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January 28, 2013

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Shmarya

osted by: Ron LEwenberg | February 04, 2013 at 07:43 PM


The only person who fell for a lie here, Ron, is you.

Ron LEwenberg

. The Left is smearing Israel and undermining the rights of Ethiopian women. And you fell for the lie.
The reality is that Israeli doctors provided birth control (not my favored method) to married adult women without the knowledge or approval of their husbands.
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2013/01/did-israelis-force-contraception-on.html
Israeli Outlets Foment Demonization With Sloppy Journalism
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=55&x_article=2395

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Does sexually active includes wanking ?

Mother's Little Helper

"the practice effectively sterilizes women for that period of time"

This is what contraceptives are supposed to do. How many people here are sexually active?

anchell

israel is suffering post traumatic stress syndrome and will need a great deal of compassion, understanding and a blind eye to it's misgivings and other atrocious behavior. . .Healing won't be anytime soon. . .

Michelle Stein-Evers Frankl

Israel is many things; perfect is not one of them. I don't believe the sterilizations were mandated to prevent babies in the Absorption Centers, I believe I might have been done to reduce a 'social' problem of black, non-rabbinic Jews in the midst of Zionist heaven.
Without learning these folks, some smart cookie in the Sachnut decided this would be a great idea.
In the early 1990s ( as reported by the Jerusalem Report, can't recall the date or the MInisters name) the then current AbsoprtionMinister remarked that all these so called black Jewsmweremspoiling the social cohesiveness of Israel, much as the Mizrachim (read North African and Arab jews) had done when they arrived. He felt that policy neede two tiers; first to stop completely their arrivals and Seco duly, to reduce the number of black Jews there already. In his ignorance, he lumped together the Dimona people who had come from Chicago and were a self-declared cult -like group and themEthiopians.
With that sort of malintent coupled with ignorance, anything could happen.

Why is no one secretly implanting Depo into Haredim women? Can not the same rule of stealth be used against them? They have a way higher birthrate and will be soon the catalyst for larger social problems. Because the rulings of the rabbanut frighten the Sachnut? I think not.

Yochanan Lavie

Before we blame the entire Zionist enterprise for this thoroughly disgusting incident, we need to know who authorized it, who knew about it and when, and how far up did it go. Even then, I would be loathe to delegitimize the entire country based on one incident, awful as it was.

Anon

"But for the first time, an Israeli government official has admitted what thousands of Ethiopian Jewish women have allegedly known for years – doctors in Israel have been injecting Ethiopian women with long-acting birth control medication known as Depo-Provera without the informed consent of the women."

What a shameful thing to write. No one has admitted to giving Depo-Proversa without informed consent. This is a conspiracy theory without any basis in reality. It's sad that some people will believe anything written about Israel.

Anon

Because contraceptives may introduce social discord, leading at times to intimate partners’ violence amongst African couples, women of low bargaining powers often resort to family planning methods that are suitable to covert use.30-31 Women can take injections of depo-provera while visiting a health facility and remain protected against unwanted pregnancies for three months. This may be done without their husband’s knowledge and without the bother of having to remember to take the pill or to undergo clinical procedures that are involved when opting for implants or intrauterine devices. Consequently, a general pattern that has been observed in the contraceptive method mix in sub-Saharan Africa and elsewhere in the developing world is the predominance of injectables.32-34 The Ethiopian DHS data analysed here indicate clearly that the ratio of pill users to injectable users is 1:1.2 nationally, while the corresponding ratio is 1:2 for CBRHS areas, according to the CPS results (Figure 1).

https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/4989/1/rh05036.pdf

Yosef ben Matitya

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/report-criticizes-handling-of-ringworm-treatment-casualties-1.69892
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No_Light

Atheodox Jew - They have camps to detain ethnic and racial minority group members, there's the ghettos on the Gaza Strip, they're conducting eugenics programmes, they decide who can and can't get married, and talk about being a race of higher, chosen people, with specific rules about racial hygiene. Hell, even sephardim are subject to this prejudice and bigotry.

