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January 22, 2013

Vicious Anti-Zionist Children’s Book Distributed By Satmar In Hopes Of Convincing Haredim Not To Vote

Satmar kids book Zionists laughing as Nazis send haredim to AuschwitzTens of thousands of copies of a children’s book depicting Zionists as Nazi collaborators have been published and distributed in haredi areas of Israel by Satmar hasidim in the hope that this propaganda will influence the parents of those children and cause them not to vote in today’s national elections.

Satmar kids book Zionists laughing as Nazis send haredim to Auschwitz
Laughing Zionists: “Only through blood will we get the Land [of Israel].”

Vicious Anti-Zionist Children’s Book Distributed By Satmar In Hopes Of Convincing Haredim Not To Vote
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Tens of thousands of copies of a children’s book depicting Zionists as Nazi collaborators have been published and distributed in haredi areas of Israel by Satmar hasidim in the hope that this propaganda will influence the parents of those children and cause them not to vote in today’s national elections, Behadrei Haredim reports.

The illustrated book purports to tell the story of the State of Israel’s founding, but it does so ahistorically, painting Zionists as Nazi collaborators and destroyers of the ‘true’ Jewish religion.

One picture in the book shows a small haredi boy resisting while Zionists forcibly cut his peyos, forelocks. The boy cries out,"Father and Mother in the World of Truth [Heaven]! See what evil they do to me, make a great tumult for me before the Heavenly Throne [God].”

Another picture shows a ship full of haredi refugees trying to immigrate to Israel. But Zionists have convinced the British Army to attack the ship and sink it. Haredim on the ship cry out, “Help us!” as other haredim try to swim to shore. Zionists stand off to the side and with a sense of satisfaction say, "Wow! That turned out better than we expected.”

Yet another picture depicts a haredi Yemenite man who goes to a Zionist doctor with his baby. The doctor sells the baby to a secular Jew. "Doctor! My son has a fever," the haredi father says. The doctor answers, "If so, we need to immediately hospitalize him.”

In a different picture on the same page another secular man comes to the clinic and gives the doctor $20,000. After the doctor takes the money, he tells the Yemenite father in the third panel, "Your son died."

In what is perhaps the worst slur in the book, in another picture a group of haredim with children are boarding a cattle car to a death camp as Nazi soldiers urge them on. Standing off to the side are three laughing secular Zionists who exclaim, “Only through blood will we get the Land [of Israel].”

The distribution of the book coincides with today’s national elections and with the visit to Israel of the Williamsburg Satmar Rebbe Rabbi Zalman Leib Teitelbaum, perhaps the most anti-Zionist haredi rabbi alive.

Teitelbaum’s great-uncle, Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum, was the first Satmar Rebbe.

He was saved from the Holocaust by a Zionist, Rudolph Kasztner, who Oskar Schindler of Schindler’s List fame called the bravest man he ever knew. Kasztner saved more Jews from the Holocaust than any other Jew was able to do.

Satmar has spent the past 68 years smearing Kasztner.

Yoel Teitelbaum – whose anti-Zionist theology and behind-the-scenes attempts to scuttle Zionist outreach in Satmar and surrounding areas eventually cost hundreds of Jews their lives – refused to thank Kasztner for rescuing him or even acknowledge that he had been rescued by Kasztner.

Teitelbaum went to his grave 35 years after being rescued without ever saying anything positive about Kasztner, Zionists or the State of Israel.

Satmar kids anti-zionist book cut off peyos
Satmar anti-Zionist kids book turn away refugee ship
Satmar anti-Zionist kids book doctor kid dead

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How many Jews did Katsner save?

It is well known and documented that the Zionists cut off Peyot of Temani children and tried their best, with some success, to secularise them.

In this respect, both the Nazis and the Zionists cut off Peyot of observant jews. Arguably, the Zionists were worse, because the Nazis did it only for fun/mockery, whereas the Zionists did it to completely remove the children's Jewish identity.

The other comparisons, however, are deplorable.

I just don't understand. They are quite happy not to work or educate their children thus creating generations of parasites but they are still happy to expect welfare and other benefits from the evil Zionists.

They should all move to Iran. (Or be air-dropped there out the back of a C-130, parachute optional.)

Good to see no females in the pictures thus showing the uneducated children a truly balanced and natural view of society.

How many Jews did Katsner save?

Posted by: ... | January 22, 2013 at 05:40 AM

More than 1600 on the train and approximately 20,000 from work camps in the final few weeks of the war with Becher.

Correction: There IS a female in the second picture. It's hard to tell at the resolution presented but does that bovine have an UDDER?

The beards won't be able to control themselves.

Posted by: David | January 22, 2013 at 05:52 AM

Officially at least, Satmar doesn't take any money from the state.

Unofficially, they allegedly find ways to steal money from the government through fake yeshiva students registered in haredi schools that do take money.

There were several major arrests related to this scam last year.

This is great news. I'm happy to see the charedi parties get less votes.

MosheCohen -The payes is a phallick symbol they should be tucked in not hanging down like 2 you know what besides i dont beleive that they were cut down its still not destroying them physically like the natzis did youre a fool

Scotty boy, you fucking maggot, die.

Scotty boy, you fucking maggot, die.

Posted by: Yurtur Binsonfire | January 22, 2013 at 06:32 AM

What's the matter, little man? Can't you stand the truth?

Does exposing the bad behavior of Satmar deeply trouble you?

Perhaps it is you who should be cursed.

Scotty boy, you fucking maggot, die.

Posted by: Yurtur Binsonfire | January 22, 2013 at 06:32 AM

why because he is showing satmar for what they are

interesting that they only show frum Jews getting on the holocaust. Because they died only because they where frum not because they where jews

"It is well known and documented that the Zionists cut off Peyot of Temani children and tried their best, with some success, to secularise them.

In this respect, both the Nazis and the Zionists cut off Peyot of observant jews. Arguably, the Zionists were worse, because the Nazis did it only for fun/mockery, whereas the Zionists did it to completely remove the children's Jewish identity."

Sorry to burst your naive bubble, but Satmar did the same to Lubavitch, about 30 years ago the Satmars kidnapped a Lubavitcher and cut his beard and Peyot....

And regarding Satmar and the Yemenites and the taking away of children, google "In Satmar Custody" to see Satmar separating Yemenite children from their parents once they get to the US. Or maybe it's been written about on this site already.

