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December 10, 2012

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Steven

The only way to stop this (often cyclical) abuse is to stop covering this up, Rabbonim to wholeheartedly rule that the police must be contacted, and not to privately say it is ossur, and by victims contacting the police.

Yosef ben Matitya

i don't understand. 'in the jewish community'? or at 'chabad'?
why accuse the whole community, when there is a problem with chabad?

Eugene

@Yosef
I'm afraid this is also happening in the Brooklyn, New York frum community far longer than in Australia. I was frum for six years and the whole time just something didn't feel right and now I find out that I have lived among pedophiles in boro park and kensington. I had gone to the mikva among them, davened in a minyan with them, learned Torah with them and it's sickening that the Torah has been taught out of the mouths of clever child molesters and now as the closet door is opening up some pretty scary well known Rabbinical monsters and community leaders will be exposed.

Eugene

Excuse me I forgot the pedophiles in Flatbush and my very own Russian-Jewish community.

S M L

Whether in New York or in Australia, better to say 'the orthodox Jewish community' or the "ultra-orthodox', whichever fits better. It doesn't involve Jewry as a whole. There are many more Jews of other streams than there are Haredim and their ilk. What is of some concern is that while those of us on this blog know that's true and that the filth is confined to this subset of the Jewish whole, to the haters and the primitives out there a Jew is a Jew is a Jew and this will just serve as ammunition for them.

Eugene

@SML
I agree with you a hundred percent and it should also be mentioned that besides Chabad, the Litvish/Yeshivish or Misnagdim communities are also heavily involved in kiruv (outreach) to the secular or unaffiliated Jewish communities worldwide.

Protecting the Molester

Why did the holy Rabbi of the Adass community publicly say that no one is allowed to speak against Child Molester Malka Leifer as it is Loshon Hora!
What chance to the victims get?

Double Helix

The Parliamentary Inquiry is a great forum, it allows you to put forward any claim, suggestion or thought without having its veracity tested. The Waks’, and that’s plural, because ZW surely colluded on this submission, have been able to conjure up images and allegations that are fictitious. Here they have gone out of the personal realm and gaining support for Manny’s alleged abuse to a new level where they speak on a universal stage, able to say what they like as long as it does harm to a community and or school that was relied on but has now outlived its usefulness to them.
I wonder if Manny has suppressed the memories of the abuse he allegedly suffered in the family home, physical, emotional, verbal and psychological abuse that the family and kids allegedly suffered.
Word is out that someone besides Avi Yemini , who changed his name from Waks out of shame & disgust, might be about to tell all.
The big question is. What did Zephania have to submit to the inquiry? This was his big chance to go on the record and tell it as it is. Without fear of being accused of running to the press and being misrepresented.
Should make interesting reading for those with good memories. Will someone publish this important contribution to the cause of protecting children from all abuse.

Steven

Attack the victim. BS.

Emanuel Newgant

Double Helix, it really is interesting what the ZW submission was. It still hasn’t been released, so it may be quite serious. Anyway, I’ve made some enquiries. It’s only a rumour at this stage, but it seems ZW may have given evidence that Emmanuel Althaus, a well-known Yeshivah Centre trouble-maker, molested a daughter of his years ago. After she got married and had a few kids, the son-in-law found out, and this played a part in the divorce. EA then tried to destroy the ex-son-in-law because he knew too much, and EA wanted to make sure he would never talk.

Emanuel Newgant

Actually, it’s likely the evidence also included something else. There are some younger members of Yeshivah Centre who are in the know, and they think the reason that Emmanuel Althaus and some of the older members are so strongly trying to cover everything up is that there was some sort of pedophile network back in the old days, and they are protecting important people in YC or each other. It is well-known that a certain pedo teacher was active round 50 years ago in YC, before he was shipped off.

Eugene

@Emanuel Newgan
I am also concerned that there may be many Rabbinical pedophile networks in Brooklyn involving some big figures.

Eugene

Is by any chance F.R.E.E involved in the cover up? FREE subsidizes yeshivas and Gan Israel camps in Brooklyn to the Russian secular Jews.

Steven

Eugene, you have been watching far too many spy movies. Chill.

Eugene

Steven, these day you never know.

Joshmo

Does anyone in the community not feel even slightly curious as to why Manny waks and his father are trying to take down the organisation who educated their FOR FREE, took them to summer and winter camps FOR FREE and babysat them after school. (they were in the chabad youth office games room everyday or using yeshiva basketball courts as their back garden)
They cry poor and don't pay school fees or camp fees.

The Waks family has 17 or so kids, and neglected them so they were "hefker" to run around making chaos after school, during Shabbat prayers and on Shabbat afternoon between evening payers. Anyone who was in school with them can confirm this. how many fires did they light on school property. how many fights did they start. If their parents actually looked after them they wouldn't have ended up in the mikve with DK. No one else's kids did....
This family makes trouble for the school and youth group yet still enrol their kids there and to the camps and don't pay a cent.
It's not the schools job to parent 17 wild hefker kids. They got more from yeshivah centre than anyone else ever. Show some gratitude and accept responsibility for Zephaniah and his wife neglectful parenting instead of blaming the school.

Emanuel Newgant

Must be quiet in Melbourne. The Yeshivah Centre trolls have started up again. Blame the victims, you scum.

