IDF Says It Might Allow Haredim To Get Induction Physical From Private Doctors To Avoid Testicles Issue

The Vizhnitzer Rebbe is upset over stories that yeshiva students have been forced to undergo the standard medical exams given to all male inductees. Those exams include a testicles check, and the doctors carrying out the exams can sometimes be females. When haredi leaders first approached the IDF with complaints about female doctors several weeks ago, the IDF pledged to immediately ensure that all the doctors examining the haredi inductees would be males, but this did not satisfy haredi leaders, who seemed upset by the idea of testicle checks no matter who carried them out.

The Vizhnitzer Rebbe

IDF Says It Might Allow Haredim To Get Induction Physical From Private Doctors To Avoid Testicles Issue
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Last week the Vizhnitzer Rebbe Rabbi Yisroel Hagar told his yeshiva students not to report to IDF induction centers if called for the military draft. He told the yeshiva students to tell the IDF that they are listening to their rebbe, and dared police to come and arrest him, saying that he wasn’t afraid and would go to prison with “tambourines and dancing.”

Hagar is upset over stories that yeshiva students have been forced to undergo the standard medical exams given to all male inductees. Those exams include a testicles check, and the doctors carrying out the exams can sometimes be females.

When haredi leaders first approached the IDF with complaints about female doctors several weeks ago, the IDF pledged to immediately ensure that all the doctors examining the haredi inductees would be males, but this did not satisfy haredi leaders, who seemed upset by the idea of testicle checks no matter who carried them out.

Israel’s haredi “Deputy” Health Minister Ya’akov Litzman (there is no actual Health Minister, the title of Deputy Health Minister is a legal fiction that allows Litzman to avoid voting on security issues in cabinet meetings) reportedly met recently with Hagar to update him on meetings Litzman held on the issue with Defense Ministry officials.

Litzman reportedly told Hagar that IDF officials are looking into making changes in the process of inducting haredi yeshiva students to accommodate haredi leaders’ demands. One option would be to allow each haredi inductee to be examined by his own private civilian physician in the physician’s own office, rather than in the induction center.

This option would cost the IDF significantly more money than a normal in-house physical. No wordyet on whether or not testicles will still be checked for cancer, hernias and other problems.

Litzman told Hagar that he will not settle for verbal assurances from Defense Ministry officials and the IDF. Instead, he is demanding that the details of the new arrangements are put in writing. Hagar allegedly responded that he and other leading haredi rabbis won’t accept anything less than an agreement that includes the signature of the chief of the IDF Personnel Branch Major-General Orna Barvibai.

After meeting with Litzman, Hagar met with Ashkenazi non-hasidic haredi leader Rabbi Aharon Leib Shteinman.

Shteinman is quoted by leaders of his political faction as ruling that yeshiva students should report to induction centers as always, but they are not to sign any documents given them by the IDF. Instead, they are to go to special centers opened by the umbrella organization of haredi yeshivas and fill out special documents that declare that their full time occupation is Torah study and that they refuse to serve in the military.

Hagar’s students would normally follow the same process as Shteinman’s if the issue of reaction to the testicle checks and female doctors had not come between them.

Comments

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

With the frumma, there is always a 'Testicles Issue'.

[maven]

They don't seem to have a problem with "testicle checks" in the mikveh

[jancsibacsi]

maven--And they dont seem to have problems sucking it by a brit,it looks like they choose and pick what they like or dont like,noryme or reason to their madness.

[Yochanan Lavie]

If a small quiz is called a "quizzical" what do you call a small test? (humor)

[Devorah]

I assume they never check themselves for lumps or anything related to testicular cancer?

[dh]

Only in the mikvah and only other people's children and only when no one else is watching.

[David]

This is another reason why the frumma should not be in the military (but should be made to do other work that is much harder, more unpleasant and of much longer duration than military service would be).

If the frumma can't be touched by a female medical doctor then if they were injured in combat they couldn't be treated if there are no male doctors. Any military has to be able to treat its wounded so as usual the frumma would be to disruptive to the proper functioning of the military.

[Garnel Ironheart]

> , but this did not satisfy haredi leaders, who seemed upset by the idea of testicle checks no matter who carried them out

Right, because only yeshiva rebbeim are authorized and only when there are reglayim l'davar.

