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December 10, 2012

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dh

Marketing isn't my strong point. I'll do it now. thnx

Abracadabra

DH - Do you think it would be a good idea to put this comment on a current page where it doesn't end up on Page 2?

dh

Okay, Anti-Schmerl. But when you do have fifteen cents, put it towards charm school.

jancsibacsi

The Anti-Schmerl -VEr geharget te alat behieme vus di bist go get killed.

The Anti-Schmerl

I would donate the fifteen cents that this site is worth to me as cheap entertainment, but PayPal probably does not process that amount without charging Shmarya more than that.


Shmarya did no more than VosIzNeias did - he regurgitated reports. VIN is a useful service that attracts advertisers. Failed is a failure that attracts failures like jancsiszar and occasional "zoo-goers" like myself. The failures can't afford to pay for anything advertised here, and my crowd would never buy anything advertised here.

So that leaves Shmarya with hmmm...a shtickel yerusha from Leon Gleckman, or perhaps something from his late parents ...or maybe just good old welfare, food stamps and SSI...doesn't matter to me much because even a free-marketer like me understands the need for SSI in cases like this.

jerusalemdiamonds

He should never have been found guilty for such a severe crime with potential sentence in upper 20years area based on only he/she say. There is no way they could have found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt since its all based on he/she say plus the girl had a personal agenda in testifying against him !

I know you guys on this blog think its awesome, "YEY we got another one of them" which to me just proves that a "Chasidic" person in the American legal system is guilty until proven innocent.

Apple Juice

Whats for breakfast today @ Rikers?!

dh

Rikers Island can't spell Rikers correctly.

John Nagle, Silicon Valley, CA

The NYC Corrections database entry has been updated:

WEBERMAN, NECHEMYA
NYSID: 09462575N
...
Incarceration: 10-DEC-2012
Book & Case Number: 1131201689
Current Housing Facility: OBCC (Otis Bantum Correctional Center, Rykers Island)
Next Court Date: 09-JAN-2013
...
Bail Status: remanded
Court Name: Brooklyn Superior Court
Charge: 130.75 FB (COURSE SEX CONDUCT-CHILD 1ST B Felony)

dh

Pssst, hey, gather around. So here's the thing, no one donates less to this site than I, so I kinda feel an obligation to prompt the giving spirit...yours, not mine.

How much time do you spend here? Not just commentators but also the huddled masses who don't comment. Multiply the hours by minimum wage. Look over Shmarya's posts here and see if you can determine when, if ever, he sleeps. Pay him. Pay him for the whole year. Pay him often and pay him a lot to make up for me.

Abracadabra

HUGE applause goes to the Victim / Survivor in the Weberman case. What she did was extra-ordinarily brave.

The progress for abuse victims that will come from this case will be due to her bravery.

Satmar, chassidim of all stripes, Yeshivish, and all Chareidim should be thanking the victim in this case. This will help to remove some of the stigma, increase awareness, and give other victims courage to come forward. Victims will see HOW MUCH support they have in the FRUM world, and how many people showed up to court to support the victim.

This girl will go down in history, and she deserves the thanks of all of Orthodox Jewery.

Abracadabra

A round of applause to Shmarya for his extensive coverage of this case. His explanations for those who misunderstood the procedings, his clarifications of facts, and his diligent coverage helped to publicize and inform on this very important case.

Abracadabra

If Yanky Horowitz really did what more than one person here claimed he did, then he can go to jail for that (unless the statute of limitations expired).

It's no wonder he now works for the Agudah (Agudath Israel of America). Seems like the Agudah collects these kinds of people to work in high positions for them.

And it would also be no wonder that he would have worked with the Agudah and the Catholic Church in lobbying NYS lawmakers to vote against the NYS Markey bill. That Markey bill would have either landed him in jail or with personal lawsuits and judgments up the wazoo.

If it's true, then instead of working for MONEY for victims, he should have a job, and then work VOLUNTARILY on his free time on behalf of victims. Not for pay as his day job as he does now.

Mike

Went onto Vos iz neias to see the inital reaction. Not surprised to see accusations of anti-semitism (even though the victim is Jewish herself). Everyone talking about lack of evidence, innocent until proven guilty, and the positive qualities of the Hasidic community are really just shifting the focus here. The fact of the matter is is that their twisted rebbeim create an atmosphere designed to repress the weak and helpless and it's time for it to stop. Hope other people who were abused are able to come forth and fight for justice against all the intimidation their "heilige rebbeim" propogate as this girl did. This trial is hopefully a big step towards that.

R. Wisler

Edge,
Violations of the halachas of yichud had nothing whatsoever to do with it and Adonai, Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh, Hashem (or whatever moronic, idiotic, and ignorant way that you referred to our God to avoid saying His name) did not "send" this to us as a warning about obedience to the halachas of yichud. What God is telling us is that pedophilia is evil and that God put the din of justice for this crime in the courts of Yefes in order to exact Divine punishment upon the creep (and his filthy cabal, the hareidim) who engaged in it.

So quit with your neurotic "frum" bullshit. Your arrogant self-righteousness in your made-up religion is grotesque.

Edge

I seriously don't understand how this could be. Guilty or not, to put someone in jail for this long, from one witness' testimony, should put the fear of Gcd in all of us. For those who are so happy that victims right have been protected, don't take any solace. There's a new class of victims form this type of prosecution.

