Satmar Reportedly Launches All Out War Against Weberman Victim’s Family, Supporters, Media

Since Rabbi Nechemya Weberman was convicted on 59 counts of sexual abuse Monday, his supporters in Satmar have told customers to boycott the victim’s parents’ businesses, pulled ads from Zev Brenner’s radio show in retaliation for interviewing Weberman’s victim’s husband and the DA, attacked anti-child-sexual-abuse activist Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg and threatened to frame the victim's husband.

Rabbi Nechemya Weberman

Satmar Reportedly Launches All Out War Against Weberman Victim’s Family, Supporters, Media
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

It’s an all out dirty war.

The Daily News reports that since Rabbi Nechemya Weberman was convicted on 59 counts of sexual abuse Monday, his supporters in Satmar have told customers to boycott the victim’s parents’ businesses, pulled ads from Zev Brenner’s radio show in retaliation for interviewing Weberman’s victim’s husband and the DA, and spat on anti-child-sexual-abuse activist Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg.

“It’s getting serious,” a source in law enforcement reportedly told the News.

It sure is – even more serious than the Daily News reported.

According to the victim’s husband Boory, after the conviction Weberman’s family threatened to have girls falsely claim that Boory sexually assaulted them when they were minors.

Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg was attacked with bleach in Williamsburg the day after Weberman’s conviction.

One man, a hasid named Meilech Schnitzler, has been arrested in that attack, but police and the DA Charles Hynes insist the attack was not directly related to the Weberman verdict.

Rosenberg and his lawyer – Abe George, a potential candidate for Brooklyn DA – disagree. They also want Hynes to step aside and bring in another district attorney to prosecute the case. They believe Hynes won’t handle Rosenberg’s case fairly because of the years Rosenberg criticized Hynes’ inaction on and mishandling of haredi child sex abuse cases.

Even before the conviction, the victim’s family felt the sting of Satmar’s wrath.

At trial the victim testified that after she filed a criminal complaint against Weberman, her father’s business started losing clients, her nieces were kicked out of their Satmar school, and her husband’s restaurant’s kosher certificate was cancelled, forcing the restaurant to close.

After Weberman was found guilty, a text message was circulated in the Satmar community naming the victim’s mother and accusing her of “killing the Jewish Nation.”

“Please send around to at least 10 people. If you’re going to [name redacted] to make your face . . . you are a part of killing the Jewish Nation and five [Weberman] kids are home without a father,” the Daily News translation from Yiddish reads.

“The pressure — it’s unbelievable. I can’t take it anymore,” the victim’s mother told the Daily News.

The News also reports that what they identify as “sources close to the case” say that Weberman’s backers want to hire criminal defense attorney Alan Dershowitz to handle Weberman’s appeal.

Comments

[Yochanan Lavie]

Apologies to:
5th Dimension - Age Of Aquarius:

When the loon is in the Satmar House
And Weberman becomes a star
Then pedos rule the planet
And hate will start the wars

This is a warning 'bout the Age of Barbarians
The Age of Barbarians
Barbarians! Barbarians!

Hassidism's undermining,
Sympathy is not for victims,
Super kosher supervision,
Golden memories of Viznitz,
Mystic "toyreh" revelation,
And the mind's disintegration
Barbarians! Barbarians!

(Repeat first two verses)

Man the frontline, man the frontline, Yids
The frontline, Yids! (etc. to fadeout).

[MarkfromShortHills]

YL, this is brilliant. But at the same time it makes me highly uncomfortable.

[Ari]

"you are a part of killing the Jewish Nation."

These guys are filth.

[Lamech]

pulled ads from Zev Brenner’s radio show

What were the Satmars advertising?

[Ari]

If things get worst maybe the feds will get involve.

[PUT A SQUARE INTO A HOLE]

thiese stoeies are just the tip of the iceberg.
Satmars are the # 1 bastards and they will make anyones life a living hell if they dont agree with you

MAY WASSERMAN ROT IN JAIL......

[Nehemiah]

pulled ads from Zev Brenner’s radio show

What were the Satmars advertising?

Posted by: Lamech | December 14, 2012 at 07:22 AM

From the article one ad was pulled. That being said, it still is wrong and the person who pulled the ad should be brought up on charges as an accomplice.

[njsmiley]

Does anyone knowh to contact the victims mother?

I think the best way to show support at this time would be to hire her to "make my face." Is it true that she is a Mary Kay rep? Does anyone know if itis possible to order Mary Kay through her by phone or maybe someone can offer to set up a website. There has to be a way to show support for her business for those of us not zoche (BH!) to live in Williamsburg

[BaltimoreYid]

“The pressure — it’s unbelievable. I can’t take it anymore,” the victim’s mother told the Daily News.
Really? Do what this former black hatted Agudahnik did, leave! I am telling you my life is normal now. No more overpriced low-quality kosher food. No more tuition. No more idiot rabbis. Try it out you can always make "teshuva" & return. Why would any normal person subject themselves to orthodox Judaism? Hinduism is looking better everyday!