And regarding Satmar and the Yemenites and the taking away of children, google "In Satmar Custody" to see Satmar separating Yemenite children from their parents once they get to the US. Or maybe it's been written about on this site already.

Posted by: David | January 22, 2013 at 07:24 AM

Yes, it has.

I also posted the video documentary.

Rare View -You are the ultimate moron,if the zionists wanted to get rid of the ultra religious they could do it very easily ,just by not financing their stupid lifestyle, if not the zionists you guys would be in the dumps no one mocks the hassidim specially the satmerers as much as they mock themselfs they are the true fools shoites of this planet.

Rare View -Sorry i see now youre on our side meant to write that to those imbacile satmerers

Unfortunately, the children of Yemen's forced assimilation and conversion to secular is possibly the biggest black mark against the Jewish state.

The book published by Satmar forces: The Children of Yemen Accuse (as well as their Holocause Victims Accuse) will turn your stomach.

These are damming damming books.

I've never seen them refuted.

Kastner was small potatos compared to some of this stuff.

In response to your comments to me:

MosheCohen -The payes is a phallick symbol they should be tucked in not hanging down like 2 you know what

besides i dont beleive that they were cut down

its still not destroying them physically like the natzis did youre a fool

Posted by: jancsibacsi | January 22, 2013 at 06:17 AM

1. Whether or not the peyos are a phallic symbol (maybe in your sex-obsessed view they are, but I have never heard anyone else consider it so) is irrelevant. Surely you agree the Nazis were wrong for foisting their anti-semitic/anti-religious views on harmless people. Likewise, the Zionists were wrong for foisting their anti-religious views on harmless people...children, actually.

2. It is very well known. The fact that you don't believe it is irrelevant.

3. I wasn't comparing the Zionists wholly to the Nazis - of course the Nazis are worse. I was comparing, in isolation, the act of peyos cutting, which is identical (who do you think the Zionists got it from?), and the motives behind the cutting, which IMO were worse in the case of the Zionists than the Nazis.

Addendum:

You are welcome to disagree but at least try to be coherent and polite. Rambling on is not your fault, perhaps, due to your limited education/upbringing, but even you can be polite. You don't need to call people 'fool' just because you don't agree (especially when it becomes patently obvious that you missed my point).

In this respect, both the Nazis and the Zionists cut off Peyot of observant jews.

Yes, and George Washington and Adolf Hitler both wore boots. Does that make them morally equivalent?

There is no question that some of the attitudes and actions by the early Zionist movement/Israeli establishment towards Jews or immigrants they saw as "other" was shoddy. Be it racist attitudes towards Sephardim, an uber-secular bias against Orthodoxy, or a disgust for the lack of fighting spirit (or suspicions about the moral fiber) of Holocaust survivors (this last one amply documented in Segev's Seventh Million), the early Zionists made plenty of mistakes. Responsible historians and educators should point out these shameful incidents and bring them to the public's awareness so the exclusionary and superior ethos behind them can be confronted and the pain caused to its targets acknowledged.

However that's a world apart from what this Satmar book is, which is pure propaganda, and ironically coming from a community whose ethos is just as exclusionary and superior as anything the early Zionist establishment might have thought up. A broken clock is still right twice a day. The fact that one of the Satmar examples is based on history doesn't negate the fact that the project as a whole is incendiary drivel meant to further brainwash its target audience and keep them from participating in a political process they have the right to engage in. And the fact that this is coming from a sect who over the years has emphatically shown total contempt for objective history makes the whole thing all the more perverse.

Yes, one of their five or six absurd examples bordering on blood libels wasn't completely made up. That doesn't mean they aren't full of crap.

Disgusting pathetic book.
However, to bring in to the discussion Satmars relationship with Kastner (which is completely irrelevant to the sickness of this book) without bringing forth the debated viewpoint about Kastner including Judge Benjamin Halevi's ruling (an Israeli Court) that Kastner collaborated with Nazi's in which he called Kastner "one who sold his soul to the devil" is unbalanced journalism. I have no clue whether Kastner did or didn't but merely quoting Schindler without the broader scope of Kastner's debated legacy is misrepresentation, even if you don't agree with the other viewpoints. For more information about why Satmar (along with many others) may not be so forgiving and thankful to Kastner, read his wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Kasztner .
If you feel that Satmar should have thanked him in spite of their perceived opinion of him, thats an interesting opinion piece and one that I'm sure the readers here would enjoy to debate.

Why not develop and distribute an illustrated chidren's book targeting the very same audience showing the Satmar Rebbe advising families to stay put in Europe for their annihilation while he got out safely on a Zionist train?

You should not only watch in satmar custody, but also RABBI ahron tietelbaum has called the victim of the convicted pedophile and pervert, Nechemya Weberman a whore, satmar (both ahronim and zallies) raised funds for the convicted pedophile nechemya weberman.


Why not develop and distribute an illustrated chidren's book targeting the very same audience showing the Satmar Rebbe advising families to stay put in Europe for their annihilation while he got out safely on a Zionist train?

Posted by: Bill | January 22, 2013 at 08:30 AM


Is that really true? Can you please link to a source for that information? (for both parts of your comment - that he told them to stay, and that he got out on a zionist train.)

Thanks.

Disgusting pathetic book.
However, to bring in to the discussion Satmars relationship with Kastner (which is completely irrelevant to the sickness of this book) without bringing forth the debated viewpoint about Kastner including Judge Benjamin Halevi's ruling (an Israeli Court) that Kastner collaborated with Nazi's in which he called Kastner "one who sold his soul to the devil" is unbalanced journalism. I have no clue whether Kastner did or didn't but merely quoting Schindler without the broader scope of Kastner's debated legacy is misrepresentation, even if you don't agree with the other viewpoints. For more information about why Satmar (along with many others) may not be so forgiving and thankful to Kastner, read his wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Kasztner .
If you feel that Satmar should have thanked him in spite of their perceived opinion of him, thats an interesting opinion piece and one that I'm sure the readers here would enjoy to debate.

Posted by: moshe | January 22, 2013 at 08:26 AM

Please.

Halevi's ruling – which was based on BS spewed by Shmuel Tamir, who was trying to smear Kasztner in order to hurt Begin and grab control of Herut in the process – was overturned.