Perhaps this is H" wake up call for all of us who have put ourselves in position if Yichud when we shouldn't have been. I haven't read the Gemara on the seriousness of violating laws of Yichud, but I guess here you have it.

May we only know and experience the Truth.

dh

The Anti-Scthmerl hath thpoken! Athemble the idioths!

dh

thnx, jancs

jancsibacsi

Anti-Schmerl--You are one gigantic idiot,and also you a mindless moron.

jancsibacsi

dh--You people have the most intellectually inefficient and vulgar thought process, underdeveloped and bereft of human attribute.
Perfect description of their thought processes
you were able you verbalize my inner thoughts youre fantastic dh.

The Anti-Schmerl

Justice was served, and I hope Weberman gets even more justice in the prison showers.

Reb Yankel Horowitz is not in it for the money. Reading what I read above makes it clear to me that when he was younger and a head counselor in Pupa camp, he did what he was told. Now that he is older and wiser, he knows he was told to do the wrong thing, and he is doing his best to make sure others in his situation do the right thing.

As for Shmarya the news aggregator, he exposed no one and did nothing. He just used a bad situation to bash all and sundry.

Credit goes to DA Hynes, and it is too bad he did not do this in other cases earlier. It does not make up for Kolko or Mondrowitz.

As for Reb Yoilish ZYA (Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum), while I do not follow in his ways, it is well known that he helped not only survivors, but anyone who came his way - even if they disagreed with every word he said. He was a complex personality, and I never merited to see him, so I really can't say much about him.

dh

Yanky Horowitz is known to have suppressed this information, but he decided to represent victims as a form of tshuvah. Kudos to him for admitting his mistakes

Posted by: Doniel | December 10, 2012 at 05:40 PM

Are you serious?! Kudos?! He's making money off it. He's a pig and an animal but we should applaud because he is now exploiting it for money?

You people have the most intellectually inefficient and vulgar thought process, underdeveloped and bereft of human attribute.

Just the Facts

To all those who are claiming that an Orthodox Jew cannot get a fair trial in the USA, that the Jury was anti-sematic or influenced by an anti-sematic media, or that there was no evidence.

Let’s put the shoe on the other foot.

If you were sitting on a Jury of where a non-Jew who was an "Unlicensed Therapist" was accused by a minor of sexually abusing her and during the trial you heard:

1. The parents were forced to use this specific “Unlicensed Therapist” because of information/power that he had over them
2. That the “Unlicensed Therapist” demanded payment for a years’ worth of therapy upfront or else
3. The "Unlicensed Therapist" had the therapy sessions with the minor in a private apartment with no staff for a period of three years
4. The doors to the apartment were always locked with three locks during therapy
5. The bedroom door to the room where the therapy took place was also always kept locked with two locks during therapy
6. There was a bed and mirror in the therapy room
7. The “Unlicensed Therapist” took the minor on an all day trip with no other adults around
8. After this trip, the parents confronted the “Unlicensed Therapist” and accused him of not being a professional for taking their daughter on an all day trip with no one else around, and because of the power that he had over them, he made them write him an apology letter for having the audacity of accusing him
9. That the “Unlicensed Therapist” had a Charity organization and that Charity funds were used to purchase “Lingerie” in multiple Lingerie shops
10. That Charity funds were used by the “Unlicensed Therapist” to pay for his personal expenses
11. That he had run away girls who were also minors, live in his Office (apartment where he met clients) and they had no interaction with his family or were part of his family life
12. That the minor moved to a new city and started seeing a new therapist. The new Therapist diagnosed her with Post Traumatic Stress/Depression and through the process of therapy uncovered the sexual abuse. She then reported the abuse to the Police.
13. The accuser being grilled by his defense team for over 14 hours over multiple days and she never wavered from her story or was caught with any major inconsistencies

I am sure almost all of you, would of voted to convict.

mikvah should be abolished

@ Adam Hasheni,
thank g-d for the secular courts . it is thanks to the secular court that this scumbag was nailed . otherwise, he would have kept going and be free to continue .

the bet din would have covered him up .

no jew can trust a rabbinical court .

this girl is a tough girl . G-d bless her ,
bc she spared other girls to be sexually abused by this animal .

64 counts . i hope he will get big jail term .
the worst punishment for those satmats is not jail , but not being among ppl of their own kind . being separated from
their own ppl is worse than it is for a secular person . this weberman is gonna suffer real good .

i can't wait for the sentencing .

A. Nuran

Reuven, try reading what he wrote. A rapist with a black hat must be guilty because a nigra was found not guilty decades ago and another one filed a false report even longer ago.

Abu Jihad Schneerson

Deremes,you are a sick,pathetic,filthy,disgusting liar(unless you are so obtuse as to actually believe the load of bullshit you say) and a shanda for all Jews!
Pleae,consider converting to ANY other religion as I don't want to be deported to some death camp or even have to wear a Yellow star on my coat because of a schvantz like you one day!

dh

...from sea to shining sea...God bless the American justice system!

And God bless Shmarya. What a hero you are.

Isa

Shmarya

You need a 'Hall of Shame' as a link on this site.
All those that you 'feature' and get convicted a pictur eof their head goes up on the 'Hall of Shame'

Marc

Jews are safe from anti-Semites on this one. Trust me.

