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January 10, 2013

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Not Surprised

TO: "Office of the Chief Rabbi"

Where did Cuomo mention anything about this. I just reviewed the transcript and didn't see anything. I'm glad about the ruling. I know what I think doesn't matter) I don't know why so many people are upset about it - everytime you have the slightest medical thing done, you have to sign 25 different forms. Anyone who wants to have this done is free to sign and do it. When our son had a bris over 20 years ago, I didn't even know about MBP. I wish I had. Now more people will be able to make a choice. Whats the big deal?

Shmarya

What happens if the parents are offered the informed consent form and don't sign it? Is the bris canceled?

Posted by: David | January 11, 2013 at 03:46 PM

It should be.

But what will happen is that haredim will play these games until a baby gets sick and the parents won't say who the mohel was, or the mohel can't produce the signed informed consent document.

And then the city will have to decide whether to arrest them or not.

David

What happens if the parents are offered the informed consent form and don't sign it? Is the bris canceled?

Wigmore

The first lawyer listed is a litigation partner at the BigLaw firm of Jones Day which means his billing rate is at least $1,000 an hour.

Where is this money coming from?

JessicaR

While I don't want to comment on Metzitzah B-Pei itself, I do want to point out that a child who contracts Herpes Simplex 2 in early infancy may have a higher risk of developing schizophrenia in adult life--at least mothers with antibodies to this virus have children who develop this devastating condition at a higher rate. Something to think about.

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Aguda teleconference today at 12:30 pm EST chaired by georgio whineburger and some attorney.

Garnel Ironheart

Again, I'm not sure why the Chareidim care so much. Present the consent form to the parents and tell them that if they don't sign it without asking any questions or even reading it then the infant will be denied entry into any local yeshivos and won't find a shidduch when he's older.

jancsibacsi

Theese rebbes and their followers are so confused they dont know anymore whats good for them,someone should talk sense into them if thats possible,it looks that the onlt way they will learn anything is by being beaten up and punished each time they act stupidly pain is the only thing they understand and they need to be bought to their senses the sooner the better.

seymour

it seems that then judge has more sense then all the robonum put together

I guess that is not saying much

Adam Neira

U.S. District Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald has made the right decision here.

Abracadabra

So now all suckers have to get signatures.

Why do I see more fraud and problems in the coming months and years with regard to this new law pertaining to people who do not have much regard for the law of the land? Must be those nasty prophecies again. God, I wish those prophecies would stop!

The Satmar Rebbes and other Hasidic Rebbes (including the Lubavitcher Rebbe Shlita) and the Agudah "Gedolim" are going to trip over themselves competing in who can make the most ludicrous pronouncements instructing their zombies, I mean sheep, I mean flocks, about how disregarding this new law is in fact a mitzvah. Then there will be cries of "Anti-Semitism" coming from people whose grandparents and great-grandparents knew what REAL Anti-Semitism was, and would turn over in their graves if they knew what their ofspring were saying, doing, and complaining about.

Today's prophecy brought to you by Abracadabra.

Chief Hole-in-the-Sheet

In last week's parasha Tzipora took a fint-stone and did a brit on her son (Moshe had been negligent in this). Question: Did she do MBP? Does anyone know from traditional sources?

Eli, what me messiah?

dh, good point. Would have been,
"Federal judge allows....without any warning to or consent from parents"
Man, the bar is set pretty low, isn't it?

A. Nuran

A decent start.
The only sane way this will end is completely banning the disgusting, filthy practice

dh

"Federal judge allows direct oral suction on infants, despite documented health risk". Eli @ 8:48

That's what she's doing, isn't it? Only the issue of informed consent was before her, I thought, not the activity of the penis sucking ritual - the britual.

Atheodox Jew

an unwarranted government intrusion on religious freedom

Actually, it occurs to me that NY mohels should be thankful they don't have to be "licensed" by the state, since after all they're performing a medical procedure.

Eli, what me messiah?

Judge Buchwald has a reputation as a sensible judge, so a different outcome was hard to imagine.
Can anyone imagine the headlines if she had ruled differently? "Federal judge allows direct oral suction on infants, despite documented health risk".
Still, this is good to see.

Joe Field

Yip yip hooray

Office of the Chief Rabbi

I was so glad the Governor Cuomo came out against MBP in his State of the State Address yesterday.

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