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January 09, 2013

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DK

Nothing will get better until they are off the American taxpayers dole. America should not be supporting Kollel in Israel anymore than New Yorkers should be paying black hatters to go to rabbi school.

Let them pay for their own sloth, and they will find they have better things to do than teach their children to throw stones at women.

Yochanan Lavie

No true Scotsman wears Jockey shorts under his kilt.

danny

The teenagers acted they way they did despite the education they received, not because of it."

How absurd. Everyone knows that all haredi boys yeshivas teach their children to stone women.

different dave

really Danny my children are in an orthodox yeshiva and they don't stone women you peasant

Seraphya

"But they will, almost to a person, stay publicly silent about those haredim who do these things and who are violent." - I would go a step further. As you pointed out they don't just stay silent they make excuses for them, and deflect criticism

Mike

Great article, Shmarya. The "no true scotsman" fallacy is truly applicable to this situation. I find it kind of amusing that he said they couldn't be classified as Haredim not so much because of what they did, but because of their knowledge of what a lesbian is. Maybe I'm overanalyzing it, but let's face it, the silence of people like Sitton and the Haredi rabbis are just the same as acceptance, and I highly doubt they give a rat's ass that someone got hurt.

Jeff

Nothing will get better until they are off the American taxpayers dole. America should not be supporting Kollel in Israel anymore than New Yorkers should be paying black hatters to go to rabbi school.

Couldn't agree more. Israel should be told that all foreign aid will stop unless they begin the process of disenfranchising the Haredim. Unfortunately, it will never happen. The excuse will be that we don't have the right to dictate another country's internal policies (as though that's ever stopped us before).

honest Avi

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"How absurd. Everyone knows that all haredi boys yeshivas teach their children to stone women."

Posted by: danny
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"really Danny my children are in an orthodox yeshiva and they don't stone women you peasant"

Posted by: different dave
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Dave,

No true yeshiva would teach their boys NOT to stone women. I had it in Stoning 101 - in my freshman year. I remember it well.

Shmarya

Great article, Shmarya. The "no true scotsman" fallacy is truly applicable to this situation. I find it kind of amusing that he said they couldn't be classified as Haredim not so much because of what they did, but because of their knowledge of what a lesbian is. Maybe I'm overanalyzing it, but let's face it, the silence of people like Sitton and the Haredi rabbis are just the same as acceptance, and I highly doubt they give a rat's ass that someone got hurt.

Posted by: Mike | January 10, 2013 at 12:26 AM

That's true.

Halakha has a term for it: shtika k'hoda'ah, silence is equivalent to agreement.

And there's no group more silent about attacks like this than haredi rabbis.

Jeff

The comments so far as unilaterally derogatory, but the saddest one, in my opinion is this:

I made Aliyah in 1997 and left in 2004. There is a terrible lack of love and concern in Israel. If one does not belong to any particular community one is as good as dead in Israel. I now prefer to remain in Canada. Israel is a lost cause for me.

Addict

At least he had the decency to condemn what they did.

Shragi

"In my building.....and a man with various inclinations..." I sure wish he'd elaborate on at least one of the inclinations.

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