[esther lubinsky]

once the sting is out the stinger often dies. Is this the fate of webermans supporters?these SATMAR ARE THE the scum of judaism, the dog turd under your shoe ,to be wiped off. why do you all allow this to happenCut off there money supply and they will be no longer afactor in your lives. without oil saudi would be JUST A LARGE DESET.this is Satmar an empty sandy place barren and useless unless for camekls and desert creatures

[Bas Melech]

@njsmiley

Good idea to show our support both to her family and business.

[What do u expect]

Man the criminal lawyers in Willi are going to be busier than ever

[ah-pee-chorus]

i hope this spurs a decision by the victim and her family to sue UTA for $100M and drives these evil delusional fools empire into bankruptcy.

[flatearth]

You want to do something? Contact Cuomo and your representatives and demand an end to the millions of dollars of state aid poured into Kiryas Joel. The poorest town in NY gets a windfall for bogus educational programs. Plus all the money from Ramapo Schools for special education.

For an impoverished town, you don't see much poverty.

BTW, has KJ said a prayer or set up any assistance for the sanitation guys family?

[Osaze]

“The pressure — it’s unbelievable. I can’t take it anymore,” the victim’s mother told the Daily News.
Really? Do what this former black hatted Agudahnik did, leave! I am telling you my life is normal now. No more overpriced low-quality kosher food. No more tuition. No more idiot rabbis. Try it out you can always make "teshuva" & return. Why would any normal person subject themselves to orthodox Judaism? Hinduism is looking better everyday!

Posted by: BaltimoreYid | December 14, 2012 at 07:57 AM

She doesn't have to leave Orthodox, just leave the fold. She can always become Modern Orthodox.

[nah]

I don't like the Satmar one bit, but remember, economic boycotts are perfectly legal. Intimidation and coercion are not. Pulling ads and organizing boycotts are, as far as I know (assuming no other shenanigans), legitimate ways of expressing a group's views. Threats to trump up charges and assualts on activists, on the other hand, require law enforcement interdiction.

[Jimmy Lakes]

1. If I am Satmar I believe EVERYTHING I was taught. We are perfect vessels for Torah. The world outside is corrupt. If I have a question there is always a Rebbe nearby who will answer it.

2. I therefore cannot accept that something in my community is corrupt. The belief system I was brought up with has no release valve to accommodate acceptance of anything contrary to what my Rebbe's have told me. The only options open to me are first to deny, deny and deny. Second, lash out,, at the victim, the press, the goyim, the parents of the victim and anything in range...except my system. What I have learned all my life cannot possibly be wrong.

3. Future? Civil Suits against Satmar and then you will see a huge change. The only way they can protect their empire will be to distance themselves from Weberman and claim he was acting (illegally) all on his own. Just as the Catholic church has done a 180, the Satmar too will be forced to take a public position of protecting victims. It will be interesting to watch. The old Gadolim will be forced out for younger 'outwardly thinking' ones who while continuing their traditions will be more aware of the world outside of the Williamsburg/KJ axis. They see the political winds starting to blow in a different direction and asking for a million dollar defense fund to be raised is just the issue to make them really think about what they are doing. Too much money at stake to risk their investments on scum like Weberman; he will be out of sight and out of mind.

[Pelegesh]

This is the biggest disgace to the Jewish religion.
The Satmars who support Webberman are all going straight to hell on the Scumbag Express.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Baltimore: Hinduism has an interesting philosophy, but dealing with one god is quite enough for me, thank you! (LOL)

[Luke]

Where is Yossi Gestetner in all of this? Actually, we have heard little from him since the verdict. Hmmm... he frequents Zev's show every once and again. What will he do now?
Kind of like being between and black hat and a hard place, wouldn't you say? Sad. Luke

[Pelegesh]

Dial this number 347 460 5624 and donate to the saving Webberman fund...
Or just tell them how feel

[Luke]

"you are a part of killing the Jewish Nation."

More Satmar delusion. They are not part of the "Jewish Nation". They are unclassified extremists. Sad. Luke

[No_Light]

My heart goes out to Mr & Mrs Deutsch and their families.

It's sad that they're so brainwashed, so indoctrinated into fearing the outside world, that they almost certainly can't contemplate a life out in the world.

Like BaltimoreYid said, it's great out here, we have cake and no tyrannical Rebbes.

[Luke]

"we have cake and no tyrannical Rebbes" LOL

New mantra. "Come over to the bright side we have cake and no tyrannical Rebbes!"

Luke

[rebitzman]

@YL

I get ONE song stuck in my head and I just about go crazy - I'd hate to live in yours.

Great job!

[Eli, what me messiah?]

flatearth,
your proposal makes a lot of sense. pull the plug on what should be considered an illegal government subsidy of religion in KJ.
at the very least, this should deflate the desire of politicians wanting to show they are tight with the Satmar bloc.