Posted by: JessicaR | December 10, 2012 at 05:29 PM

Just like the "assimilated" German Jews thought during WWII

R. Wisler

May Shmarya continue his God-pleasing and courageous activities in exposing the evil in Israel.

May the evil soon be expunged from Israel and may the wicked apologists (such as Deremes), liars (such as Deremes), and fools (such as Deremes) soon swallow their evil and accursed pride and acknowledge the truth!

yehudis

They should take a closer look at their upbringing. They are separated from the opposite sex until they get married. They marry someone that they spent all of a few minutes with. They get married at a young age whether they are ready or not. Once they get married they are pressured to start having children. They have too many children and alot of them don't get the attention that they need. So, I guess this is the outcome.

jancsibacsi

Hassidism equals the retardation of humanit-ies progress in science and all the other important progress that comes out of math and sciences,the only way the rebbes can make a living is to dupe the masses, other jews are not included only hassidism

BaltimoreYid

I hope he's repeatedly anally raped in prison.

Bas Melech

Deremes-

According to the frume way of thinking, you don't put yourself in a position that others may think you are doing something unseemly. Also according to the frum way of thinking, may he is being punished for not adhering to the precautions against suspicion.

As for the jury, I do believe a chasid can get justice. Most goyim and seculars regard chasidim as curiosities, like lhavdil the Amish. Those who prejudge a chasid, it is because they or some one they know had a bad experience with religious people.

If the jury was stacked against NW, it is the defense attorney's fault for allowing so many prejudicial individuals to sit on it.

It is true that the average American can't understand the Satmar lifestyle. Neither can many charedi Jews. I strongly doubt that the beard and payos or the unusual clothes clouded the jury's judgement. Face it, both the girl's and NW's testimonies convinced them of guilt.

Then again, maybe you don't believe the girl, because she is a female.

Doniel

Yanky Horowitz is known to have suppressed this information, but he decided to represent victims as a form of tshuvah. Kudos to him for admitting his mistakes

JessicaR

I was wondering if one of the Satmars who post here would explain why the Satmars regard Joel Teitelbaum so highly. Was he a brilliant talmudic scholar? Was he especially compassionate or charismatic? Was he especially helpful to Holocaust surviviors?

What was it about him that makes you want to follow his very strict rules like women shaving their heads after marriage, metzitzah be pei, and the strict interpretations of kashrus that make it difficult for poorer families to afford adequate food?

Thanks.

Korben Dallas

...said the joker to the thief

JessicaR


the 'bonus' the bastards of satmar with their reprehensible behaviour leave us with, are the members of the jury and the court turning to antisemites.

Posted by: Yosef ben Matitya | December 10, 2012 at 02:44 PM


Don't worry, Yosef. The overwhelming majority of non-Jews have enough sense to understand:

1. That sexual abuse occurs in all communities. In fact, sexual abuse is so common that I will guess at least 25% of the jury has experienced it, especially the women. No doubt their abusers came from all religious backgrounds.

2. That the Chareidim are far outside the mainstream of Judaism.

Jews are safe from anti-Semites on this one. Trust me.

Rueven Aharon

I love it. Deremes and the rest are reduced to
"He's innocent because... because... because...because NIGGERS!!!!!"

I didn't see any slurring of black people from Deremes. He seemed to be pointing out that the idiot who molested a girl wasn't following some other Hasidic norms as well - so what do black people have to do with this?

A. Nuran

And of course "We can never let a Jew face justice. If we don the antisemites will think we're all criminals who protect the guilty from the Law."

Deremes, do you realize just how bad you are for Jews?

a

cut and pasted from comments from NYPost
JARED_AURBACH16 minutes ago
In the spirit of coming forward! Here's my story!

I'm a 33 year old ex hassid, I haven't been back to NY and my family for over 10 years now. The Wbberman case really intrigued me and I hope he will rot in prison really soon.

When I was 10 years old, I was sent to a summer camp where Rabbi Horowitz served as the head counselor. I had a pretty good time, until one day I stayed in my room instead of going to the pool, one of my counselors came into my room, long story short, he started fondling me but it ended there and I promised him not to tell anyone and he promised it won't happen again, unless I liked it.
A few hours later, while I was still all confused about what happened, didn't know if I should call my parents, talk to another counselor, my Rabbi or anyone else. But I took the courage and went to my head counselor Rabbi Y Horowitz.
I told him my story, and he told me these words "Mach dir nisht meshiga es iz goor nisht geshehn" and later went on to tell me "Ich vil nisht heren derfin nuch a mool". He warned me not to talk to anyone in the world about this!

I didn't, I didn't have the courage again to talk to anyone about it! But that counselor, came back three days later and went on to rape me, I was forced to go meet him in the woods, where he would rape me for an hour, nonstop, about three times a week.

YANKY I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO CALL YOURSELF A VICTIMS ADVOCATE!

I know that I can't arrest you, nor can I do you any harm. But I know this, doesn't matter if this comment will be allowed on your site, my story and the story of at least three others, (including a hasidic father of nine) will be very well documented and known to all in the next few months.

I don't have the courage and power, yet, to have kids of my own, but for those of you who are lucky enough to have a family, KEEP YOUR KIDS SAFE!

A. Nuran

I love it. Deremes and the rest are reduced to
"He's innocent because... because... because...because NIGGERS!!!!!"