If this was written as satire it would be deemed to be the work of a fantasist. "Jewish Nazis?" they'd say, "Oh no, they'd never repeat behaviour like that".


Only it's true. It's like a sick, twisted parody of 1930s Germany.

jewjitsu

@sml, What high ground did they occupy? I only knew they occupied someonelse's land.

Jeff

Posted by: Yurtur Binsonfire | January 28, 2013 at 05:30 PM

POS troll.

Maskil

As to the question from whom were they first informed about the injection, one woman answered: "The Jewish Agency in Ethiopia ... I don't know, they came to me to my home and recommended it to me." And another woman responded: "Here, in Israel, at the absorbtion center it was said that there is no money to raise children." In addition to this, most of the interviewed women reported that the knowledge of the injection first reached them via the Joint, the Jewish Agency and/or through the Absorbtion Ministry offices, and that this info was received already in Ethiopia (in the center in Gondar), or during their first days in Israel.

Abu Jihad Schneerson

Thanks,SML!

S M L

Google Translate gives this which is garbled but somewhat usable:

"Question "who have learned first shot"? One woman said that "the Jewish Agency in Ethiopia ... I did not know came to my house and advised me" and another woman: "Here in the center of the absorption states that there is no money to raise children." In addition, most of the interviewees reported that information on throwing it to them first by the Joint Distribution Committee, the Jewish Agency and / or through the reception office. And other information received in Ethiopia (Gondar center) or their first few days in Israel."

Abu Jihad Schneerson

Maskil,mind translating in English?

Maskil

The Jewish Agency, the JDC (Joint Distribution Committee) and the Absorbtion Ministry.

Why am I not surprized at all?

Remember this when they come a-knocking.

Maskil

לשאלה "ממי נודע להן לראשונה על הזריקה"? ענתה אישה אחת כך: "הסוכנות היהודית באתיופיה...לא ידעתי באו אלי הביתה והמליצו לי" ואישה אחרת: "פה בארץ במרכז הקליטה נאמר כי אין כסף לגדל ילדים". בנוסף לכך רובן של המרואיינות דיווחו כי המידע על הזריקה הגיע אליהן לראשונה על ידי ארגון הג'וינט, הסוכנות היהודית ו/או דרך משרדי הקליטה. ומידע זה התקבל עוד באתיופיה (במרכז שבגונדר) או בימים הראשונים שלהן בישראל.

Abu Jihad Schneerson

It just CANNOT be true!I refuse to believe Israel in 2013 is like Germany in the 30s!

Yurtur Binsonfire

Scotty boy, step in front of the next moving bus you see, and do the world a favor, you disgusting tub of lard.

Rueven Aharon

This is an aveirah, and it reminds knowledgeable Americans of the Tuskegee experiments.

The XNail

I'm disappointed, but not shocked. Ethiopian Jews are treated far worse in Jerusalem than white Evangelical Christians.

The "Jewish" state is quickly becoming indistinguishable from typical, racist countries in Eastern Europe.

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And it still bothers them and get offended when they are called an Apartheid state. Fucking hypocrites.

S M L

Is this service routinely offered to other Israeli women too? Planned Parenthood offers it in the US; it's not necessarily a bad thing.

It's fine when it's done with the informed consent of the woman and not when it's imposed by those who figure they know better.

I could do without the Nazi comparisons!

No doubt you could but when they're valid they're valid. What's sickening to realize is that the Nazi eugenics movement was American-inspired. Read this from Wikipedia and weep:


"After the eugenics movement was well established in the United States, it was spread to Germany. California eugenicists began producing literature promoting eugenics and sterilization and sending it overseas to German scientists and medical professionals. By 1933, California had subjected more people to forceful sterilization than all other U.S. states combined. The forced sterilization program engineered by the Nazis was partly inspired by California's.

The Rockefeller Foundation helped develop and fund various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.