[Eli, what me messiah?]

YL, nice one!

[Sarek]

YL, nice one!
Posted by: Eli, what me messiah? | December 14, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Ditto!
I guess using the "Hair" song "Sodomy" was too easy? :^)

[Mike Kats]

Esty lubinsky: Shame on you for calling all Satmer to be whipped off, you are not batter then Joseph Gables and Hitler, or neo-Nazis who are using the same language against Secular Jews because of Bernie Madof, Goldam Sacks and Lehman Brothers. I hope you and you entire family gets wiped out.

[flatearth]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/nyregion/kiryas-joel-a-village-with-the-numbers-not-the-image-of-the-poorest-place.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://forward.com/articles/132846/special-satmar-school-district-gets-a-windfall/

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=83965

http://jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2352:yeshivas-obtain-major-pell-grants-funding&catid=102:education&Itemid=285

I really don't care what they do to each other, I am just sick of paying for them.

[F M]

If the Satmars had any "Ruach Hakodesh" they should have castrated/emasculated Weberman years ago. They wouldnt be in this mess.

Castrate all molesters of all faiths, NOW!

We wouldnt be spending all that tax revenue with costly cases.

[Mike Kats]

KJ is purportedly poor because of big families; private schools (saves a lot of money for the GOV).

KJ has also one of the lowest crime rate in the nation, and real voilent crime does not exist in that or any other ultre-orthdox communities

[Rochel]

I agree. We FM-ers can do something. Let's put our heads together and see what we can do to show support and help the victim and her family. I am sure we have a wide variety for skills and talents here among us, let's put our heads together and find ways to support and help them. Any ideas?

As an example, is there a petition already out there where people can sign to show support for the family? It might be comforting to them to see all the signatures. Can we start a kickstarter campaign to raise money for them? (I am not sure if Kickstrater is the right place, but we could find a similar fundraising site.) Let's keep brainstorming...

[Mike Kats]

Modern Orthodox is great, they have both world's I guess. Both for does who really care about the generations to come (150 years from now) Ultra-orthodox is the way - it has been proven by history.

[Shmarya]

Modern Orthodox is great, they have both world's I guess. Both for does who really care about the generations to come (150 years from now) Ultra-orthodox is the way - it has been proven by history.

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 10:55 AM

First of all, Mike, you really have no knowledge at all of Jewish history.

Starting from the starting point of ultra-Orthodoxy, approximately 1800, the largest assimilation in the recorded history of Judaism came FROM the haredi world, and outflow of huge proportions beginning about 1881-2 and only slowing down starting about 100 years later.

Haredism is not a success at anything other than making babies and oppressing them.

[Rochel]

"Haredism is not a success at anything other than making babies and oppressing them."
Pretty funny.

[three_oaths]

The Satmar mafia seems desperate, with no end to the mischief and sleaziness it will pull to try to control and brainwash people. Nevertheless, power to the victim, her family, her suppoters, and brave whistleblowers like Nuchem Rosenberg; the fight against coverups must continue.

[flatearth]

OK Kats, I'll take the bait - did you read the articles? All the KJ school money comes from working TAX PAYERS like me. I work and put 2 kids through college with no public assistance and I don't expect any. Why do I have to pay for a bunch of over prolific breeding brain dead walking uteri so local politicians stay elected by benefit of the voting block?

I don't really care about their internal crime rate; doesn't matter to me if they live in peace or kill or rape each other for that matter, I just don't want to PAY for them. And I am being specific here about Satmar and Skevre, not Jewish at large.

What the fuck do you do for a living? Do you pay your fair share? Have kids you can't afford on your own? If so, say fucking thank you.

And that goes for the rest of you cult parasite leaches.

[Mike Kats]

Shmarya: We had this discussion already and I though you agreed that until Haskalh (1800’s) most of Ashkenazi Jews (at least the institutions, books, rabbi’s and perception of a Jew) were strictly frum (they tried to keep all laws of the Shlcen Eruch), they didn’t have Shrtimlech and long payes but were strictly frum

[Shmarya]

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM

They were TRAPPED. They were NOT willingly doing it.

As soon as they had a chance to leave without converting, they LEFT.

[Mike Kats]

Fla:

They only get assistance for lunch programs, busses and special need children. Everything else (building’s, maintenance, teacher’s etc) are privately funded. The Gov is now allowed to assist religious schools.
Low crime rate saves a lot for the GOV.
I don’t know the number’s but it’s fair to say, all in all it may be a wash.
Funny, the word parasites are used on ALL Jews (included you) by the Neo-Nazis, are they right?
According to Romney 47% of America are parasites.
I’m not that progressive so I won’t say fucking thank you, just old-fashion thank you and God Bless America.

[Jay]

Ultra-orthodox is the way - it has been proven by history.