Actual academic scholarship (rather than the polemics haredim live with) shows that Kasztner saved those people.

The problem is that Israel's hard right and haredim don't care what the truth is. Kasztner will always be evil to them, even though he was in the eyes of those who knew like Oskar Schindle a very brave man and a hero – something, BTW, none of your rebbes was.

Moshe, since when was wikipedia used for factual research?

Actual academic scholarship (rather than the polemics haredim live with) shows that Kasztner saved those people.

The problem is that Israel's hard right and haredim don't care what the truth is. Kasztner will always be evil to them, even though he was in the eyes of those who knew like Oskar Schindle a very brave man and a hero – something, BTW, none of your rebbes was.

Posted by: Shmarya | January 22, 2013 at 08:46 AM

Also see here for a different perspective:

http://www.hirhome.com/israel/perfidy.pdf

Posted by: MosheCohen | January 22, 2013 at 09:15 AM

This is why people think you're insane.

You're citing a 50 year old book written by a playwright/journalist that has been conclusively disproved by years of research.

Ben Hecht wrote what Tamir told him. Tamir was dishonest. Hecht's book is 90% BS.

Only an idiot cites a book that has zero credibility and is decades old and writes, "See here for a different perspective,"

You should be ashamed of yourself.

This is why people think you're insane.

You're citing a 50 year old book written by a playwright/journalist that has been conclusively disproved by years of research.

Ben Hecht wrote what Tamir told him. Tamir was dishonest. Hecht's book is 90% BS.

Posted by: Shmarya | January 22, 2013 at 09:22 AM

1. Shmarya, you're the first one to suggest I'm insane. Why do you so often resort to petty name calling when someone says something you don't disagree with?

2. I had no idea it was disproven, please provide sources.

If they hate Israel that much the solution is simple.

Deport them all to Yemen, Egypt, Iran and Afghanistan. Or just declare them outlaws. If they hate Israel that much let them live completely outside the protection of its laws - anyone can beat them, rob them or kill them, throw them out of their homes and take their children to be raised by Gentiles without penalty.

Posted by: MosheCohen | January 22, 2013 at 09:27 AM

Oh, please. If you're serious – and I'm not sure about that – you need to ask yourself why you believe a 50 year old book written by a party hack based on lies he was told by Tamir – lies the party hack embellished, as well.

Simple logic would tell you to reject it.

Past that, you can read my many posts on this to see some sources, and you can read Anna Porter's Kasztner's Train and see the documentary Killing Kasztner.

Those idiots don't realize that they could have escaped the Nazi slaughter if they would have gone to Isreal with the early Zionists.

@ Shmarya
Please.
Like I said, you are entitled to your opinion and it is well within the framework of some cademic scholarship. There are many people that question Kastners morality including the Judges that overruled the decision (which happened after he died). Even those Judges agreed that Kastner's assisting Nazi war criminals was terrible. Once again to quote wikipedia, "All five Supreme Court Judges upheld Judge Halevi's verdict on the "criminal and perjurious way" in which Kastner after the war had saved Nazi war criminal Becher. Judge Silberg summed up the Supreme Court finding on this point: "Greenwald has proven beyond any reasonable doubt this grave charge." Many people believe that the court overruled the decision to put the issue behind them ala the pardoning of Nixon. Like I said, you can disagree with it but to portray Kastner as a hero without the context of his debated legacy is silly. Every Academic work about Kastner puts his legacy into context and describes the debate as ongoing, even if they find that he might very well have been a hero. Your article and comments insinuate the debate is over. You are treating Kastner as you claim Chassidim treat their Rebbe's :) I end with one question. Do you not like when people disagree with you? Isn't the point of the comments to debate the issues or are they just to praise you?

As someone who learned in Satmar in his youth I understand the psyche much better than all of you.

1. Underlying this trip and its anti Zionist propaganda is something much deeper. Zalmen Leib is asserting his control by the raison d'etre of Satmar --- Anti Zionism --- vis a vis his brother Aron. The KJ Satmar Rebbe Aron T. has to shut up now election time since two of his brother in laws the Belzer Rebbe & Vishnitzaer Rebbe are exhorting their minions to VOTE. If AT were to be in Israel now he could not do what ZT is doing now. Hence ZT is showing the Satmars who inherited the TRUE mantle of Satmer. It is he as he has the guts to say what AT can't or won't in Israel.

2. Going back generations there is a terrible guilt hanging over Satmar et al. which filtered down the generations unbeknownest to them. These ultra Rabbis told their people not to flee in the 30's as 'it won't come here' to Hungary.

Instead of admitting after the war, that they goofed ,and they were not able to see in the heavens what's coming --- big time --- they demonize the Zionists who BTW (esp. Jabotisnsky) were saying in the 30's that a Holocaust is coming.

3. The comic book shtick though is new, and this will backfire. It was never done before though the 'comic book technology' has existed before WWII. The old Satmar Rebbe would never get so graphic as this will revolt many other groups including the ultra orthodox.

MosheCohen -You have to understand we live in a modern world even in those days when they bought the yemnis to israel,as i see it the payes is ainvitation to our enemies to make a mockery out of the jews it is a sort of self mockery especially the way the hassidim wear it in a way i think they yeminites whos payes were cut are better of more adjusted to the real world as the saying goes when in rome do as the romans do todays world is not the world of a thousand years ago,there is a chineese saying the nail that sticks out has to be knocked down.

Moshe Cohen does not explain why having children wear peyos is so important for Hareidim and why it is right for society to regard this as a form of child abuse. (Incidentally the Nazis did not cut peyos off children. The Commies did).

Ultra Orthodoxy would not survive without isolating children from external influences to deny them access to alternative viewpoints. It is most important that such isolation begin in childhood as children are particularly vulnerable to the bad effects of isolation.

The Ultra Orthodox method of isolating children from external influences without actually physically removing them includes dressing little boys in the penguin outfits, curling their side-locks, subjecting them to dietary taboos, making them spend all week reading the Talmud, and telling them that others are Tumah and evil. Isolation and refusal to consider alternative ideas become goals in themselves because they create an emotional and psychological impairment in that child so that he fears breaking away and becomes his own gaoler. It is an undeniable fact that most people who have been brought up as members of a extreme sect would, if they only knew what they are being denied, have preferred to remain outside it. Given that almost no one who was not brought up this way volunteers to adopt the faith later in life. In short Ultra Orthodoxy is not something that someone who has access to the free and open market of comparison and criticism of ideas would take on and for its very survival ultraorthodoxy needs to psychological impair its children (which will last to adulthood) so as to not want to have access to this market of ideas and making the child odd by growing peyos is one of its methods to bring about emotional impairment.