Grow the fuck up if you want to sit at the adults' table

Mike Kats

Dremer, you may be right (although I don’t know any Jew who is in jail while being innocent). You also maybe wrong, because there are frum child molesters (like in all other communities). We defiantly need to change and establish a zero tolerance for does people, and have more trust in the system.
If we will automatically defend all molester’s (because we are not sure of their guilt) then innocent people will go to jail C”V (like the story with the peasant who yelled wolf wolf).

Isa

YYYYES!!!

In Texas of old the jury would then rush to a store to pick out the rope

SWING IN THE WIND YOU BASTARD!!

Rueven Aharon

A woman who alleges that she was sexually abused by her older brother during her childhood has told a jury that she started going to the toilet in a friend’s back garden to avoid her sibling.

yada yada yada

One could come up with numerous stories, yentas and sexual desires being what they are. However, some of the sexual offenders happen to be in high positions supposedly guarding against the very acts that they are engaged in. That is the problem we're talking about here.

Rueven Aharon

Have you ever noticed how the guardians of sexual morality are often its biggest violators?

"often"

Apparently, Simon missed that little word when he rebutted with a "Not true".

seymour

words soon to be heard from most satmar robots:

anti-semites
nazi
galus
slut
whore

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | December 10, 2012 at 01:51 PM

is was punishment for us not speaking up enough against the evil Zionist

Deremes

Posted by: Bas Melech | December 10, 2012 at 03:49 PM

""My question to you: With all the talk of separation between male and female, why did NW counsel girls? not to mention behind close doors. The very reason men shouldn't counsel girls or women is to prevent accusations of improper behavior.

Also, why did NW drive her to Monsey? Charedi men generally don't take a woman passenger alone in the car.

Please answer these questions for the readers of FM.""

Answer is:

All of them were wrong to do.Your point?

Again,its a he said she said.The jury was told that he comes from a weird sect like cult. An average American cant understand the lifestyle. He has a beard and peyos therefore he belongs in jail.I doubt that you think that a jury looks favorably on a Hasidic Jew.

Simon

Have you ever noticed how the guardians of sexual morality are often its biggest violators?

Posted by: Rueven Aharon | December 10, 2012 at 02:56 PM

Not true, go to Google News and you will find other goodies like this tidbit:

Woman accuses brother of sexual abuse during childhood

Monday, December 10, 2012 - 05:47 PM

A woman who alleges that she was sexually abused by her older brother during her childhood has told a jury that she started going to the toilet in a friend’s back garden to avoid her sibling.

The woman claims she was sexually abused by her eldest brother in their family home on a number of occasions beginning in the summer of 1972 when she was eight years old.

The Central Criminal Court heard that she came up with a number of tactics to avoid her brother, including going to the toilet in a neighbour’s garden and not flushing the toilet in her own house.

The 49-year-old woman said that on one occasion when she had flushed the toilet, her brother was waiting outside the bathroom for her.

The accused man has pleaded not guilty to three counts of indecent assault and two counts of unlawful carnal knowledge on dates unknown between June 1972 and August 1976.

Michael Durack SC, prosecuting, told the jury that the charges were listed in outdated terminology because it was an old case, and explained that indecent assault is technically sexual assault, while unlawful carnal knowledge should be treated as rape.

Speaking about the first incident, the woman told Mr Durack that she was playing in the back garden when her brother - who was aged 15 at the time - called her into the house.

“I remember it so vividly, I saw my brother leaning out of the back bedroom window to call me in,” she said.

When she went into the bedroom she saw her brother laying on the bed with his trousers down, and had pink toilet paper wrapped around his private area.

The court heard that she was called over to the bed and forced to perform a sex act on him, before he pulled down her underwear and forced her to perform a different sex act.

Adding: “When it was all over and done with, he said nothing. Absolutely nothing. I pulled my knickers up and went back out to play.”

The court heard the next alleged incident was similar to the first and happened a short time later during the same summer.

The woman said that on the third occasion she was penetrated and became tearful as she recounted the incident. “He forced himself inside of me. I just lay there and thought, please let this be over soon,” she said.

“I never told anyone, I was ashamed. Nobody would have listened to me. I really felt I would be sent away,” she said.

The woman said she stopped using the toilet in the house so that she wouldn’t bump into her brother, and instead used a friend’s back garden until her mother spotted her.

“I got to be really fast on the stairs and I knew if I didn’t flush the toilet, he wouldn’t know I was in there,” she said.

She recounted one incident when her brother was waiting outside the bathroom before taking her to his bedroom and raping her.

The witness said she was relieved when her brother got a girlfriend, because she thought he would stop abusing her.

“I remember thinking it’s great he has a girlfriend. Now he doesn’t need me anymore. He’ll leave me alone,” she said. “But I was wrong.”

They are sick out there!!!!

Mike Kats

Clothing doesn't make a man, it’s just one of the tactics to keep you in line (like uniform for solders, cops etc) and it helps against assimilation.

Rueven Aharon

This is not what I meant. If the hat and shtrimel are a tactic to keep me, and generations to come, frum - then so be it, I will sacrifice a bit of my individuality and “look” by wearing this stupid hat. (Not to mention, my wife likes me batter in a hat)

How does clothing necessarily make the man? Behavior occurs and misbehavior occurs in spite of clothing, oftentimes, rather than because of it. But if your wife likes it... well, that's important, men should listen to their wives.