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Haredism is not a success at anything other than making babies and oppressing them.

Posted by: Shmarya | December 14, 2012 at 11:05 AM

I think Mike meant Jews who follow Halacha.

[jancsibacsi]

The hassidim are getting a free ride on other jews coattail and dragging everyone down with themselfs,this is my oppinion in short about them,shaming all of us terribly and destroying the good reputation we have.

[seymour]

Esty lubinsky: Shame on you for calling all Satmer to be whipped off, you are not batter then Joseph Gables and Hitler, or neo-Nazis who are using the same language against Secular Jews because of Bernie Madof, Goldam Sacks and Lehman Brothers. I hope you and you entire family gets wiped out.

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM

while the was was unforgivably the difference is that their community did not get behind him raise money for him protest for him yell frame up call the da evil and so on that is the diffidence

[flatearth]

Kats - you said it like a true welfare leach; God Bless America.

Again - What the fuck do you do for a living? Do you pay your fair share? Do you have kids you can't afford on your own? Do you collect social assistance?

[Mike Kats]

JAN: The main complains of the anti-Semites are against Secular Jews, just go to their web sites (I was there and I read the Mein-kampf).

Shmarya, I agree many Jews were trapped, I actually love our system of free will and that everybody should live based on their believes and conscience – God Blass America.

What amasses me, is (some) secular Jews (and many other secular for that matter) who do have the opportunity of full education and the American way of not stereotyping, who are so close minded and un-educated of all facts and figures.

[Expatriate Owl]

The Agudath Israel has been remarkably silent about this whole thing.

[Mike Kats]

Fla:

If you want to get personnel I have some questions of my own:

Did you ever smoke Marijuana or cocaine? Did you ever under-report your income with 50$? Did you ever committed adultery or kissed another woman inappropriately?

[Mike Kats]

FLA: Just for the kick out if it, i will say only this:

I’m a hedge fund manager, my income is tied to the stock market, on some years I’m from the 47%, on some years I’m in the 53% (including this year which was good B”H)

[Bas Melech]

@Shmarya and Mike,

Many years ago, a charedi woman, raised among Satmar, told me that more people leave ultra-orthodoxy than become ultra-charedi.
She never mentioned the reasons why. I've heard the same from others. None of them labeled them OTD or mental cases. Just stated facts.

If the ultra-orthodox and chasidim did not have a high birth rate, their numbers would be noticeably lower.

Unfortunately, both religious and non-religious stereotype. Charedi misconceptions of seculars is just as derogatory as seculars of chasidim.

[Mike Kats]

Bas: Very well put

[Moshe Aron Kestenbaum, Williamsburg]

"It's the End of the World as We Know It in satmar . At times it feels that there are so many curve balls that it feels like things are falling apart one after another."Everything gets f-cked up,when one guy goes to jail. I have had it, Now ya all have a gut shaboss

[BK]

Shmarya:
Last night, I tried to listen to the interview with the husband in your link: http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/12/audio-interview-with-weberman-victims-husband-and-with-da-456.html

The interview with the DA is there. But the interview with the husband no longer seems to be there. I tried it twice, thinking the mistake was mine.

Was Zev Brenner pressured to remove it?

[Jimmy]

An excellent post that I read I am posting it for you to read from a williamsburg resident.

Posted by: Moshe Aron Kestenbaum, Williamsburg .

While I can’t speak about this parsha about the causes, or what the issues were because I really dont know the details of this parsha or what exacerbated this story One thing I can say is that there are some in the community who are lunatics and are hellbent on being idiots.It seems sheer lunacy to abuse someone or hurt someone because of their outspoken nature. Nuchem Rosenberg has a right to speak . freedom of expression is the idea that every individual should be able to decide for him or herself which opinions and information are of value and worth sharing with others.a community should not impose on its members a duty to express information or opinions which they do not support or consider false or useless. There are a number of men in the community who can’t conceive other people as having open minds, who think they have the exclusive rights to a culture of thinking and that talking about things considered controversial topics is exclusive of ambition, independence, and intelligence. All this has to change and it will change we live in america not a gulag or under some dictatorship. It seems sheer lunacy to abuse someone because he talks, you dont have to listen to him, dont listen to his hotline or dont read his blogs, but you have no right to abuse him or do violant things to him, this attitudes and behavior has to change and will change god willing

Posted by: Moshe Aron Kestenbaum, Williamsburg | December 13, 2012 at 07:19 AM

[rebitzman]

@Mike Kats

You would have a potential point if what you were saying about the crime rate in KJ was accurate - it is not.

According to the state comparative crime statistics, the estimated Kiryas Joel crime index is 32% higher than that of the New York, the estimated Kiryas Joel violent crime rate is 29% higher than that of New York and the the estimated Kiryas Joel property crime rate is 32% higher than than that of New York.

