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December 04, 2012

Satmar School Allegedly Threatened Family Of Victim, Forced Family To Send Girl To Weberman For 'Counseling'

Nechemya Weberman court 11-28-2012 closeupUTA officials allegedly forced the family to pay more than $12,000 to Rabbi Nechemya Weberman up front, and made the girl's mother apologize to Weberman for objecting when he insisted on taking the girl on a day-long car drive alone outsdie the city – a drive that was a clear violation of Jewish law.

Nechemya Weberman court 11-28-2012 closeup
Rabbi Nechemya Weberman

The New York Post reports:

…When asked the repercussion of not sending her youngest daughter [the alleged victim] to Weberman [for counseling], she answered in halting English, “They wouldn’t accept her. They wouldn’t allow her to go to school.”

United Talmudical Academy administrators even required the family to pay Weberman $12,800 in advance — before the teen started eighth grade, the mother testified.

“They wanted to make sure that I would send [her] to Weberman,”…

One story the mother told illustrated the power the school held over her daughter, now 17. When Weberman announced he was taking the teen on a daylong drive, her mother protested, citing “Yichud,” the religious rules that prevent unmarried men and women from being alone together.

But again, the school stepped in and ordered the family to go along with Weberman, she testified.

“I had no other choice,” said the mom, who explained that the school even made her write Weberman to say she was sorry for disagreeing with him. “I had to write him an apology letter.”

The teen’s mother also described the harassment her family faced after her daughter reported the alleged abuse.

“They would scream at him ‘moser, moser!” a Yiddish term for a Jew who reports another Jew to secular authorities, the teen’s mother said. Her 5-year-old granddaughter was also barred from beginning school.…

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במשלי - רועה זונות יאבד הון! ועכשיו יש להם דיני ממונות!

Tell me again that this is not the Mafia. Tell me again that this should not be prosecuted under RICO.

Web... vanished from webcrims without a trace. Is there a blackout as far as the ongoings in court? What's the last and latest status, anybody.

I'm curious if this car ride upstate involved crossing over into New Jersey. That is a potential federal offense of transporting a minor across state lines for the purpose of sexual exploitation.

Web... vanished from webcrims without a trace. Is there a blackout as far as the ongoings in court? What's the last and latest status, anybody.

Posted by: george | December 04, 2012 at 11:03 AM

The court is session right now, testimony is being taken, the trial is continuing as scheduled.

i hope this lays the foundation for a civil suit that bankrupts UTA and exposes whatever else they have going on.

I dont understand why you dont mention the fact about the welfare fraud comitted by the parents. You are leaving out parts of the story I wonder what your agenda is Shmarye?

“I had no other choice,” said the mom"

Of course there was a choice. Choose another school or choose a religion that doesn't require total subservience to a bunch of perverted old men. A religion that puts the welfare of you and your family first. You as a mother failed your child and your family and whining you had no choice is no excuse.

Mr A | December 04, 2012 at 12:40 PM

What does welfare fraud have to do with sexual abuse of this girl?

STICK TO THE POINT!!!

I dont understand why you dont mention the fact about the welfare fraud comitted by the parents. You are leaving out parts of the story I wonder what your agenda is Shmarye?

Posted by: Mr A | December 04, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Please.

1. What the parents did or did not do has nothing whatsoever to do with what Weberman did or did not do.

2. I know Weberman's attorney asked the girl's mother about medicaid fraud, and the judge properly jumped in and removed the mother from the stand until she could consult with an attorney.

3. Medicaid medicare and welfare frauds are endemic in your community, and almost everyone in Satmar is related to or friends with someone who has defrauded the government or is defrauding the government. But in what passes for your mind, being the child of one of those people means you were not raped. American law properly rejects this type of logic because it is idiotic and false. That you believe this type of ridiculous argument simply shows how completely foolish you are.

The mother did have a choice when confronted with the welfare of her daughters and sending them to the school. Send or don't send.