Eli, what me messiah?

A huge round of respect for the courageous victim!
That girl's got some guts.

Mike Kats

This is not what I meant. If the hat and shtrimel are a tactic to keep me, and generations to come, frum - then so be it, I will sacrifice a bit of my individuality and “look” by wearing this stupid hat. (Not to mention, my wife likes me batter in a hat).

Rueven Aharon

Bas Malech your right, I hope and believe this was a wake up call and things will change to the batter to establish a more perfect frum society.

Now to bring more individuality to all those penguin suits and identical hats, no?

No_Light

Bas Melech - beautifully put. Brava.

They won't answer though, they're incapable of actual honest dialogue.

Mike Kats

Bas Malech your right, I hope and believe this was a wake up call and things will change to the batter to establish a more perfect frum society

No_Light

Fabulous news. Shmarya - you're a mensch. You are the searchlight beaming, sending the cockroaches scuttling.


Deremes - where's your heter? In the back of a winterised truck, perchance?


Cavorting with apikorsim against the orders of your fuhrer will have you put in cherem.

Like I said earlier, you should be thrown on the bonfire of your own stinking hypocrisy.

I believe we should alt ask Deremes about his heter, if nothing else it shuts him up.


APC - Your clairvoyant abilities (comment at 1:51) are stunning!

flatearth

Maybe he brought her to Monsey cause he really likes the food at Kosher Castle.

Rueven Aharon

The coverup was a great Chillul Hashem and the Kiryasjoeler and Williamsburger Hasidim, both of which are commonly referred to as "Satmar", know it.

Bas Melech

Mike West and Deremes,

You think that a charedi, especially a Satmar, cannot be guilty of sex crimes. This motivates your contention of NW's innocence. If this were the only time you defended a suspected guilty charedi, your arguments in defense of NW might have credibility.

Do you know who knows about abuse in the frum community? Social workers and therapists who work outside of it. On several occasions, they have asked me how I could be a religious Jew, when rabbis and leaders abuse children and spouses. They ask me why the community is silent. Ashamed, I do not know a reply.

The frum community (Satmar included) causes its own shame.

My question to you: With all the talk of separation between male and female, why did NW counsel girls? not to mention behind close doors. The very reason men shouldn't counsel girls or women is to prevent accusations of improper behavior.

Also, why did NW drive her to Monsey? Charedi men generally don't take a woman passenger alone in the car.

Please answer these questions for the readers of FM.

Luke

Holy Makarel:

I would like to see Zev interview Frankenburger and Gestetner together. What great Saturday night entertainment that would be. I mean the combined intellectual caliber of the two of them together would be "numbing." Luke

Mike Kats

Totally agree with RCA.

RCA

The following was just released by the Rabbinical Council of America:

The Rabbinical Council of America (RCA), the world’s largest organization of Orthodox rabbis is encouraged by the process that led to the conviction of Nechemyah Weberman, an Orthodox Jew who acted as an unlicensed counselor and was today found guilty for the sexual molestation of an adolescent girl. For many years the RCA has condemned the efforts of many parts of the Jewish community to cover up or ignore allegations of abuse, viewing these efforts as against Jewish law, illegal, and irresponsible to the welfare of victims and the greater community. The RCA strongly advocates, as a matter of Jewish law, the reporting of reasonable suspicions of child abuse to the civil authorities and full cooperation with the criminal justice system. The RCA decries any invocation of Jewish law or communal interests as tools in silencing victims or witnesses from reporting abuse or from receiving therapeutic and communal support and strongly condemn those members of the Jewish community who used such tactics in this case.

In light of the issues raised in this trial the RCA commits itself to increasing the training of its members who serve in all areas of the rabbinate, including pulpits, education, chaplaincy, and communal service, to know how to recognize, prevent, and respond appropriately to issues of child abuse. In addition, the RCA will help its members develop policies regarding prevention and response to issues of child abuse in their individual congregations and schools, as well as in their larger communities, and, where nonexistent, to support the creation of response teams that include mental health practitioners, law-enforcement personnel, and specially trained rabbis to respond to allegations of abuse and molestation.

Rabbi Shmuel Goldin, president of the RCA, stated, “Weberman’s conviction is validation of our commitment to work with law enforcement to protect the innocent victims of our community and to hold their perpetrators accountable.” Rabbi Mark Dratch, Executive Vice President of the RCA and founder of JSafe: The Jewish Institute Supporting an Abuse Free Environment, added, “We, like other religious communities, have come a long way in recent years in recognizing and addressing issues of child abuse in our communities. We increasingly understand that our religious texts, traditions, and values must serve as resources of strength and support for members of our faith communities, not as roadblocks to their safety and security.”

thelionroars

well it seems that the only victor in this case was truth and george farkas who recieved tens of thousands of dollars for webbermans defense paid for by tzedaka funds

in addition webberman family which is extremely well connected his ucle is a chaplain to many federal agencies is working overtime to have him placed in a cushy enviorment

kudos to SR and NR for great work

holy makarel

Hey zev brenner. Perhaps you want to invite your good froend mr. Frankenburger on your show again this sat. Night go ask him once again what his opionion is on this one satmar individual. Not about satmar as a whole. Because we all know about satmar as a whole. They are just wondeful people whe never do wrong. So let only concentrate on this weberman indivisdual.