[Mike Kats]

REB, Can you send me the link, please

[Yochanan Lavie]

Thanks to: Mark from SH, Rebitzman, Sarek, and Eli. Shabbat shalom and guten Shabbos.

[Shmarya]

Shmarya:
Last night, I tried to listen to the interview with the husband in your link: http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/12/audio-interview-with-weberman-victims-husband-and-with-da-456.html

The interview with the DA is there. But the interview with the husband no longer seems to be there. I tried it twice, thinking the mistake was mine.

Was Zev Brenner pressured to remove it?

Posted by: BK | December 14, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Right click the link and listen to it in a new tab or a new window. It's all there.

[flatearth]

Kats - no on all counts, lead a pretty straight up life.

[Mike Kats]

My source that there is no REAL Violet CRIME in KJ was in an Article on FailedMasieh from FEB 2009 Here is part of the article

THR’s great expert, Samuel Heilman, professor of Jewish Studies at Queens College, misses one extraordinary fact: There is virtually no crime in Kiryas Joel, beyond some broken windows and the occassional punch in the nose related to internal Satmar rivalries.

According to BestPlaces.net, which ranks communities according to FBI data on a scale from 1 (best) to 10 (worst), in violent crime and property crime, Kiryas Joel gets the best possible grade (1) in both categories. Carbondale (the city closest in median income) ranks 5 in violent crime, 7 in property. Buffalo, N. Y. has long been in a downward economic spiral, and ranks 8 and 7. In Westchester, White Plains, ranked 2 and 5. Most Jews may not realize it, but Sullivan County’s Monticello has become the devil’s plaground, with an 8 in violent crime; 7 in property crime. New York City ranks 6 and 5.

(Violent crime includes murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. The US average is 3. Property crime includes burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson. The US average is 3.)

How is it not a front-page story everywhere when a town that ranks worst in poverty, is ranked the safest, particularly when the median age there is 14 – teenagers, the worst demographic for crime?

Perhaps the answer is, simply, they love God and God’s laws. Many people call Satmar “extremists.” That’s true. They have extremely low crime, defying the social scientists because they won’t defy God.

Instead of blaming the families of Kiryas Joel for bringing on poverty by bringing up so many children, the opposite is true. The strength of the families is a blessing. The families of Kiryas Joel are the reason crime is so low. The biggest statistical tip-off to a high crime rate is children being raised by unwed single mothers. There are no – zero – unwed single mothers in Kiryas Joel. The lack of crime reflects that.

[Mike Kats]

Here is the link for FM 2009

I guess your statistics (Assuming you did read in accurately) refer's only to a punch in the nose. I specifically stated "REAL VIOLENT CRIME"

[Mike Kats]

Here is my link (FM 2009) where is yours?

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2009/02/off-the-mark-kiryas-joel-garden-of-eden-jewish-week-says.html

[seymour]

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 12:49 PM

good news is not front page news and teh article was listing poverty rates and did point out that KJ does not look like a poverty stricken area so there was some positive written.

PS and they did not mention any issues of fraud

[Palti]

BTW, has KJ said a prayer or set up any assistance for the sanitation guys family?

Posted by: flatearth | December 14, 2012 at 08:42 AM

This is a tragedy that goes beyond KJ, we here at Failedmessiah should set up a fund that we all can donate to.

[Mike Kats]

Fla: good for you i respect that, now you should add one more great American value: Not to stereotype, and if you do stereotype then look also on the good of the group, because if not that the Nazis are right.

[Shmarya]

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 12:55 PM

You're a dishonest troll, and none to bright.

Process "Kats":

When Satmar does not report inside-group crime, it isn't counted in government statistics.

That doesn't meant that the crime doesn't exist – as I clearly showed in the post you linked to.

Additionally, homogenous communities tend to have lower crime rates than mixed communities, because a percentage of crime flourished on the distrust of and hatred for the Other.

Kiryas Joel is – illegally – homogenous.

The problem with you Satmar hasidim is that so many of you are fundamentally dishonest. You are the stereotypical lying Hungarians all other Jewish groups detest.

Now here's the deal, "Mike": STOP TROLLING, STOP LYING, STOP DECEIVING.

This isn't Williamsburg, Mikie, and it never will be.

[seymour]

Posted by: Shmarya | December 14, 2012 at 01:14 PM

I do not think he is lying but really wants to believe that whatever good he can find is limited to satmar and satmar only and not for the reason you stated

[Mike Kats]

Here you go again with your conspiracy theories and insults. Typical when a close minded person gets shaking up and confused.

1) There are 2 riverly groups in KJ and they report all Crimes that are associate with that (all nose punches get reported and some even want to jail), if there was murder and other major crimes it will get out.

2) NW and other cases prove that crimes do get out, and NO ONE ever report a real crime in KJ, even from the 100's of ppl who left and hate the Community.

[Mike Kats]

BTW the same is true for all Orthodox group's and location's (Aron was the 1st or 2nd murder in 60 years in B.P) there is a low crime rate in all Muslim nation's and also with the Nation of Islam ppl, Like it or not believe it or not i don't care.

