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January 02, 2013

Caught Breaking The Law, Haredim Whine Again

Haredi kids eyes covered croppedIsrael has a law that requires schools that receive money from the state to teach the state's core curriculum – math, science, civics, English and other subjects needed to gt a decent job and earn a living in today's world. Haredi schools often get money from the state, but many – especially the boy's yeshivas – do not actually teach the core curriculum despite the law requiring them to do so. A new report exposes that duplicity – and the harm that it does to those haredi kids and to Israeli society as a whole. And the haredi response to this is to? Whine…

Haredi kids eyes covered cropped

…as Yeshiva World's Israel reporter so ineloquently demonstrates:

The issue of the talmidei torah, the chareidi school system, is back in the media; under attack as a result of statistics released by the Ministry of Education. Ministry officials report that over the past decade the number of students attending chareidi mosdos elementary schools has skyrocketed. These schools enjoy state funding, but the children emerge “ignorant”, the daily Maariv reports, referring to “core subjects”.

When the ministry refers to “core subjects” it directs its criticism to the fact these schools devote most of the learning hours to limudei kodesh, and the secular studies are not regarded as a priority. As a result, ministry officials feel the students are far below average for their age groups in subjects including math, English and basic science, which state officials feel is critical if one expects to compete is the workplace as an adult.

The ministry report cites that in recent years these chareidi schools, classified as ‘recognized’, have been established in many non-chareidi areas including Haifa, Zichron Yaakov, Maale Adumim, and Hadera. As a result, the number of children attending such schools has increased 40% during the past decade and state education officials are concerned, for they feel too many children are being raised without a basic education, which will result in increased unemployment in the coming years for the graduates of chareidi mosdos will not be capable of finding employment. The state estimates that in addition to the students in these mosdos, there are tens of thousands of students in chareidi schools not receiving state funding, compounding concerns of a growing population of illiterate people who will have to be supported by welfare as adults.

The report cites that as a result of successful efforts of chareidi MKs over the years, the schools enjoy 75-100% of the budget given to state public schools which compel students to comply with the state curriculum. Maariv adds that during the past decade, not only has the state agreed to fund a growing number of these chareidi elementary schools, the state paid to build the schools despite the fact the system does not recognize Ministry of Education supervisors or the state curriculum.

Maariv cites a number of schools in which students are not taught any secular subjects, such as the Knesset Yitzchak School in Hadera, established in 2001; and Talmid Torah Zichron Yaakov, established in 2004. In Beit Shemesh for example, the number of students in such mosdos jumped from 770 to 4,427 – adding that today, about one-quarter of the city’s elementary students learn in ‘recognized’ chareidi mosdos.

Of course the report focuses on painting chareidim in a bad light, as “parasites” who take from the state without contributing to society, adding that in Afula, in the Derech Emmes School, there are 101 students with an average class size of 18.5 children. In Haifa’s Zichron Meir School, established in 2002, the average class size is 14. The report does not address the hundreds of mosdos that live with the reality of severe overcrowding and even major safety issues, compelled to remain in caravan classrooms that are frigid in winter and sweltering during the summer months.

Following is the ministry’s data as to the number of children in ‘recognized’ mosdos in some cities around Israel:

Afula: 2001 (0) 2012 (101)

Beit El: 2001 (0) 2012 (201)

Elad: 2001 (0) 2012 (2,049)

Emek Lod Regional Council: 2001 (0) 2012 (400)

Hadera: 2001 (0) 2012 (223)

Haifa: 2001 (0) 2012 (109)

Kadima-Tzoran: 2001 (0) 2012 (102)

Maale Adumim: 2001 (0) 2012 (118)

Shomron Regional Council: 2001 (0) 2012 (102)

Zichron Yaakov: 2001 (0) 2012 (165)

Betar Illit: 2001 (0) 2012 (3,276)

Modi’in Illit: 2001 (0) 2012 (4,709)

Emanuel: 2001 (0) 2012 (70)

Kiryat Yearim (Telshe Stone) 2001 (0) 2012 (298)

Ofakim: 2001 (52) 2012 (278)

Ashdod: 2001 (1,118) 2012 (1,896)

Beit Shemesh: 2001 (770) 2012 (4,427)

The report, which was given prominent real estate in the mainstream newspapers and Israel Radio, will undoubtedly have an impact on the general elections on 11 Shevat 5773, perhaps a compelling factor to get chareidim out to vote or alternatively, to bring additional mandates to the parties seeking to force their realities onto the chareidi education system.