Steven

Joshmo are you saying because a fire was lit it is ok to rape the kid? Does that apply to yor kids too?

wggy

Does anyone in the community not feel even slightly curious as to why Manny waks and his father are trying to take down the organisation who educated their FOR FREE, took them to summer and winter camps FOR FREE and babysat them after school. (they were in the chabad youth office games room everyday or using yeshiva basketball courts as their back garden) They cry poor and don't pay school fees or camp fees.

It is boring trying to belt some sense into f'wits like you but someone has to at least try: Let's look at the FOR FREE business for starters: The money came from willing supporters like myself.It came from the Australian Taxpayer & it came from donors that the Yeshiva shnorrers steal from.Yes that's night STEAL from.Not only do they steal the donors money but they present a disgusting & deceitful pack of lies to the donors about what is what at the YC.That is stealing a persons mind.That is numero uno BAD BAD,the worst kind of stealing.The YC has made an art form out of ripping off the government.The YC doesn't declare the unit cost per student or the unit funding received from the ATO per student.If it did it would probably show the Waks family to be the schools biggest donor because money received from the hapless taxpayer>cost to educate students.So where does that extra money go?Well that's a good question.How is the Kollel funded?Could it be from funds the ATO has only specified are to go to secular education? How are the mesivta boys funded.The ATO specifically does not allow funds for this program.You know,they are the next generation of unemployable scabs with an inbuilt sense of self entitlement. Maybe there is funny business where they are funded by ripping off the ATO. Why don't the YC produce audited accounts to the donors.You know the saying "do the right thing & be seen to be doing the right thing"

The YC NEEDS families like the Waks' to WASH THEIR OWN PROGENY THROUGH THE SYSTEM.When the shnorrers go shnorrering do they tell the suckers that the Groners & the other FOUNDING FATHERS HAVE THE G-D GIVEN RIGHT TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN & GRANDCHILDREN ETC UNTIL THE END OF TIME TO THE YC GRATIS?????? It is absolutely amazing how many smart & wealthy people have been stupid enough to support the YC.That's how it works though.Look at Pinto.He ripped of the smartest & richest.When it comes to con men you can't beat a good Kappota crook.

WHY? Why do you effing think the YC has no accountability? errrrrrrr derrrrrrrrrrr it's because they have got what to hide. How come the YC went from financial ruin about 1990 to flush with money today?They are still flush with money after spending how many millions on buying & building new properties.They have $10million today in liquid cash give or take a few bucks.

The Waks family has 17 or so kids, and neglected them so they were "hefker" to run around making chaos after school, during Shabbat prayers and on Shabbat afternoon between evening payers. Anyone who was in school with them can confirm this. how many fires did they light on school property. how many fights did they start. If their parents actually looked after them they wouldn't have ended up in the mikve with DK. No one else's kids did....

More rubbish/crap/twisted truth & barefaced lies you f'wit. Everything is supposed to be from HASHEM.Well thats what these Lubos reckon.So how come these Lubos are complaining about what is happening?I'll tell you how.Because they don't believe their own BS. Surely the WAKS kids were giving the management a warning when they were lighting fires.You know,a bit like the fat cows & the thin cows.It was a hint of what was to come. But the YC wouldn't take the hint so the place really is heading for a conflagration now. But don't forget,everything is for the good.Only good comes from Hashem.So when the place finally gets its comeuppence don't forget to say "gam zu le tova".

As far as the 17 kids go that's a drop in the ocean compared to the nepotistic managements

This family makes trouble for the school and youth group yet still enrol their kids there and to the camps and don't pay a cent.

TROUBLE??? YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET

JOSHMO YOU ARE AN APOLOGIST SHMOK

THIS WHOLE SAGA IS GOING TO PLAY OUT OVER THE NEXT MONTHS & YEARS & IN THE WORDS OF PAUL KEATING "I'M GOING TO DO YOU SLOWLY"

If Groner was alive today what would he be doing? Well if you have been listening to Telsner & others of his ilk he would NOT BE FESSING UP. WHAT? Thats right. Telsner said that besmirching Groners reputation was the worst possible thing. So how the F do you you tell the truth about Kramer/Cyprys & the other 6 or so that have not yet been nailed?If you tell the truth you MUST BESMIRCH GRONERS REPUTATION. Clearly Telsner has a low opinion of Groner.Thats right.Telsner is saying if Groner were here he would not be fessing up.He is saying Groner is up there(or down there some say)& Groner is telling Telsner to HUSH IT UP. Great stuff.

Emanuel Newgant

I haven't been posting for while, been sick. I am now informed that Emmanuel Althaus is wandering around Yeshivah Centre Melbourne claiming that I am Zephaniah Waks, apparently showing "proof" on bits of paper to some, and sending emails to others. I hear the post at http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/12/parliamentary-inquiry-told-child-sex-abuse-coverups-endemic-in-the-jewish-community-234.html starting with Double Helix December 11, 2012 at 12:17 AM is what made him lose it. He sent out threatening emails to Cooke and Waks, which were given to the police, who I hear now have quite a file on YC "leaders". The rumour is, he likes to dish it out, but like all bullies, can't take it too well himself and now, a lot of people seem to buy in to the original rumour, helped along by his actions which some think smell of "Methinks he doth protest too much".

Stuart Baanstra

I like to know how religious leaders, given the allegations of endemic child sexual abuse, have the moral authority to say homosexuality is an abomination?

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