Rueven Aharon

Once again, you jump to conclusions without evidence. Both cases were regularly and frequently covered in the media, particularly Weiss. Are there cases where a Hasidic Jew doesn't get a fair trial? Probably. This is a case where a young MO Jewish woman testified against another Jew. The jury could just as easily have directed anti-semitism towards her and exonerated him.

This is a case of awareness of abuses by machers and/or clergy, not of antisemitism per se. This is not to say that it wouldn't inspire antisemitism. I can recall many a joke about Catholic priests emerging from the Catholic sex scandal; however, the Catholics are still a major religion and the Church is still doing okay.

So, yeah, the haters are gonna hate. But we'll overcome the hatred and move on, as we always do. And we'll also overcome the bullies, sexual and otherwise, and move on from that, too.

SkepticalYid

Posted by: Deremes | December 10, 2012 at 03:21 PM

Once again, you jump to conclusions without evidence. Both cases were regularly and frequently covered in the media, particularly Weiss. Are there cases where a Hasidic Jew doesn't get a fair trial? Probably. This is a case where a young MO Jewish woman testified against another Jew. The jury could just as easily have directed anti-semitism towards her and exonerated him.

Rueven Aharon

Remember the Tawana Brawely case? (was blk against wht)
Central park jogger case and many more?

Is it so crazy to think that an all white jury will throw a black man in jail with a blink of an eye?

I wonder if anybody remembered the Rodney King fiasco all the way over on the West Coast, which influenced the trial of O.J. Simpson. An all white jury let white police off the hook for beating up a black suspect, some of the blacks of Los Angeles decided that the time was ripe for a riot, and several strip malls and shopping centers in that city went up in flames, not to mention Korean-owned shops (Koreans being the major business ethnicity in that area at the time). When a jury met on the Simpson trial later, they decided to play it safe and declare him not guilty. A later jury found him liable for the murders he was accused of, though. (And he was also busted for trying to use violence in a dispute over property. He was found guilty of robbery and kidnapping.)

jancsibacsi

Mike Kats --ver gehardet,go and get youreself killed manking would be better of.

Deremes

SkepticalYid-
In the cases you mentioned i doubt the defendants and the community they come from were even closely portrayed in the media on a daily basis as in this case.The "good meaning" people made sure it should be in the news every day.
I got to give it to them they did an excellent job.
Nuchem,you win.
P.Engelman,you win.
Even the frum Rabbi from monsey you win.

Mike Kats

On one hand I trust in the justice system, in the other hand it was just her words vs. his – and she had a motive. Was there more evidence I (we) done know about?

John Nagle, Silicon Valley, CA

The NYC Department of Corrections has the last word:

WEBERMAN, NECHEMYA
NYSID: 09462575N
Year of Birth: 1958
Sex: Male
Race: White
Height: 5 ft 7 inches
Weight: 225 lbs
Hair Color: Grey
Eye Color: Brown
Nativity: New York

Incarceration 10-DEC-2012
Book & Case Number: 1131201689
Current Housing Facility: No Facility Available
Arrest Date: 10-DEC-2012
Arrest Number: COURT.DIRECT

"Current housing facility" will update in the database once he's been transported from the courthouse to the jail on Ryker's Island.

Rueven Aharon

words soon to be heard from most satmar robots:

anti-semites
nazi
galus
slut
whore

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | December 10, 2012 at 01:51 PM

Well, I guess groups in general have their biases.

It's not antisemitic to point out the sexual wrongs of an individual rabbi, any more than it is anti-Catholic to point out the wrongs of a Catholic priest.

Nor is it a "Nazi" thing necessarily. (As I recall it, Nazis were mainly interested in pronouncing Jews racially inferior money-grubbers and pests, and sexuality kinda came second on that list, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

"Galus" - yeah, we're in the USA. Not much of an "exile", if you ask me. During the Talmudic age, mind you, the greatest centers of learning were not in Eretz Yisrael itself, but on the shores of Babylon - the heartland of an empire (the Caliphate) that came to include Israel itself. It is no accident that the primary Talmud is the Talmud Bavli.

"Slut" and "Whore" - Those are put-downs issued by the losing party against the winning party, indicating that they are being sore losers; nobody should take those slurs seriously.

SkepticalYid

Posted by: Deremes | December 10, 2012 at 03:05 PM

Were you in the courtroom for the last week? There may be no DNA but obviously there was enough other evidence to convince a jury. She never filed a police complaint against him. This was reported by a therapist who had reason to believe she was sincere in her statements. There have been other Hasidic Jews (e.g. Yiddi Kolko or Yakov Weiss) who've been charged with molestation and have gotten off with a slap on the wrist. So assuming this verdict is purely anti-semitic is also unfounded.

Deremes

posted by: SkepticalYid | December 10, 2012 at 02:40 PM

Agreed that i have no proof i said that in "my opinion".

Why is it so terrible to believe the jury read newspapers,blogs,tv,radio during the trial and over the weekend? they are only human and not some kind of holy angels who are seeking the truth.Watch yesterdays 60 Minutes and you be shocked how many BLACK people in Chicago are in jail for NOTHING.

You really believe we live in a just society?