MosheCohen will argue that parents have a right to psychologically impair their own children (in the same manner as say, Elchanon Wasserman had the right to have his talmidim killed by the Nazis so as to prevent them ending up at Yeshiva University or the Briske Rav filling the cemeteries in Jerusalem with children) but I would argue otherwise. Children have a right not to have their minds crippled by exposure to other people’s bad ideas—no matter who these other people are. Parents, correspondingly, have no god-given licence to inculcate their children in whatever ways they personally choose: no right to limit the horizons of their children’s knowledge, to bring them up in an atmosphere of dogma and superstition, or to insist they follow the straight and narrow paths of their own faith any more than they have no right to knock their children’s teeth out or lock them in a dungeon. In short, children have a right not to have their minds addled by nonsense which we as a society have a duty to enforce.

We as a society have a duty to protect children from being psychologically impaired by religious fanatics including curtailing the advantage of a parent's temporary power over a child’s mind to impose this faith by abusing this power and acting wrongly by making the child grow peyos. In short it was right and proper of the Israelis to cut the peyos of Yemenite children when they had the chance to do so and it is a matter of regret that the US authorities did not do the same for Satmar children and neglect their duty to protect these children from their crazy parents (something that even the communists understood).

There is a particular irony in this book comparing Zionists to Nazis as its sole purpose (like growing peyos) is to psychologically and emotionally damage children. If a comparison needs be made with Nazism than I suggest that that comparing the undoubted abuse of naming a child Adolf Hitler and dressing him in swastikas be compared to dressing a child like Hareidim do.

Shmarya,

Why don't you make a post about how the Zionists bombard the heads of unsuspecting Yidden with high doses of radiation in the 50' and 60'. For what? A little bit of money from Washington for supplying test subjects!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair_%28Israel%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworm_affair#The_Ringworm_Affair

Who knows what crazy experiments Zionists are doing to our Yidden in Israel today?

Maybe testing new medicine for US companies?

I pasted a wrong link by mistake. The story about the movie "In Satmar Custody" is a state sponsored documentary, read this instead to understand what it's trying to do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair_%28Israel%29

Understand how the Zionists try to put the blame on their own unethical behavior on Satmar? The story of "In Satmar Custody" is a tragic one-case.

The Yemenite Children Affair involved hundreds of children!!!

Barry-Thnks for youre intelligent piece ,i as a child in a communist country until almost to the age of 13 was abused beyond words i lived near satmer romania in a town and we had a heider for about 35 kids but our rebbi demanded of parents to have their children a bald haircut and to have a payes not a very long one but like a sideburn in the public school in the 50 s we had to sit without a cap nothing on our heads after all it was a communist country i always felt freakish no hair and with my payes more then 50 years past i still feel very angry about how theese rebbis had this power over us to make a tottal fool non of the parents dared to confront the religious fanatics as i wrote many time here our shohet and moel even molested me in the mikva i am still mad at how grownups can be so gullible and brainwashed as to tottaly ignore the innocent child its evil.

Barry said:

Moshe Cohen does not explain why having children wear peyos is so important for Hareidim and why it is right for society to regard this as a form of child abuse... The Ultra Orthodox method of isolating children from external influences without actually physically removing them includes dressing little boys in the penguin outfits, curling their side-locks... We as a society have a duty to protect children from being psychologically impaired by religious fanatics including curtailing the advantage of a parent's temporary power over a child’s mind to impose this faith by abusing this power and acting wrongly by making the child grow peyos.

So if I have this right, the Nazis were right to cut off the Peyos of the orthodox jews who had been 'isolated from external influences.' It was for their own good!

What a distorted viewpoint.

Next thing you'll be telling me was that the Nazis were actually doing everyone a favour by killing off the 'religious fanatics'

Flatbusher,

Thanks for that analysis about Satmer and the unions brought about by the marriages.

No MosheCohen. The Nazis did not go about cutting children's peyos, they went about cutting children's throats.

MosheCohen, there is a middle ground between isolating children and killing their parents!

Killing children was a specialty of the Eda Hareidit in the Old Yishuv. The 80 per cent child mortality rate (worse than the Lodz ghetto before its liquidation) is proof of that.

The Satmars are right. The Zionists rule the world, along with the Freemasons, the Illuminati, the Bilderbergs, the Trilateral Commission and the Vatican. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go off and line my black hat with tinfoil.

Almost 6X Chai for Weberman..


Zucha Loy!

This thread opened my eyes. Thank you to all (on both sides) who have made me realize that there is more to the story on both sides.

I didn't know that the Hungarian rabbis told their followers that the holocaust would not arrive in Hungary, yet the zionists did tell everyone a holocaust was coming. I will research this topic.

I also didn't realize that what is said about Kastner and how he colloborated with the Nazis is true. I always thought that it was a satmar myth. I now see that nobody is really denying it, and that the Israeli court system actually dealt with this frightening reality. I will research this as well.

Can anyone confirm that the satmar rebbe really told his followers to stay in Europe?

"In short, children have a right not to have their minds addled by nonsense which we as a society have a duty to enforce."

This quote is ample proof that the threat from the secular left fanatics exists in bizarre balance to the radical right - both groups ever-rising from each defeat dealt to them by the rational center that represents the true majority of any people.

Jancsi, why must all conversations always come back to the subject of your childhood abuse?

I appreciate it is an emotive issue for you. But, it is not relevant here. A child being abused by an adult transcends ethnic groups, happens in all religions and in all countries, and is absolutely nothing to do with wearing Peyos.

The fact that you equate ('i was abused beyond words...our rebbi demanded of parents to have their children a bald haircut and to have a payes...i always felt freakish no hair and with my payes...as i wrote many time here our shohet and moel even molested me in the mikva') the embarrassment of having Peyos with being molested in the Mikveh suggests you have more serious issues than I imagined.