Upon returning from Germany in 1934, where more than 5,000 people per month were being forcibly sterilized, the California eugenics leader C. M. Goethe bragged to a colleague:

"You will be interested to know that your work has played a powerful part in shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler in this epoch-making program. Everywhere I sensed that their opinions have been tremendously stimulated by American thought . . . I want you, my dear friend, to carry this thought with you for the rest of your life, that you have really jolted into action a great government of 60 million people."

Eugenics researcher Harry H. Laughlin often bragged that his Model Eugenic Sterilization laws had been implemented in the 1935 Nuremberg racial hygiene laws. In 1936, Laughlin was invited to an award ceremony at Heidelberg University in Germany (scheduled on the anniversary of Hitler's 1934 purge of Jews from the Heidelberg faculty), to receive an honorary doctorate for his work on the "science of racial cleansing". Due to financial limitations, Laughlin was unable to attend the ceremony and had to pick it up from the Rockefeller Institute. Afterwards, he proudly shared the award with his colleagues, remarking that he felt that it symbolized the "common understanding of German and American scientists of the nature of eugenics."

Garnel Ironheart

This is totally shameful. And then you wonder why other ethnic groups don't trust doctors even when they're making the right call?

jancsibacsi

ruthie- I heard an interesting story of a couple of hassidishe newliweds who live in monsey before i write about it am i correct doyou live there? my hassidishe neighbor came to me last night and told about this couple from a renowend rebbishe family.

John Nagle, Silicon Valley, CA

Is this service routinely offered to other Israeli women too? Planned Parenthood offers it in the US; it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Atheodox Jew

This is really, really bad, no matter how you slice it. It's hard to believe it could go on for so long without someone blowing the whistle.

That said, I could do without the Nazi comparisons!

Yosef ben Matitya

what a horror, jewish mengale's.
anybody aware how dr Shiba -after whom tel hashomer is named- conducted radiations on the heads of moroccan new immigrants!

S M L

There are echos of the Third Reich in this and of a certain unenlightened period in the US (ie: until the 1950s) when "undesirables" were sterilized. Au revoir to the moral high ground Israel once occupied.

YTHM

This practice (may) end, but the medicine has very long term effects.


Anyway, I seriously hope someone goes to prison for this.

Posted by: Maskil | January 28, 2013 at 02:31 PM


You are very naive of the game zionists are playing with Yidden. No one is going to prison. Not a single soul was held accountable for the so called "Ringworm Affair" either. Not a single soul was arrested for the "Yemenite Children Affair".
Who knows what kind of horrors are being done today without anyone (yet) knowing about it.
These things are not done with the chilonim (the ideal Yid in the eyes of zionists).

Sarek

Who knew that Israel had a "peculiar institution"?

Harvey

This is the saddest piece of information that has come out of Israel for a very long time. When a healing art can be corrupted for political purposes, in Israel of all places, we are in the deepest, deepest trouble! It suggests that although Jews may be a special people, they are subject to the most base traits of human behavior. SHAME!

Maskil

danny, you do realize that the Ethiopian Jews are vastly right-wingers and vote right-wing consistantly, they don't like goyim and really can't stand Christians (even if they're halachically Jewish), and although they didn't have rabbinic Judaism in Ethiopia if they had they would have all been rabid religious zionists, and they vote more ideologically consistant than the Haredim do (rather than sector favorability). Personally, in Israel, I have the same right-wing political views as the overwhelming majority of Ethiopians ("right" and "left" differ greatly from country to country), but I get the sense that you'd prefer Haredim, who can be bought off.

"Injectable contraceptives are the most desired throughout the country. They are easy, culturally preferred..." - A complete and utter lie that they have been perpetuating to defend the use, as if it was selected because "culturally" they could identify with it. It's almost non-existant in Ethiopia.

Anyway, I seriously hope someone goes to prison for this.

ruthie

sometimes Israel REALLY disappoints me

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