Remember the Tawana Brawely case? (was blk against wht)
Central park jogger case and many more?

Is it so crazy to think that an all white jury will throw a black man in jail with a blink of an eye?

Is it so crazy to think that a jury will throw a Hasidic Jew with a Taliban look alike in jail with a blink of an eye?

Maybe he did do all those things,NOBODY besides HE and SHE knows the truth.Its a he said she said with no proof no evidence no witness.


Rueven Aharon

I believe Anne Frank.

She was a normal teenager living in extraordinary times.

So what's the problem with believing other teenage girls?

Atheodox Jew

Victims of abuse in the Orthodox world have scored a BIG victory here.

There should be a bracha to express gratitude for secular courts, for imposing accountability where Orthodoxy has utterly failed, and for upholding "tzedek tzedek tirdof" where Orthodoxy would rather look the other way.

Rueven Aharon

Have you ever noticed how the guardians of sexual morality are often its biggest violators?

...

Boruch shehecheyanu v'kiyemanu v'higeyanu lazman hazeh!

Yosef ben Matitya

the 'bonus' the bastards of satmar with their reprehensible behaviour leave us with, are the members of the jury and the court turning to antisemites.

SkepticalYid

Posted by: Deremes | December 10, 2012 at 01:52 PM

1. You have no proof whatsoever that the Jury was tainted.
2. The jury heard and saw every bit of testimony- all the newspapers did was summarize a small part of the evidence presented to the jury.

But hey, it that's the mythology your community is creating because they still refuse to accept their culpability for persecuting the victims then go for it.

Bas Melech

Should read: When I sat on a jury"

Bas Melech

@Mike Fox-

Obviously you haven't sat on a jury. Good jurors review evidence many times. Each juror voices an opinion. Often what one juror didn't see on his own, he sees after hearing other jurors. It is almost impossible for a single juror to hear all testimony. It is also difficult to link all the evidence.

When I sat on a juror, the first round of voting after the trial favored the defendant. After discussion and review of the actual evidence, the vote changed.

I doubt that the jury was stacked against NW. His lawyer would not allow a majority of jurors against his client to be seated.

Deremes-
The above information is for you too.


A. Nuran

If he'd gotten bail he'd be halfway to Israel by now

flatearth

NY Post says it best:

Perv rabbi convicted after repeatedly forcing himself on girl he was counseling

An ultra-orthodox rabbi was convicted in Brooklyn today of sexually abusing a young girl in his care over three years from the time she was as young as 12.

Jurors found Nechemya Weberman guilty on all 60 counts against him, including the top charge of sexual conduct against a child.

Weberman, who was immediately cuffed after the verdict, faces up to 25 years behind bars on the top count.

Other counts included sexual abuse and child endangerment.

Weberman sat stoically as the guilty verdicts were read out loud.

He was taken into custody, and his defense lawyer didn’t even bother asking for bail pending sentencing.

Sara

Im dittoing Devorah and Luke - Shmarya - thanks for all of your support of survivors!

flatearth

Coverage by the Post, News, CBS, WSJ, NY Times. This gives prosecutors what they need to go after the collateral charges, the fraud and the intimidation. Once others start getting indited, they may start talking to save their own asses.

Awesome.

Bas Melech

Deremes-
Why couldn't the victim believed the victim? Believe it or not, most people make rational decisions. Juries do make decisions based one evidence, not a rabbi's coaching.

FYI that is why some juries render verdicts opposite public opinion. Evidence was presented unknown to the public.

Previously in a reply to me, you stated that you thought he was guilty. Why not rejoice that justice was served.

I have to keep praying for miracles when it comes to your recognition that the truth may not be what Satmar tells you to parrot.

Besides, what is a good chosid like you doing on this and other blogs?

Luke

Elisheva: It also did not help Weberman that four yidden were arrested for trying to bribe (silence) the family with $500K. Luke.

Ziontology

This must be what the Eibishter wanted, right?!

Elisheva

Just a nit-pick, being found "not guilty" doesn't mean they're innocent, it just means that the guilt was not established beyond a reasonable doubt. O.J. and Casey Anthony were found not guilty, after all. But I don't expect the people who don't believe that U.S. law applies to them and that applying it to them is anti-Semitic to grasp the difference.

Weberman was toast when the principal of the school got on the stand and tried to discredit the victim by saying she wore the wrong kind of tights and questioned her religion. Because, apparently, her testimony can't be trusted because she is a NORMAL TEENAGE GIRL.

A. Nuran

Apologize to those whores and kofirs who ruined the reputations of tzaddiks and made chilul hashem?

NEVER!

devorah

"I concur Devorah. Shmarya, may you continue to go from strength to strength. Luke."

Now we need him in East Ramapo to protect our kids against the chasid school board. Let's keep him busy. :)

ah-pee-chorus

When will the Satmar Rebbes, Gestettener, Frankfurter, and all the Weberman croonies apologize to the victim they denigrated, they intimadated, they ostracised, they re-victimised?


Posted by: soso |


great question. never, of course.

A reader

A good day for justice!

flatearth

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/12/10/counselor-found-guilty-in-orthodox-abuse-trial/

soso

When will the Satmar Rebbes, Gestettener, Frankfurter, and all the Weberman croonies apologize to the victim they denigrated, they intimadated, they ostracised, they re-victimised?