I agree in principle with protecting kids from fanatically parents, but who gets to say which ideologies are harmful? The state? That was the rationale behind state brainwashing in the old Soviet Union. So which ideology is bad: creationism? Evolution? Liberalism? Consevatism? It's a slippery slope. That said, there is no excuse for a child to not be fluent in the language of the country and not have basic numeracy and vocational skills. I think that's where one can draw the line, and our black hatted cousins fall short there.

This is all very sad and mirrors the tactics of the Palestinians ( and possibly other countries in the region) who also indoctrinate their children with such material.

One must also ask, that if it is shown in this material that what the Nazis did was mainly against the hairy-dim, why was god punishing them?

It can only be because they were doing something wrong?

Every word in this book is more then true all of it is well documented by historians who are not satmar.its all sad facts what tactics the Zionist did to get a state and what they did to make jews behave without morals.
At the same time it has never been documented that the satmar rebbe fled the nazis at the same time told his followers to stay.
Satmar defneders,dont get into name calling just challange then with facts or ignore.By name calling like the seculars do you are no better then them where every other word is profanity.

Posted by: Yankel | January 22, 2013 at 02:22 PM

Please.

Every word you wrote is false, every word you wrote is a lie.

You're a sick man.

i'm two thirds of the way through "kasztners train" and so far he has risked his life each and every day to save as many jews as he could by playing every angle available and double dealing with the SS and the hungarians when needed. on the train he arranged he and others took great pains to allow as wide a mix of jews as possible to be amongst the 1600 to be saved. he even included the POS satmar rebbe.
there were articles in the new york observer from that time which can be viewed by all that confirm that neither britain nor the USA would entertain ANY trading of trucks with the nazis. it was understood that part of the nazi goal with the offer was to split the allies. i'll know more of the story when i'm done, but thus far he's a hero and the satmar claims that he could have saved millions by trading for them is a complete 'satmarism', which is a euphemism for 'lie'.

ah-pee-chorus -Every part of the satmerers life is a lie their whole existance is based on lies what can we expect of them when they are so out of touch with reality we can expect only more lies, they cant process reality as we see here with yankel,he is so deep in the lala land then he actualy thinks that is reality he has no idea of other facts besides his own clans worldview,they dont learn history to see many parts and intricacies of actual dealings ,they learn things to suit their viewpoint yankel is incapable of grasping life besides his clans closed minded meshugas.

What disturbs me the most about this article is not the blatant lies Satmar is putting out nor is it the twisted tactics of Satmar to condemn all Zionists (as well as the man who saved their rabbi) but the fact that this book was written for children.

The fact that they are indoctrinating these children into this sick, isolationist, bigoted and narrowminded mindset pains me. This is all they'll ever know, that all the people in the world who are not Satmar are out to "get them."

In what is perhaps the worst slur in the book, in another picture a group of haredim with children are boarding a cattle car to a death camp as Nazi soldiers urge them on. Standing off to the side are three laughing secular Zionists who exclaim, “Only through blood will we get the Land"

Why do you call this a "slur"? Nathan Schwalb said exactly that in 1942, in a letter to the Jewish Rescue Committee of Bratislava, refusing to help them save the Jews of Slovakia.

"Rak b'dam tihyu lanu haaretz"

Look it up.

…"Rak b'dam tihyu lanu haaretz"

Look it up.

Posted by: Pagan | January 22, 2013 at 06:29 PM

Yes, I believe he said that in response to requests to pay the Nazis millions of dollars and give them heavy duty trucks – two impossibilities – and it can be understood as a consolation.

But even if it isn't, that's one relatively minor Zionist.

Based on Satmar's logic, you could indict all of Satmar for an offhand remark by someone like Yossi Gestetner or because of the actions of an individual like Nechemya Weberman.

Negative Shmarya! Nathan Schwalb wasn't 1 isolated Zionist! He was speaking on behalf of the World Jewish Congress in Basel Switzerland.

Q: If paying off the Nazi's by Rabbbi Michoel Ber Weissmandel to stop transportation to death camps of the Slovakian Jews worked well in 1942, why couldn't the World Jewish Congress agree to pay $1 per head to the Nazis to save 2 million Jews in 1942? A: Because there was 1 clause by Eichman: "The jews can leave Europe to anywhere in the world, expect to Palastine!" why? because Adolf Hitler has promised the Mufty of Palastine that he won't allow the Jews to migrate to Palastine. Thus, to the Zionist leaders in the free world the alternative was: Let them be transported to the Gas Chambers!

As Yitzchok Greenbaum has said, "1 cow in Palastine if worth to us more than the entire Eastern European Jewry".

Talking about the "singular Zionist that this Nathan Schwalb was". Get your facts straight.

I suggest anyone seeking to learn the facts of the Kastner Trial - and understand what a deviant individual this Mr. Shmuel Tamir was... (according to Shmarya) - read the book Tik Plili 124 by Shulem Rosenfeld. תיק פלילי 124 משפט גרינוואלד-קסטנר
שלום רוזנפלד 1955

Mr. Rosenfeld was a journalist for (I believe) Maariv daily. It contains the dry facts and protocols of the trial. You be the judge for yourself.

The book is extinct, but you can find some old copies. Just google "תיק פלילי 124"

Please.

Wissmandal was not successful. And there has been almost six full decades of research done since your 'source' was published – and some of that research done by people who had access to Slovakian archives and other East European archives.

You have to be an ignoramus to think that the propaganda published almost 60 years ago is factual.

As for Schwalb, he was speaking on behalf of one office of the WJC, whose money and most important members lived in the US and Canada and who had no idea what Schwalb was saying.

Past that, as I noted above, Schwalb's statement can be understood as one of consoling – that we can't do anything now to save you. There is nothing we can do. But from this blood will rise a State of refuge for the Jews.

But again, ideologues are very quick to read evil into words that may not have been.

Why wasn't Weissmandel successful? Has he not paid off Eichman's leutenant Dieter Wisliceny to stop the death transports in Slovakia, thus effectively saving 50 thousand Slovakian Jews from a certain death?

You may be correct that he was unsuccessful to save more Slovakian Jews from death by paying the Nazi's off earlier. it wasn't his fault, he simply couldn't secure the money fast enough. As Wisliceny had told Weissmandel (when the latter failed to come up with the money and the Nazi's restarted the transports after a halt of months, so that the money can be raised) something to the effect of (read Min Hamaytzer by Weissmandel for exact quote) "you Jews only understand business when the nook is around your neck" (meaning he had to restart the transports so that the money should be sent).