Religion and strong family values reduces crime tremendously

[Shmarya]

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 01:34 PM

Please.

Lets see, in the Weberman case, his victim and her family have been threatened, extorted, harassed and intimidated. Weberman's other victims who talked to police were afraid to testify because of, well, the thugs you live with.

There are, however, many more victims or Weberman and of other criminals who have not come forward at all because of those thugs.

You're a colossal fool, "Mike," and you're also a very disingenuous, lying, pathetic Hungarian troll.

[Mike Kats]

I'm LOL to all X cahsid out there, You are still a Cahsid just with out the belive in God, BUT YOU STILL HAVE (AND ALWAYS WILL HAVE) THIS DNA. You have no frfum values and no secular values, Trully lost of both worlds nabach

[Mike Kats]

But they still came forward and there are many frum jews who are in jail for many year's because of the tastemoney OF OTHER FRUM JEWS, including child molesting. So this disproofs your point.

[seymour]

I'm LOL to all X cahsid out there, You are still a Cahsid just with out the belive in God, BUT YOU STILL HAVE (AND ALWAYS WILL HAVE) THIS DNA. You have no frfum values and no secular values, Trully lost of both worlds nabach

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 01:44 PM

we have it in our dna in our blood

spoken like a true nazi.

we might have it because we where had a chashdish upbringing but not our blliod

[Mike Kats]

To all of you who are living in the KJ WILL B.P Flatbush tell Shmarya if i'm wright or wrong.

BTW Russians are considered for bigger liers then Hungarian's. And my grandfather was not the AL Capone of ST L. like your grand-father was

[Mike Kats]

Right or wrong

[John Nagle, Silicon Valley, CA]

This is turning into a job for the NYPD's Gang Unit, based in Brooklyn South. The Gang Unit is used to dealing with exactly this problem. Police Commissioner Kelly says of Brooklyn gangs: "Their loyalty is to their friends living in a relatively small area and their rivalries are based not on narcotics trafficking or some other entrepreneurial interest, but simply on local turf. In other words, you come in to my backyard and you get hurt. You diss my crew and you pay the price."

Does that description sound appropriate?

[Shmarya]

But they still came forward and there are many frum jews who are in jail for many year's because of the tastemoney OF OTHER FRUM JEWS, including child molesting. So this disproofs your point.

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 01:50 PM

Idiot.

S-O-M-E people do come forward, AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE FROM WHAT I WROTE.

The number of victims who do come forward is smaller than in non-haredi communites, however – much smaller – and that skews the statistics.

Got that, you pathetic, transparently idiotic Satmar troll?

[njsmiley]

There are no – zero – unwed single mothers in Kiryas Joel. The lack of crime reflects that.

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Where did you get your statistics of zero unwed mothers? Definitely not from the same government statistics websites that you claim to have gotten the violence statistics. Everyone knows that "all" the mothers there are unwed according to the government- they get more food stamps that way...So do you live there to know that there are "zero" without a religious Zero quite frankly seems ipossible.

[seymour]

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 01:56 PM

you point of comparing to others is an non starter since you would never use that if a frum person i caught eating trief

the issue is that the community tries too hide it even to the extend that it hurts the victims and may endanger others.

in addition they but all their emphasis on dress and maybe beain adom lamokom and put no emphases on bein adom lachavarah

a person wears shorts he is shamed. get convicting for massive fraud he is a martyr why is that.

when it was discovered that my patents house was robbed on shabbos was done by frum kids. all the concern was how could they carry the stuff on shabbos (before the erov) not one person said frum boys stealing not one

that is sad

[SkepticalYid]

Posted by: Mike Kats | December 14, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Let's see some verifiable and reliable studies linking single motherhood to crime. Furthermore, let's discuss in detail the stigma attached to mothers, children and the extended families of divorced women in Satmar.

[rebitzman]

Got that, you pathetic, transparently idiotic Satmar troll?

And that's all he is. A troll.

Candles shortly - good Shabbes amigo.. Our troll is no doubt at home in Xanadu (KJ) where no one hurts anyone, no one does anything wrong, where the median income is under $18k a year and where half the folks have trouble speaking English and do not even have a high school diploma.

[ah-pee-chorus]

where the median income is under $18k a year and where half the folks have trouble speaking English and do not even have a high school diploma.

Posted by: rebitzman

yup....

Estimated median household income in 2009: Kiryas Joel:
$17,770
New York:
$54,659

yet despite a median inc. just ONE THIRD of the NY avg. the median home price is HIGHER!!!!!

CAN YOU SPELL F-R-A-U-D ?

