post his view on this sentencing. Really curious. I've been following the antics of the Satmar rebbe in recent days, and it is reasonable to wonder whether a fake counselor like Weberman could have persisted so long in abusing a child client in another community.

Also, like LAC, I do not understand NY sentencing and would appreciate if someone could explain how many years W will realistically have to do.

rebitzman

YL - will be cranking up Dylan for the drive home and changing the lyrics in my mind.

"You were born with a penis in both of your fists while a frum mohel was blowing"

You're a sick man (and I mean that in the best way possible)!

Sam

He got 100 years because his friends did (illegally and disrespectfully) fight the whole justice system.

The same reason SMR got 27 years, because even after he got caught he showed a lot of disrespect for the justice system.

That's how the justice system operates, you may defend yourself but if you show disrespect (especially if you illegally fight them) you will get 100 years for jaywalking.

Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law

f this guy does not go into protective custody, then he won't last long before he's shanked in the shower. I didn't practice criminal defense very long, but long enough to know that child molesters/child rapists are right down there with snitches in the inmate hierarchy; and unless they are in protective custody, some of them don't last very long.

It's hard to keep a secret in prison, so unless this guy can somehow convince people here's in there for tax evasion or money laundering, I would not be betting on his longevity.

And forget about him doing his time in some low to minimum security place, either. Type of offense, along with sentence, usually determine placement, so I'm guessing he is heading to either a max security or at least a medium security place.

And hopefully, this sends a "Loud and clear" message to that community that these monsters will not continue to prey upon their victims, and escape unharmed....but knowing that community....I'm not optimistic.

jancsibacsi

He weberman is a product of his community they are all guilty since they kept quiet about this and other molestations for the past 40 or so years and even now have absolutly no shame in defending him ,they are their own worst enemy not the goyim..

Wigmore

Lubavitchers Are Christians,

You're still missing the point, I'm afraid. Weberman could have negotiated and taken a plea just like Aron but he did not. Instead, he pleaded not guilty and made the government prove its case, which it did. Once you do that it is foolish to expect the same kind of deal. Moreover, his defense was not simply a demand that the government rebut the presumption of innocence. What he did was put the complainant through hell. This was surely in the mind of the sentencing judge.

Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law, as a fellow lawyer, for your amusement, take a look at VIN. Among the more outrageous comments is one suggesting that there is no jail under Halacha (is this true?) and therefore any sentence of imprisonment is ipso facto unjust. (N.B. no one there has invoked the Eight Amendment.)

I'd like to ask any of these great minds what a beth din would do with a rapist. Anyone know? Malkos? Would they prefer that?

FM readers may be interested to know that it seems that YWN removed all discussion of Weberman; at least I can no longer find it. Typical.

JOHN JAY MASTERS

YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE REAL ISSUE OF JUSTICE. WHEN WEBERMAN GOT 103 HE DID NOT KILL ANYONE. THE 103 IS A FLAT SENTENCE, WHEREAS THE 40 TO LIFE MEANS THAT THE GUY WOULD HAVE TO DO 40 YEARS BEFORE BEING ELIGIBLE FOR PAROLE. BUT AT 103 WEBERMAN MUST DO AT LEAST 85 YEARS FLAT.

SO THE ISSUE OF SENTENCING MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENCE. MOST KILLERS GET 8 1/3 TO 25. MOST KLLERS WILL BE RELEASED. BUT NOT WEBERMAN. THIS IS A LIFE SENTENCE. EVEN IF CUT TO 30 YEARS ITS A LIFE SENTENCE.

MOST CHILD SEX CRIMES WITHOUT A DEATH ARE ABOUT 5 YEARS.

Yochanan Lavie

Thanks Rebbitzman, OCR and SML.

Sam

As is said before, he got 103 Y because of all the intimidation against the family of the victim. The Judge said that he was surprised of the intimidation even AFTER he was found guilty, that's why he got what he got.

flatearth

MOST CHILD SEX CRIMES WITHOUT A DEATH ARE ABOUT 5 YEARS.

Unless you come from New Square, then you get probation. F.U. Zugibe

Rebitzman

Levi Aaron will be out of jail after 40 years for good behavior.

Not a chance in hell.

Bas Melech

The purpose of criminal sanctions are to punish the offender, deter potential offenders, and rehabilitation. Satmar and Weberman's behavior toward the victim and her family had an impact on the sentence. The judge probably hopes that the chasidim might refrain from this in the future. Also, the judge knows that Weberman's other victims are afraid file criminal complaints because of this intimidation. More important, Weberman showed no remorse.

102 years is a long time, but it fits the crimes.

Judge Dredd

I think Emanuel Yegutkin's sentencing is going to be in February. There's very little danger of rape in protective custody especially for an old codger like Weberman. Anyway, Hashem rules the world and doesn't miss a thing so nobody has to worry about Weberman's tochus needing or not needing lubrication because a rape down here is one less rape in Hell.

jancsibacsi

Judge Dredd-judge i think you should clean up youre mind,if you consider youreself to me superior to weberman no need to graphically describe,otherwise you are ok

Realistic

It is extremely important that 103 man years are actually served, so I hereby order both Mr. Zalman Teitelbaum & Mr. Aron Teitelbaum, to remove themselves from their power struggle, and sit in jail with Weberman, in a bid to serve 1003 man years.

Meanwhile, is his wife getting divorced, so that she can again get married, so that she shan't be sex starved for the next 1003 years. Weberman certainly won't be getting conjugal visits with his wife, and besides he shall have Sp many fellow prisoners vying for his sexual activity, that weberman wouldn't even need conjugal visits with his soon to be divorced wife.

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