Ironically the money for this successful rescue came from the Orthodox Jews from Budapast Hungry.

Btw, the only known jews that Kastner had saved was the 1600 of his friends (with the exception of a few rabbi's and others for which Kastner was paid many times over, and still refused to allow them on, but that's for another discussion). The rest of the Transylvanian Jews were transported with the full assistance of Kastner. My uncle's have witnessed it. He had assured the Jews that they are being transported to a working labor camp that he personally had visited and verified it's truth. All this to save his life and those of his closest friends. What a coward. Also a full collaborator...

Not sure what 60 years of research you're referring to that will refute the above. But, I've heard first hand witness accounts from survivors, including one of my uncles. I believe them over history that has systemically been distorted for an ulterior motive. You can believe what you want, it just doesn't change the facts nor history.

As to the comic book to which this article was addressed, I do not agree with it. Its stupid and counterproductive.

Oh, please. Stop with your BS.

Wiessmandl was no successful – although he did everything in his power to save Jews.

Kasztner saved the 1600 plus Jews on his train along with about 20,000 later with Becher at the end of the war.

Hungarian Jews have a kind of sport where some of them relish in blaming others for the deaths, and they relish in blaming Kasztner.

Of course, when their claims are checked out, they don't hold up – just like your uncle's claims won't hold up.

So. When exactly did your uncle witness Kasztner doing that? You must have an approximate date. Produce it.

And you will quickly learn how little you know about what happened, and how so many things your uncle and others thought were true really were not.

Because, you see, despite Satmar's lies, despite the ramblings of people like you, there is truth – and that truth is not on your side.

Where can I get a copy?

That sounds like a collector's item.

Just sayan'.

Shmarya, why was Kastner assassinated? Innocent people don't get assassinated.

Shmarya, why was Kastner assassinated? Innocent people don't get assassinated.

Posted by: MosheCohen | January 25, 2013 at 05:17 AM

That is perhaps the most idiotic statement I've ever read.

Waa Martin Luther King guilty? How about Abraham Lincoln? William McKinley? John F. Kennedy? Robert Kennedy? Archduke Ferdinand? Gedaliah?

Did you learn how to think this way in your haredi yeshiva? Did the rebbe tell you something like this?

Past that, his assassin publicly apologized for killing Kasztner and says the whole thing was a political set up.

You should be embarrassed of yourself.

'Satmaritis" is a Disease ....

The Grand Rabbi of St. Mary/Satu Mare/Satmar Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum was saved by Zionists i.e. Israel Kastner who hand picked the Rebbe among
the 1,500 Jews saved from Hungary.

When Kastner was on trial in Israel for a defamation charge the Satmar Rebbe refused to testify on his behalf.Not only was the Rebbe saved by Zionists; he had VIP treatment all thewhile in Belzen Bergen; The Rebbe did not cut his beard; is it a miracle; righteousness; which involved heavy bribery of the Nazi officials big time; huge political pressue from the Zionist Judenrat; until he was whisked on the Magic Bullet Train to Switzerland.

The "Holy Rebbe" not only had NO "Hakoras Tov" gratitude to the Zionists that saved him; instead he went on a total rampage of an all out attack on the Jewish State; claiming it is a creation of TheSatan; denying the miracles of Israel's rebirth. The only miracle he recognizes is him being saved by the-Almighty who provided him a dreamof his mother saving him. The State of Israel; the largest Jewish community in the world; The largest supporter of Yeshivot & Kolelim worldwide; Over 300 Seforim monthly are being published in the"Satanic" State of Israel.


For the occasion of The Rebbe being saved in the Holocaust; the Satmars have their annual day of celebration 21 of Kislev with huge fanfare attended by Rabbis, Clergy & public officials among thousands of people sitting around dinner tables in a festive mood.
No one that survived the Holocaust let alone a Rabbi would celebrate in the open over the victims of 6 million Jews.
When Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakkai literally saved Torah in Eretz Yisrael by securing Yavneh & their Sages, did not proclaim a day of celebration on the backs of Jews that perished.

You need have "Chutzpah" to proclaim a day of celebration when you aresaved with Jewish money & Jewish Blood.
Instead of keeping a low profile like the other Rebbes that were saved, The Satmar Rebbe went on a total offensive.The best defense is offense. It totally baffles you & become speechless. How could it be? He is so Holy? If not for him there is no

Judaism in America?

Judaism in America? It reached a saturation point where the Haredi Jewry in America uses the Kashrus yardstick by buying all meat products from Satmar Hecshser as the ultimate in Glatt Kosher products. In reality Satmar tenticles are all over the Glatt Kosher scene. Satmar is the ultimate in Kashrus they must be ubiquituous & pristine. According to some Agudah officials Satmar is the mirror to which we always look back whether we have strayed.

The Haredi crowd all of a sudden prostrate themselves with a gushing adulation towards "Satmaritis" out of fear of terror & ignorance. "Zchor ymos olom binu shnos dor vador" ....(Devarim 32:7) Know yourhistory & learn from it.

"Yet another picture depicts a haredi Yemenite man who goes to a Zionist doctor with his baby. The doctor sells the baby to a secular Jew. "Doctor! My son has a fever," the haredi father says. The doctor answers, "If so, we need to immediately hospitalize him.”"
Is it not true that Yeminite babies were stolen and that the parents were told that their kids died? That is a historical fact, confirmed by DNA tests.

No, it is not true.

lol.. Shmarya Rosenberg is denying history. Yemenite Jewish babies were indeed stolen from their parents and given over to secular European Jews. That is a historical fact. DNA evidence confirms it. Rosenberg is denying it because he has an agenda to bash all "Orthodox" and Torah observant Jews. DNA evidence of Yemenite Jews who were raised in European homes has matched the DNA of his/her Yemenite parents, who were told that their kids died. That is an undeniable fact. If you want evidence go to:
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/02/world/the-babies-from-yemen-an-enduring-mystery.html
"Tzila Levine, the daughter of a Yemenite Jewish woman, had been put up for adoption as an infant without her mother's knowledge after they immigrated to Israel nearly 50 years ago. Last week Mrs. Levine traced and apparently found her biological parent, Margalit Umaysi. A DNA test confirmed their relationship with a certainty of 99.99 percent.