Estimated median house or condo value in 2009:
Kiryas Joel:
$359,797
New York:
$306,000

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Kiryas-Joel-New-York.html#ixzz2F48Whs2x

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Kiryas-Joel-New-York.html#ixzz2F48Dv7iH

[esther lubinsky]

JUST CUT OFF THESE FREE LOADERS FREE USA FUNDS and SATMAR WILL DISAPPEAR PROBABLY TO PARAGUAY OR SOME Such place in south america maybe HREENLAND,as they dress for snow conditions.signed by shaboss goy obo the writer.

[Steven]

Shmarya, can you open paypal account for the victim and family and post link here.

[Dan]

Satmars are the scourge of Judaism. At a recent 42nd Street rally sponsored by and orchestrated by Arab-Americans against Israel defending itself against mortar attacks, etc., the Satmars were visibly supporting this Arab dreck. And when I told several Satmars that they are a shanda fer de goyim, one of them looked at me and replied, "thank you". We can only add that this Weberman pedophile be sentenced to a lengthy term(s) of imprisonment.

[Shmaryah should change his name to Julious Streicher]

Starting from the starting point of ultra-Orthodoxy, approximately 1800, the largest assimilation in the recorded history of Judaism came FROM the haredi world, and outflow of huge proportions beginning about 1881-2 and only slowing down starting about 100 years later
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Shmaryah,you are a bigger idiot than i thought you were,ultra orthodoxy started in 1800,are you criminally insane? judaism" the last 1500 years was always defined as orthodox,it is the haskalah with it's reform and conservative judaism that reared it's ugly head the last 200 years,
care to explain this stupid and ignorant staement of yours

[Shmarya]

Posted by: Shmaryah should change his name to Julious Streicher | December 15, 2012 at 05:36 PM

If you had more than a 3rd grade Chabad education, you'd know how idiotic you sound.

But you don't, because you were educated in the Rebbe's school system.

[Saloman]

Estimated median house or condo value in 2009:
Kiryas Joel:
$359,797
New York:
$306,000

If you look further down on the page you will see that the latest home sale price is between $150,000 and $200,000. Another indication of living cost in KJ is the following line.

Median gross rent in 2009: $1,090.

[Ploni Almoni]

Sick Satmar.

[spacedout BT]

Leave the dark side! Run to the light! Run to the light!

[joan]

Weberman should rot in hell
I hope he never gets out of
jail. Hopefully, the judge will
throw the book at him
He should not be given kosher
food. A real jew would never
commit such a crime.

[Shmaryah,should change his name to Julius Streicher]

If you had more than a 3rd grade Chabad education, you'd know how idiotic you sound.

But you don't, because you were educated in the Rebbe's school system.
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hey idiot,why are you changing the subject?
my education is not the issue,it is your insane and idiotic statement,that ultra orthodox judaism is only 200 years old,
now let see you defend this sick joke of yours

[Shmarya]

Posted by: Shmaryah,should change his name to Julius Streicher | December 15, 2012 at 07:56 PM

You're just proving my point.

All academic scholars, historians, etc. date the beginning of what we call ultra-Orthodox Judaism to approximately 1800 CE.

[Rueven Aharon]

Frumodoxers ought to look into becoming Karaites and making the Talmud an optional thing. They claim it's the Oral Law. Muhammad, alleged prophet of the Muslims, took some of the Talmud seriously enough to work it into the Koran. (http://quran.com/5/32 sound familiar to you? It should. It was plagiarized from Sanhedrin 37a.) It is actually the result of a long debate among medieval rabbis that somehow took on the force of law over the centuries. Karaites took one look at this tomfoolery and said, "They're inflating all the rules again. Why not keep it simple?" (The Samaritans* keep it even simpler, using only the Torah as sacred law and not the rest of the Tanakh. And of course, there's Reform Judaism, which is pretty much cafeteria Judaism overall, but has a modern perspective. Frumodoxers at least have a bit of respect for the Karaites, I think. They helped finalize the Masoretic Bible, after all.)

*Which I consider essentially a branch of Judaism. What's really the difference between them and biblical Judaism? A different holy center of worship. (They look towards Mt. Gerizim rather then the Jerusalem Temple Mount.) I'm not sure what other differences would be there, since it's mostly the same stuff in their Torah that exists in our Torah, I think. Except for all the passages regarding where exactly Jews/Samaritans came from and where G-d wants people to sacrifice animals and house the Covenant.)

The whole Samaritan/Jewish fight in antiquity was a Chillul Hashem, the peak of which was the demolition of the Samaritan Temple by none other than a descendant of the Maccabees. Jesus, alleged messiah of the Christians, properly called the two sides out on it, by hinting at the folly of stereotyping (or so his follower Luke said). (Of course, in modern Israel, nobody's much bothered by a religious group that has all of 700 members, which is up from the 200 that it was several decades ago.)

[Rueven Aharon]

I referred to Jesus of Nazareth's story of the "good Samaritan" when I was talking about the folly of stereotyping. Of course, the Christian world forgot where exactly the storyteller was coming from, and started assuming that a "Samaritan" was any charitable person, leading to a lot of Christian charities with "Samaritan" in their name. I wonder if some of those Christians even knew there was an ethnic group or a religion behind the word.