Yes, I know that she'd be ostracized, if she chose not to send. However, like a good member of a cult, she chose the Rebbe's way over the safety and health of her children.

At least she finally realized that family welfare is more important. She should have the strength to continue making good decisions. The family needs support.

After the family's experience and hearing their story, nobody should question reasons why frum people stop being frum.

The mother has incrimanated herself over the fact that she paid Weberman $12,000 + in fees. On the other hand has been collecting Medicade foodstamps ect.(telleing goverment that she doesent have any money) I'm not sure if I would be able to beleive a lier. Once a lier always a lier. Also I cant understand why there would be no physical evidence like seman on clothing over a piriod of 5 years, computer files ect. I can see a motive of accusing Weberman over his direct involvment of trying to bring her boyfriend to trial. With all this said i personaly beleive that Weberman is guilty as hell, he should have not been giving therepy to a girl and have yichud with her.

The point is that the Mother is a LIER she cant be trusted.

Posted by: Mr A | December 04, 2012 at 12:54 PM

I realize you don't think honesty or clearly, but do try to get yourself to process: NO ONE says the girl wasn't a "patient" of Weberman's for almost four years. It is undisputed.

So what you're trying to say – probably because you're dishonestly trying to protect UTJ from a civil suit or other legal repercussions – is that it isn't UTJ's fault.

Knowing what I know about UTJ, I'd say you're not only dishonest – you're wrong.

Posted by: Mr A | December 04, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Did you really expect her not to wash her clothing for two years? It's not as if she was preserving presidential semen on a blue dress.

Welfare? These were wealthy people. How else can they come up with $12,800 in advance for counseling?

Is there a blackout as far as the ongoings in court? What's the last and latest status, anybody.
The New York Daily News is covering the trial almost every day. It's today's top story for Brooklyn.

Monday, another rabbi, Emanuel Yegutkin, went down for molesting boys. New York Daily News:

"Emanuel Yegutkin, 33, was found guilty of 75 counts, with the top one — sustained sexual abuse of a child — carrying a sentence of 25 years in prison. “This violent sexual predator faces the remainder of his life behind bars,” said Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes."

This is starting to look like the way the Catholic Church imploded.

Is Mr. A actually Deremes in disguise?

וועד הרבנים דפה-You SUBHUMAN BEAST DONT TRY TO DOMINATE THIS SITE WITH YOURE TOIREH DREK STUFF

Posted by: Mr A | December 04, 2012 at 12:54 PM

You sound like a Satmar troll. You know very well how the system in ultra-orthodox communities work and the heters for lying to the government in order to collect benefits. Second, you also know that members of the ultra orthodox communities collect money from others and take loans to pay for expenses.

You should know what goes on. If you don't, I think you are a LIAR.

Just because somebody lies about one thing, it doesn't mean he lies about everything. You know what else? Believe it or not, even prostitutes get raped!

To quote Shmarya: "So what you're trying to say – probably because you're dishonestly trying to protect UTJ from a civil suit or other legal repercussions – is that it isn't UTJ's fault."

If UTJ knew about the abuse, maybe criminal conspiracy charges could be brought against them too. Maybe Satmar could become poor from all the litigation like the Catholic church!

Mr A -You brain damaged retard all of you are collecting fraudulantly you dont report youre true income and youre satmerer fraudsters are in cohoots with their own to outsmart the system its called gaming the system you are bringing down the rest of youre own thiefs but youre too dumb to realize that

Mr A - You are sick, a shining example of what cult brainwashing does to the mind. In your case, it's been totally obliterated.


You're a heartless, damaged, callous piece of shit.

weberman is def guilty. no doubt, now with this info. sentencing !!!!

Posted by: jancsibacsi

It sound to me that you are one of the Satmer cult who is on welfare as well as on drugs

The point is that the mother is part of Satmer, she is a fraudster and a lier. She wants to have the cake and eat it to. She is a lier and not to be trusted. OR CAN WE TRUST HER WHEN IT SERVES HER INTEREST?