"Their emotional reunion attracted wide attention because it nourished a persistent conspiracy theory that is part of an ethnic fault line running through Israeli society.

"Those who believe the theory contend that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Yemenite babies who were reported to have died or to have disappeared after their parents came to Israel were actually kidnapped and given or sold for adoption to European-born Israelis and American Jews."
To see other source material, go to:
http://www.ha-keshet.org.il/english/missing_yemenite.htm
You can say that much of the Israeli establishment then looked the other way or was neglectful. In any case, the Israeli social workers, doctors, and nurses, who were responsible, should've been persecuted. I've been a strong Zionist for a couple of years. But this idea of treating Israel as an idol has gotten out of control for secular "Zionists." How could Israel say that they were the "homeland" of the Jews when they stole Yemenite Jewish babies because the Yemenite immigrants had different religious and cultural values? What a disgrace. And people like Shmarya are in denial.
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Btw, before dummies like Rosenberg lump me in with the worst of the worst among Ultra-Orthodox Jews, please let him know that I am harshly critical of corruption from Haredi rabbinical authorities, particularly the corruption of those in Israel. Thank you.

What you are is an idiot.

The issue has been studied extensively and – despite your Satmar-generated hate propaganda – there is no proof, genetic or otherwise, that there was any organized or mass stealing of Yemenite babies.

Put simply, you are a liar and an ass.

It's so sad for this pathetic Shmarya Rosenberg guy to resort to name calling because he knows that the facts are not on his side. Let's make something very clear. I'll try to speak idiot so then people like Shmarya can understand what I am saying. I am NOT [that's right NOT] affiliated any way with Satmar. In fact, I cited the NY Times, not Satmar.So I guess that NY Times article and all the the DNA tests are really part of a "Satmar-generated hate propaganda" according to Rosenboob. Wow. Who could've known? In fact, anyone who looks at what Is ay on the internet will see that I generally support Israel. A question I ask is why weren't the doctors, nurses, and social workers, who stole the Yemenite babies, not prosecuted [on a previous post, I said persecuted; but I meant prosecuted]? If I'm wrong, give a source instead of baseless insults. Why is it that Yemenite individuals, who wanted to see who their parents were, were discouraged from doing so? It seems that the Socialist secular Israeli establishment [or much of it] in those days wanted to steal the identity of Yemenite Jews and raise them with Socialist secular European values. Anyway, I also want to say that this blog is a pathetic hate rag. Rosenberg is a pathetic moron, period. And again, I am not a supporter of Satmar. I did not defend that Satmar children's books. I just brought up a claim that was in there and said that, in fact, Yemenite babies were stolen from their parents. It's amazing that Holocaust denial is a crime in many countries; but not the denial of the stealing of the Yemenite babies in order to steal their identity. It's truly a travesty.
Here's another article ["Satmar-generated hate propaganda" according to Rosenboob]:
http://articles.philly.com/1997-08-28/news/25566342_1_adoption-agency-baby-daughter-yemenite-jews
"When Umassi went to breast-feed her daughter at a transit camp nursery one evening, the child was gone. A nurse said she had no idea where the baby was.

"Last week, after nearly a half-century apart, mother and daughter were reunited here after DNA tests supported their blood relationship. Their remarkable saga gives new credence to one of Israel's most persistent and shocking conspiracy theories - that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Yemenite babies were kidnapped in the late 1940s and 1950s and sold for adoption to European Jews.

"For decades, Yemenite Jews have alleged that their babies were stolen by authorities when they first immigrated to Israel, and either sold to wealthy Jewish families or given to Ashkenazi, or European, Jews who had lost children in the Holocaust. The stories seemed too incredible to be true - until the reunion of Margalit Umassi and the missing baby, now a 48-year-old Sacramento resident named Tsila Levine.

"``You can't cheat DNA. I don't have a shadow of a doubt that this is my family,'' Levine testified yesterday before an Israeli investigative commission in Jerusalem."
And here's another portion where the Israeli Government tried to discourage the girl from searching about her past, which was stolen from her:
"``They said they have absolutely no information about my case, not even a document that confirms my existence,'' Levine testified yesterday. ``They said I'd better stop searching for my roots, and that I would only come face to face with a brick wall if I did so.''"
Btw, so in other words, none of the articles or sources I cited thus far came from Satmar. But I guess I cited the same case example as before. Let me cite another example:
http://petal.expertscolumn.com/article/true-story-5000-stolen-yemeni-jewish-babies
" Here is one of those stories "from the horse's mouth" as it were:
The lady I met is called Sarah, she married in Yemen when she was 12 and together with her husband immigrated to Israel. While in one of the immigration camps her first born son of 14 months was taken from the children's tent, and she was told that he had died during the night. They were shown no body, no grave and no documentation.

"Sarah went on to have 6 more children, and live in Tel Aviv. Many years later Sarah, now 60, took a bus from her neighborhood into the center of Tel Aviv. As she boarded the bus her heart stopped and she thought she had seen a ghost. She was absolutely positive that the bus driver was her long lost son.

"Sarah told the driver that there was an emergency and that he had to come with her to the police station. After much discussion and without giving an explanation Sarah persuaded the driver to leave his bus there and then and accompany her to the police station.

"The bus driver arrived at the police station with Sarah, still unsure of her intentions. She asked him to wait a minute while she took a policeman aside and told him that she was sure that this man was her son, and that she could prove it. The son she lost had a distinct birthmark on his thigh.
The officer took the bus driver into an interrogation room and began to question him. What is your name? Where did you grow up? Who are your parents? How old are you? What is your date of birth? Where you adopted? The bus driver answered that his parents had passed away a long time ago and that he was not adopted.

"The officer managed to avoid explaining to the driver why he was being questioned, until the officer asked if the driver had any birthmarks. At this point the driver insisted on knowing what he was being questioned for, and the police officer told him that this lady thought he could be her son. It turned out that the driver did have the very same birthmark described by Sarah, and after further biological tests was proved to be her son."
None of the sources are Satmar. Btw, I have harshly criticized NK's anti-Israel positions before. So please let Rosenboob know that I am NOT affiliated to Satmar. Nor were any of the sources I cited Satmar sources. But I guess all those DNA tests and all those cases of Yemenite children and parents finding each other are really "Satmar-generated hate propaganda" in the "brilliant" mind of Shmarya Rosenboob.