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Have you ever seen such a bunch of spoiled children? I don't even get mad at the chareidim anymore. Just their enablers who bend over every time they throw a fit.

I think the problem lies with those black rectangles over the kids' eyes. They can't see the board.

(Sorry.)

Israel is destroying itself. It's marching right over a cliff, like the proverbial lemmings.

Is the whine mevushal?

Absolutely everything you need to learn a child is directly in the Toirah all the rest is that what makes a goy less than a Yid.

Yidden do not need to learn secular subjects. Everything is in the Torah.

the report focuses on painting chareidim in a bad light, as “parasites” who take from the state without contributing to society

in other words the report is being truthful and accurate. and he left out 'dishonest' too.

Absolutely perfect. You reap what you sow.

If they are not getting an education that empowers them to earn a living then they are not getting a Jewish Education.THAT IS TORAH.
These poor souls do not even have Torah.Was Moshe Rabbenu a beggar?No.He was a humble shepherd.In fact being a humble shepherd was a rather popular parnassa for quite a few of our most revered Tzaddikim.Rambam was a Doctor,Zevulun was a business man & that earned him a blessing before the brother he supported.There are few ways to better sanctify Hashems name than to earn an honest living & to conduct your business affairs honestly.The Torah is replete with passages that extol the dignity of work & the satisfaction derived from the eating of your own labor.How to change the incorrect mindset of these misguided souls is a challenge.I would suggest that one way would be to refuse to give them any form of charity other than to fund institutions that train these misguided souls to earn a living & to live like REAL Jews.

Posted by: Bruce J Cooke | January 03, 2013 at 01:50 AM

Well said.

Posted by: Bruce J Cooke | January 03, 2013 at 01:50 AM

Indeed, well said, but the problem is that the way of life has become deeply entrenched and would take years of concerted effort, and there is no will on the part of their rabbis or Israeli politicians to do so.

I don't think humanity has much time left to begin with, but even if I'm wrong, Israel almost certainly hasn't. I can't see any way in which it can pull itself up out of the hole into which it has dug itself. Netanyahu, the various rebbaim - no one wants to give up his little corner of the sky.

Indeed, well said, but the problem is that the way of life has become deeply entrenched and would take years of concerted effort, and there is no will on the part of their rabbis or Israeli politicians to do so.

Posted by: Jeff | January 03, 2013 at 05:09 AM

I agree. How can the Charedim break the cycle of ignorance and lack of education when they are not allowed to think or act for themselves? They are so disconnected from Judaism that they don't know that being educated and working is Torah.

The only way to break the cycle is by external forceful means. At the extreme it might involve removing children from their parents if they refuse to educate them but a lesser measure might be to ensure that the children go to proper schools during the day and can return to their parents at night.

If everything is in the torah, next time my "check engine" light turns on, I'll consult a chumash rather than the owner's manual. If the problem persists, I'll take my car to a gadol rather than a mechanic.

This is like the legend of the destruction of the Library of Alexandria by Caliph Umar (probably fictional but illustrative of the fundamentalist mindset). Allegedly, the library was torched because if a book went against the Quran it was heretical, and if a book agreed with the Quran, it was superfluous.

In isolating the torah from the world, fundies understand neither the world nor the torah. "Lo b'shemayim hee."

The easiest way to change them is stop all financial support to them i guarantee you change will come immidiatly,money is the only thing they understand and money is the only way they connect to the real world with.

YL - you are taking a narrow view. Since Israel possesses nuclear weapons, missiles, advanced warplanes, Iron Dome, advanced research facilities, etc., it stands to reason that all of these are found in Torah. None of your fancy "learning" was required.

If you pray it, it will come.

/sarcasm off

The only way to break the cycle is by external forceful means. At the extreme it might involve removing children from their parents if they refuse to educate them but a lesser measure might be to ensure that the children go to proper schools during the day and can return to their parents at night.

I agree. I've said as much here before - but it won't be done.

