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January 03, 2013

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haredi = leeches

shin

I'm pretty confident that a civil war between the people who know how to fight wars and the people who refuse to learn would be short, but funny.

Allan

There doesn't have to be a civil war. Simply cut off all benefits - health, welfare, education, etc. from anybody who refuses to enlist, be he secular or religious.

Posted by: Garnel Ironheart | January 03, 2013 at 03:08 PM

If he is married, how does one separate the payment to the wife and children to the portion that is his. You cannot penalize the children because the father doesn't want to serve.

Darth Zeidah

Darth Zeidah-what is life improsinment mean here, being non religious what do you mean?

Posted by: jancsibacsi | January 03, 2013 at 01:15 PM

Do you know me? Have you ever met me? Do you even know on which continent I live? Most importantly,how on earth did you manage to come to the conclusion that I am "non religious"?

As for your question about "what is life improsinment mean here" (whatever that extraordinarily peculiar statement might mean) do you not think that your remarks might have been more profitably addressed to alter kocker, who raised the matter in the first place?

Garnel Ironheart

There doesn't have to be a civil war. Simply cut off all benefits - health, welfare, education, etc. from anybody who refuses to enlist, be he secular or religious.

jancsibacsi

Darth Zeidah-what is life improsinment mean here,being non religious what do you mean?

David

As I have said many times, the Charedim are not suitable to be drafted into the military. They are too poorly educated, too unfit physically and mentally and have no initiative and motivation or ability to think independently as they are used to asking their Rebbe even the most mundane of questions before acting. (Think of what would happen if they got separated from their commander.)

Plus it is too difficult to accommodate Charedim (e.g. no medical checks, single gender units, food that goes beyond Halachic requirements for kashrut, excessive amounts of the work day spent "learning" and "davening" and being a general administrative burden).

They MUST however be DRAFTED into genuine useful jobs which are harder, more unpleasant and of much longer duration than military service would be. They could be given discounts in the service duration if they agreed to take vocational educational courses.

Darth Zeidah

I have a better idea. The Haredi leaders that counsel this nonsense are TRAITORS. That crime is punishable by life in front of the firing squad.

It would serve Israel to let that fact be known.

Posted by: Alter Kocker | January 03, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Well, AK, you have a choice: life imprisonment - or death by firing squad. Which would you prefer?

Rocky

You don't need to be in shape or have a lot of weapons to create a lot of mischief. Look what the locals have done in central Detroit.

http://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+detroit+slums&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=wNLlUN_oNIGuigKqlYG4Bw&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=614

Even a 98 pound weakling in a black hat can start as fire.

Yochanan Lavie

There is nothing "civil" about the way chareidim behave.

seymour

anyway if Torah protect the whole country from missile attacks what are they worried about

Chaim Z

The good news is that only one side will have any military competence. Also, all the fighters on the Haredi side might have hernias and colon cancer, but they will never find out because it's not tznius to check.

rebitzman

A civil war with people who are out of shape and can't fight won't last long.

You overlook the fact that they have beards - like Lincoln...........

gopjew

A civil war with people who are out of shape and can't fight won't last long.

James Lakes

It is actually quite simple.

The IDF does not need to send squads to round up draftee's. If they do not answer their draft notice their funding from the State gets cut off. No subsidies, no tuition money.

ah-pee-chorus

Chareidim won't go to the army but their capable of fighting a civil war?

Posted by: Chazal Qaeda

god will fight the war for them. as a backup theyre amassing a large cache of soiled diapers.

Chazal Qaeda

Chareidim won't go to the army but their capable of fighting a civil war?

Rocky

If you own long term Israeli bonds, don't be surprised if the government defaults on them before they mature. Do you think the Haredi care about such matters?

Planning to make aliyah? Make sure your US (or other foreign) passport is up to date. You never know when you have to make a quick exit. Rent, don't buy. Real estate resale values aren't very good in a civil war zone.

Alter Kocker

I have a better idea. The Haredi leaders that counsel this nonsense are TRAITORS. That crime is punishable by life in front of the firing squad.

It would serve Israel to let that fact be known.

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