You are a sick, ill, lying piece of crap.

Again, there is NO credible evidence, DNA or otherwise, to support the idea that large numbers of Yemenite kids were kidnapped by the government and given to secular families to raise. NONE.

You cited two anecdotal reports, one pre-DNA, and both long since shown conclusively not to be representative (or accurate, for that matter).

You are a sick, ill, diseased little man.

"You are a sick, ill, lying piece of crap."
Wow, back to the pathetic name calling because the "brilliant" Shmarya Rosenbbob has nothing.
"Again, there is NO credible evidence, DNA or otherwise, to support the idea that large numbers of Yemenite kids were kidnapped by the government and given to secular families to raise. NONE."
Except DNA tests, moron. At least, the Government then was being too neglectful, as it was happening.
"You cited two anecdotal reports, one pre-DNA, and both long since shown conclusively not to be representative (or accurate, for that matter)."
You say that those reports are not accurate. I say that they are accurate. Do you have any proof that discredits those stories or shows those people to be liars? Unless I see credible evidence, you will not convince me, especially with your sick name calling. You're name calling is a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black. And there were DNA tests involved with those cases [and thousands of others]. Let's take a look:
http://articles.philly.com/1997-08-28/news/25566342_1_adoption-agency-baby-daughter-yemenite-jews
"Last week, after nearly a half-century apart, mother and daughter were reunited here after DNA tests supported their blood relationship. Their remarkable saga gives new credence to one of Israel's most persistent and shocking conspiracy theories - that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Yemenite babies were kidnapped in the late 1940s and 1950s and sold for adoption to European Jews."
Let's take another look at the other case example I cited:
http://petal.expertscolumn.com/article/true-story-5000-stolen-yemeni-jewish-babies
"It turned out that the driver did have the very same birthmark described by Sarah, and after further biological tests was proved to be her son."
So there you go. Other biological tests proved that he was her son. To dismiss this all as "Satmar-generated hate propaganda" is ridiculous. Go ahead and call me all the vicious names you want. But you won't prove anything.
"You are a sick, ill, diseased little man."
You said that already, Rosenboob. Come up with something new and original.


Moron.

One is from 1997.

The other is from an completely unreputable source.

Both are only anecdotal.

All scholarly work on the issue has found **no** systematic kidnappings took place.

Now slink back into your sewer.

Does anyone notice how Shmarya Rosenboob is saying the same thing over and over because he has no facts. Because that's what he is: a boob with an agenda.

So what if one if from 1997? It doesn't make it any less accurate because it was reported sixteen years ago. The other one is based on what the author of the article heard. In other words, it was based on a first hand account. Again, I asked for proof, which you failed to give. The date of one of the articles in no way relates to its accuracy. One has nothing to do with the other. For the kidnappings of Yemenite babies happened in the 1940s and 1950s. Now give me real evidence, instead of using the date as it it's "proof" that it's unreliable. Because again, dates of articles have no bearing to their accuracy, especially when it comes to a story that happened decades ago.

You're not smart, you're not honest and you're clearly not well.

There has been extensive research into the claims of mass kidnappings. Those claims were found to be false. There is no evidence to support them at all.

Now toddle off.

Shmaryan Rosenberg, you just say the same thing over and over and resort to name calling [pretty much the same stupid name calling]. You claim that there has been research to show that no Yemenite baby was kidnapped and call me names. I haven't even blamed the whole Israeli Government for those kidnappings. I said that, at best, they were too neglectful for not prosecuting those responsible. Clearly, there's no point to arguing with a parrot. Good luck with your rag pseudo-blog.

Please.

There have 3 separate government investigations, two done under right wing governments.

All conclusively found no conspiracy, no mass kidnappings, etc.

Newspapers and TV news magazines and academics have all done investigative reports and, again, no conspiracy was found, no mass adoptions were found.

There simply is no credible evidence to support the LIES you tell.

Nothing could give me greater pleasure than to see me proved wrong on this issue. I still love Israel deeply and strongly support it in the Arab-Israeli conflict. I'll say that. I know that Shmarya Rosenberg will be all over what I am about to say. But I'll say it in the interest of objectivity. For one of the cases mentioned, it has been disputed that Magilit Omassi was indeed the mother of Tzila Levine. According to DNA tests from the Israeli health ministry, they're not related. And the Hebrew Universities Genetics Department also said that the DNA test saying that they're mother and daughter was not correct. Link is right below:
http://www.jweekly.com/includes/print/7212/article/hebrew-u-admits-yemenite-testing-goof/
However, I just find it troubling that many Yemenite Jews do remember seeing their babies healthy and then were told that they died. However, another article does say that says that when she was in a transit camp; while Israel was absorbing the Jews from Arab and Muslim countries, that clinic staff told her that her infant died. Maybe she got the wrong child. The alleged mother and daughter refuse to accept the DNA tests that say that they're not related. But since I brought up this case and I found this after further research, I'm just saying this for the interests of objectivity.

I like to apologize for the rhetoric I used and the way I came across. Comments such as "It's amazing that Holocaust denial is a crime in many countries; but not the denial of the stealing of the Yemenite babies in order to steal their identity. It's truly a travesty" are over the top; for whatever happened to the Yemenite Jews is, to say the least, peanuts compared to what happened in the Holocaust. Also, I was misguided. There was no evidence of an mass Israeli attempt to steal Yemenite babies [I did say that at best, the Israeli Government was neglectful' but still]. Also, I'm sure that yes, there may have been some incompetence; as Israel was then a young state and they were struggling to take in the Jews from the Arab and Muslim countries [in contrast to the Arab world where the refugees were left to rot in dirty refugee camps so then Israel can look bad; even though the wars they started caused the problem]. As for the few cases where they did find babies with other families [or cases where they couldn't find the fate of the other babies], it's possible that individual nurses, social workers, and/or doctors handed them to other families and/or there was a lot of incompetence. But there was no Israeli policy to steal Yemenite babies. I fell for the very type of allegations [accusations against Israel] that I warned others not to fall for. For this, the tone used, and for falling for these same type of traps, I hereby make this comment an official apology.

Btw, that Satmar children's book is full of hate, just like anything else from the anti-Israel propaganda machine.

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