Mr. A

Your comment shows that you are really a troll, because you know nothing about janscibasi. All regulars and semi-regulars know whom he is!

Stop before you make an even bigger fool of yourself

Mr. A, did you graduate from third grade? What the hell do you Satmars have against spelling?

What kind of name is BAS MELECH? is that like Lemon Jews?

Mr A -I am proud to say i have never ever been on welfare, i can say for sure most of my bp neighbors do have sec.8 food stamps the person who introduced me to fm a neighbor has all those benefits with 8 kids he is much younger then i am but we are in good termes and no i am not a satmer ,you mr.a are a farrikter goilem you just write without thinking for the sake of being stupid go get help youre so mixedup you dont know if youre coming or going.

Mr. A, did you graduate from third grade? What the hell do you Satmars have against spelling?

No I am in fourth grade. I hope my mom does not catch me on the computer.

Posted by: jancsibacsi

You sound bitter to me I think you need help

If you don't what a bas melech is, you might not be a Jew. That is ok. It explains your ignorance.

Then again, you argue like a charedi. If logic and reason fail, you insult the speaker or writer and digress from the subject.

BAS MELECH? jancsbacsi and you have attacked my logic and spelling I have only responded likewise.
I ask a simple question, why put a lier on witness stand. And why Shmarya does not put all facts out on the table?

1)I think he has an agenda, will you agree?

2)Check your own spelling before commenting on mine .

3)You post you name as bas melech, however you are a "pritzke" I therefore question correctly if you know what the meaning of your name is.

4) As a matter of fact I have stated that Webberman i guilty as hell. So we agree on this point.

5)CAN YOU EXPLAIN YOUR QUOTE? "you might not be a Jew. That is ok. It explains your ignorance."

Mr. A,

Why do you call me a pritzke?

Ignorance as to the realities of life. I agree with jansci.

Would you believe that jansci and I never met and never spoke? Yet we agree on many issues. Maybe it is our age.

Once again we are detracting from the issue. You contend that the mother is a liar. I hold that she most likely has a heter to lie in order to get government aid. If she lied, it was with the Rabbis approval. Being a good chasid, she sent her daughter to therapy given by a menuval.

Did I criticize your spelling? If I made a spelling error, maybe my spell check did work properly.

Mr A-I am bitter at you,you are here for the sake of playing mind games without a mind,we went over about her being a lier many times you repeat the same thing when you know darned well that it means nothing here nada you dont want to understand you are being obnoxious repeting the same meshugas,you really thing we are so stupid as to not see through youre insane behaviour you are insulting our intelligence ,stop you insane behaviour

The mother was trying all her life to conform to the norms of a community that was the only world she knew. She is now dealing with a difficult and harsh new reality with a veil of lies ripped from her face. Those who know the community realize that for the defense counsel attack her testimony based on her sec 8 application is total hypocrisy.

a recent study shows that the average education of a charedei yeshiva student graduate has the equivalent of a 4th grade secular student, on this site it is always easy to tell who is a victim of a charred education and who is a troll, ridiculous yiddishisms plus 4th grade spelling = charedie troll, please bar these commentators so we can have a sensible civil dialogue minus the imbeciles, as to the coverage of this as a modern orthodox jew i want to take the train to brooklyn to support this girl and also ask why a seventeen year old victim of sexual abuse has been married off at such a young age so she can now be "accepted " by said community she need child protective services. not a wedding.

As someone who is absolutely convinced that Weberman is guilty, and I don't think the victim's mother's fraud is relevant to whether or not he is guilty, it is relevant. (Otherwise, you'd hear an objection for relevance, which the judge would be required to sustain.)

Why is it relevant? Because any witness who gets on the stand opens themselves up to impeachment by their cross-examiner. The way impeachment works is that if the party opposing the witness wants to discredit the witness, they are allowed to do so by asking any questions revolving around honesty. Obviously, welfare and medicaid fraud indicate dishonesty, which allows the jury to decide not to believe that particular witness. So yes, it is relevant, albeit indirectly.

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