The Torah is replete with passages that extol the dignity of work & the satisfaction derived from the eating of your own labor.How to change the incorrect mindset of these misguided souls is a challenge.Posted by: Bruce J Cooke

quite true. the rebbes and 'gedolim' know this too. however they are no longer really guided by torah. their lifestyle is an evolved meme whose 'goal' is the replication of itself through high fecundity. its leaders know that involvement in the workplace and increased secular education will diminish the prevalence of the meme through lower birthrates and increased dropouts from the lifestyle. thus the proper ruling is to prohibit them regardless of what the torah says. torah and halacha long ago stopped being their guiding force. in effect the charedi meme has a mind of its own. it can only be stopped by cutting off its needed resource, money. debating them and pointing out their inauthenticity is pointless. the meme doesnt care.

http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/idealoccupa.html

Talmudic Attitude Towards Work

The first thing to note is that the sages of the Talmud had a great deal of respect for labor. The Talmud abhorred idleness and felt that it leads to mental illness and sexual immorality (Babylonian Talmud, Kethubos 59b). Rabbi Yosi felt that a person does not die except through idleness (Babylonian Talmud, Avot D'Rabbi Noson 11:1). Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Shimon (Babylonian Talmud, Nedarim 49b) stated: "Great is labor for it honors the workman." Both sages would purposely carry burdens on their shoulders because they wanted their students to see that manual labor should be respected. Rabbi Yehuda b. Bathyra said: "If a person has no work to do, what should he do? If he has a dilapidated yard or field, he should go and occupy himself with it" (Babylonian Talmud,, Avot D'Rabbi Noson 11:1). The Talmud (Babylonian Talmud, Avot D'Rabbi Noson 11:1) also believed that "A person should love work and not hate it; for just as the Torah was given with a covenant, so too was work given with a covenant."

Occupations of the Sages of the Talmud

The sages of the Talmud worked at many diverse occupations. For instance, Hillel was a woodchopper before he became the Nasi (President of the Sanhedrin) and Shammai the Elder was a builder. Abba Chilkiyah was a field laborer; Rabbi Yochanan b. Zakkai was a businessman for forty years; Abba Shaul was a gravedigger; Abba Chilkiyah was a field worker; Abba Oshiya was a launderer; Rabbi Shimon P’kuli was a cotton dealer; Rabbi Shmuel b. Shilas was a school teacher, Rabbi Meir and Rabi Chananel were scribes; Rabbi Yosi b. Chalafta was a tanner; Rabbi Yochanan Hasandlar was a shoemaker; Rabbi Yehoshua b. Chananiah was a blacksmith; Rabbi Safra and Rabbi Dimi of Nehardea were merchants; Rabbi Abba b. Zavina was a tailor; Rabbi Yosef b. Chiya and Rabbi Yannai owned vineyards; Rabbi Huna was a farmer and raised cattle; Rabbi Chisda and Rabbi Papa were beer brewers; Karna was a wine smeller (he determined which wine could be stored and which had to be sold immediately); Rabbi Chiya b. Yosef was in the salt business; Abba Bar Abba, (father of Mar Shmuel) was a silk merchant; and (Mar) Shmuel was a doctor.

Am I correct in saying that there is no word in our Holy tongue for retirement?

Am I correct in saying that there is no word in our Holy tongue for retirement?

Posted by: Bruce J Cooke | January 03, 2013 at 07:39 PM

Its called "learning" full-time in Yeshiva or kollel whilst defrauding the welfare system.

In my opinion, everyone here are afraid to live a truth life of Torah. I'm a Baal Teshuvah, I know how is the life with and without Torah. I have pitty of you, who live a lie because you are afraid to change your way of life. Go on with your life of divorces, violence and deshonesty. Go on with your children who doesn't know what is parents respect. I'll go on with my life of harmony and happines....

Posted by: Baal TEshuvah | January 03, 2013 at 09:58 PM

You do realize that the vast majority of "these people" you attack are either former BTs or former FFB haredim.

Judging from your writing skills, many have much higher levels of secular education than you do. Some clearly have more Jewish education than you, as well.

This "holy life" you're living in your "pure" society – did you not notice the child rapes? The wife beatings? The child abuse? The child neglect? The agunot? The stealing? The frauds? The scams?

Or do you create your own little "pure" bubble by sticking your head in the sand?

You need a good psychiatrist, BT, and you need to open your eyes and see.

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