[ah-pee-chorus]

maybe they should all just cut off their own testicles to avoid the problem. if hashem wants them to have kids he'll find a way. he did it for jesus' mom.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Enlisting in Tzahal
Our junk must be displayed
The doctor feels us low
He's "private," we must pay
Balls on Bob's tail swing
Due to rabbi's might
What fun it is to check our thing
Like mikvah, it's delight!

Oy, jangle balls, jangle balls
Jangle all, oy vey!
Oy, what fun it is to slide
Doc's hand down all the way
Jangle balls, jangle balls
Jangle all the way
Oy, what fun it is to slide
Doc's hand down all the way

[ah-pee-chorus]

YL-

LOL.

[ruthie]

on a serious note, it is important to feel for any lumps etc.
i know a few guys who went through testicular cancer...scared the heck out of them.
quite serious. understatement.

[Seymour]

Screw them only agree to. male doctors

If not I am sure they wil comee. Up with another
Excuse

[Yochanan Lavie]

Thanks, APC.

[Bench Kvetcher]

If she is cute then why do they have s problem with some gentle yambag action? It will be the best action they'll get in this lifetime.

[Atheodox Jew]

Hagar is upset over stories that yeshiva students have been forced to undergo the standard medical exams

And now that the IDF has found a "workaround" for this problem, I'm sure that the Rebbe will now give his full blessing for drafting yeshiva students...

(cue "cricket" sound)

[jancsibacsi]

david-Dont you get it? the rebbes think that sex competes with them sex is even more powerful then hassidism they know that and that is their greatest fear,once sex opens up their eyes there is no turning back:).

[Eli, what me messiah?]

Maybe the real problem is also why they won't serve in the IDF:

they have no balls.

[Wigmore]

What do these morons do when they need to see a urologist?

[S M L]

"..Maybe the real problem is also why they won't serve in the IDF:
they have no balls..."

Lot of mamzerim then in those communities, huh? I doubt they grow a pair after marrying...

YL: see if you can finish this; I'm no good at lyrics:

[to the tune of the Colonel Bogey march]

Der rebbe had only on big ball
Der bocher had two but very small...

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQSk0CYPvwE

[SkepticalYid]

I hope they hire female doctors. It would serve them right.

[Office of the Chief Rabbi]

I am reminded of the scene in the movie Alice's Restaurant that takes place in the Armed Forces Induction Center in NYC: "Turn your hat and cough."

D"A:
If they want to use their own doctors it should be at their own expense. This is similar to the eye test protocol for driver license renewal in NY State: You go to DMV, you read their sign for free. You want to do it all on-line, get your own doctor to fill out a form which you send in.

D"A:
For about 5 years I had a female internist. Loved those physicals!

[notalubab]

The zioinsts insisted that the chareidim be conscripted into the army, breaking a 65 year old agreement, yet when hundreds of chareidim showed up last month to be inducted, the IDF deliberately had female doctors do the full medical on these guys.
You can’t have it both ways, you can’t insist that the chareidim participate and then make it religiously impossible for them to do so. This is reminiscent of the cantonist era 200 years ago.

[S M L]

WSC:

LOL

[Yogev]

I was a soldier in the IDF some years back. The exam the haridim are speaking of was carried out by medical techs.. We all lined up and dropped our pants. It took a couple of minutes. It is done to screen for genital lice and is necessary for public health. The techs were all men. All armies are not far from the norms of the civilian population from where they draw their recruits. I doubt that woman techs are used to examine men. Orthodox men have served in the IDF, undergoing this and other medican examinations without complaint. The rabbis are making trouble for trouble's sake.

[danny]

Der rebbe had only one big ball
Der bocher had two but very small
Der shochet kept em in his pocket
but Shiksa MD had no balls at all

[Yochanan Lavie]

The idiot trolls refer to the "Zionists." The Israeli army protects Jews from those who wish to kill them, enforces kashrut, and has an Orthodox rabbinate. (The cahreidim want to rely on miracles, something chazal tell us not to do.) A far cry from the Czarist army in every way.

[rebeljew]

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[Yosef ben Matitya]

i take it there would be a handful of haredi rabbis in israel that would grant exemption of service against a bribe. (testicles or not) everybody would then be happy. the hareidim will not serve, the doctor gets wealthier, and the government gets freed of the dispute.

[Yosef ben Matitya]

oops, I meant doctors, not rabbis!
i take it there would be a handful of haredi doctors in israel that would grant exemption of service against a bribe. (testicles or not) everybody would then be happy. the hareidim will not serve, the doctor gets wealthier, and the government gets freed of the dispute.