Anyhow, I apologize for going off on tangents. It's just that I find the stuff interesting. *chuckles*

[Rueven Aharon]

You know, Reform Judaism, if it were tweaked here and there to encourage proselytizing, would make a fine missionary branch of Judaism. I mean, it's Judaism without going overboard about the rules. People in Europe picked Christianity over Judaism because frummers were excessively uptight about halacha, while Christians had the excuse that their founder basically sacrificed himself so people wouldn't have to do anything with respect to sacrifice, and furthermore, they claim that he overthrew halacha. When Muhammad started his religion he tried his own brand of halacha, but the Arab audience he was catering to felt overwhelmed and he had to scale it back. (The fact that he was trying to attract Christians along with Jews didn't really help his effort.) Muhammad came to rely increasingly on warfare to get his way.

What does Reform Judaism say? Halacha was written by people, but G-d provided much of the inspiration, so it is worthy of study and has numerous good ideas. However, this was thousands of years ago and there's bathwater to be thrown out. (And so a lot of Reformim eat trayfe shrimp and go writing in their diaries on Shabbos.) But they know there's a baby in that bathwater. (And so we have charities, Zionism, and the striving for righteousness and saving lives, and making the world a better place.) Reform Jewish worship takes two forms, davening and activism. And who really cares if a piano or organ accompanies the V'ahavta or Shema?

[Rueven Aharon]

Starting from the starting point of ultra-Orthodoxy, approximately 1800, the largest assimilation in the recorded history of Judaism came FROM the haredi world, and outflow of huge proportions beginning about 1881-2 and only slowing down starting about 100 years later
======================================
Shmaryah,you are a bigger idiot than i thought you were,ultra orthodoxy started in 1800,are you criminally insane? judaism" the last 1500 years was always defined as orthodox,it is the haskalah with it's reform and conservative judaism that reared it's ugly head the last 200 years,
care to explain this stupid and ignorant staement of yours

Judaism, before the Haskalah, was Judaism. There was no "Orthodox" and no "Reform". Both Orthodoxy and Reform took their stances when modernism came to the Western world and brought the doctrine of "reason" with it, secular reason, not authoritarian reason based on the Scriptures. Reformim liked the new ideal, Orthodoxim hated it.

Sects and movements and disagreements have always divided Judaism, though, just in different flavors over the ages. With the rules of the Talmud, there were Ashkenazi and Sephardi communities, and, before that, there were the Sura school, the Pumbeditha school, the Palestine school, and other academies that contributed to the Talmud, all with their own communities of followers. Without the Talmudic rules, there was Karaite Judaism and, off on the fringes, the seemingly dying sect of the Samaritans.

Go back even earlier, and we see the Sadduccees, Essenes, Pharisees (or Sages), Zealots, and Christians (yes, they started out being Jewish and then grew apart). And, oh yeah, the Samaritans, who thought they were goyish, and Jews were only too happy to encourage that line of thinking. Head back into the age of Tanakh, and you'd be surprised to happen upon the rites at the Jewish temple of Elephantine or the later ones at Leontopolis. (The latter one might have been a result of the same troubles that gave us the holiday of Hanukkah.) Also, there was Tel Arad with its mysterious temple. Some people may well have practiced a syncretic religion combining Judaism and Cana'anite paganism, mixing sacrifices to HaShem with Asherah poles and Ba'alist statues. (Hence all the religiously motivated violence in the Tanakh and holier-than-thou speeches by Israelite prophets against this syncretism.) And, of course, as the Passover Haggadah likes to remind us, "our ancestors were idolators in the land of Egypt".

I am unsure of exactly when Judaism became a distinctive religion. Perhaps it was when Moses came down from the mountain, or when Abraham shattered his statues. Perhaps it only truly emerged in exile on the shores of Babylon between the First and Second Temples. But it was a distinctive religion by Second Temple times, that I'm pretty sure of. (I don't think they called it Judaism then. They probably thought of it as the Hebrew or Israelite beliefs, of beliefs of those devoted to HaShem. Judah was the primary surviving country practicing the religion after the Kingdom of Israel got smashed and dispersed, and so Judah wound up giving its name to the religion.)

[Michael from Lakewood]

Posted by: Rueven Aharon | December 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

You are a good writer. I enjoy reading when you post; often I pick something up I didn't know. Here on FM there is so much coverage of the ultra-Orthodox. Have you run across the ultra-Reform? I only found out about them recently, and when I did my heart welled in my chest.

[Eli, what me messiah?]

"Talmud Torah with Shmarya and Rueven"

Would make a great Sunday radio show to follow the Car Guys!

Rueven, fun posts. Thanks for taking the time.

[Rueven Aharon]

Thanks, Eli. And you're welcome! :-)