SMR

I hope that this empowers other victims of abuse to step forward and hold abusers accountable for their actions.

Reese

Baruch Hashem! Let this be a lesson to Satmars as well as Chabad who defend rapists and registered convicted sex offenders!

Sam Reichman

Very interesting related article aboud also abuse against children by satmar UTA antwerp belgium by Avrum Chaim Friedman and Moshe Friedman (Gabe) against their own grandchildren.
http://forum.chareidim.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1488

כפי שמסתמן מי שעומד מאחורי הפרשה והעסק הביש של התאכזרויות של הפרשה המקוממת והחילול ה׳ הנורא ובתוצאותיו הרות האסון ואפילו בתמיכה כספית נרחבה בהוצאות המשפט והמערכה העקובה מדם הוא לא אחר מהאבא שלו!!!! ושמו הוא אברהם חיים בן פראדל פרידמן ביחד עם אחיו הידוע משה בן פראדל פרידמן שותפו לדבר עבירה.
כפי הידוע משה אריה פרידמן פנה עורף לסטמר כנראה משהו בין 15 ל20 שנה, וכפי שמסתמן בסאטמאר אם יש מישהו שמפנה עורף או הולך דרך עצמאית לחלוטין הסאטמארים לאורך ההיסטורי שלהם הגיבו בשפיכות דמים ואכזריות (ראה פרשת מנדל ווכטר מחב״ד וכו׳). הם עשו אותו דבר בווינה כידוע בווינה הבית ספר היה פרטי ובבעלות הסאטמארים הזאלונים בשותפות כמה בעלי בתים מבעלזא. גם שמה משפחתו עמד מאחורי כל העניין והשתמשו בשימוש ציני של העניין של איראן ונטורי קרתא (מגיע אליי חומר מהפרשה שמה ואולי בהזדמנות אחרת) ובווינה התחרטו שהסאטמארים הוליכו אותם שולל והם שילמו את המחיר לבסוף בלי ההשלכות למשפחתו. מה שזעזע והרעיד במיוחד את מקבלי ההחלטות ושותפי הסוד במוסדות החרדיות באנטוורפן הוא הממצאים המחרידות שהונחו על השולחן לאחרונה שבעצם מדובר כאן בעניין של סחיטה ואיומים בפרשה פלילי ביותר וגם בינלאומי.

להלן הפרשה המסעירה:

בשנת 1994 אז היה משה אריה פרידמן גר באנטוורפן כאיש עסקים קטן ומצליח קנה נדל״ן במליוני דולרים ובין היתר מר׳ לייבוש לפקוביץ ראש הקהל של סאטמאר בוויליאמסבורג על סך של בערך 180000 דולר שממוקם ב31 rossstreet וויליאמסבורג, כשהמנכ״ל שלו דאז אריה לייב גלאנץ היה מעורב בעיסקה. אחיו של הנ״ל מרדכי מנשה גלאנץ מנכ״ל הכוללים של UTA של סאטמאר בוויליאמסבורג, שכר וגר בהדירה מאז עד היום. בשנת 2009 כשמ.א. פרידמן היה בשלב הסופי למכור את הדירה בריווח לא קטן, עורכי דינו נדהמו לגלות בטאבו (acris) שמישהו סילף את חתימתו ואת תעודת זהות שלו (Identityfraud) ומכר הנדל״ן שלו בסכום של כאילו 10 עשרה דולר לחברה פיקטיבי בשם YSH Realty LLC. כתוצאה מ.א. פרידמן פשוט התקשר למחלקת הטאבו של ממשלת ניו יורק ופשוט העביר להם הצילום של תעודות זהות שלו והוכיח שהחתימות הם מזוייפים והגיש תלונה בדרישה להחזיר לו את הנד״ן בטאבו.

כידוע הפרשה התגלגלה והסתעפה בחקירה מסועפת מאוד של הרשויות הפדרליות של ארצות הברית שסיבך מאוד את UTA וסאטמאר, וכידוע המרדכי מנשה גלאנץ וחיו אריה לייב נעצרו ע״י הרשויות הפדרליות ומחכים לפסק בית משפט הפדרלי במנהטן על עונשם של כמה שנים בכלא.

עכשיו אבא שלו אברהם חיים בן פראדל ואחיו משה בן פראדל וUTA דורשים בתוקף מהמוסדות והקהילה החרדית באנטוורפן לקחת את הילדים האומללים כבני ערובה בסחיטות ואיומים מפורשות בדרישה כדלהלן: מ.א. פרידמן שיצהיר בהצהרה שקרית ובתוקף חוקי שהוא כן חתם על החוזה למכור את הנדל״ן שלו בעשרה דולר, ובתמורה מבטיחים לסדר את הילדים. משמעות הדברים שהם רוצים כנקמה לסבך אותו פלילית על דבר שכבר הוכח וידוע לגמרי. כמובן שהעניין יסתעף את החרדים בחקירות פליליות בינלאומיות. מ.א. פרידמן דוחה את כל הרעיון על הסף ובנחרצות.

ראוי לציין שאביו אברהם חיים פרידמן ידוע עם עסקים מפוקפקים ומלבין הון ידוע בברוקלין שבני יורק. ולסיכום הוא גורש מאשתו מלכה שטיינברג והתחתן מחדש עם אשה חדשה ושמה הניה וולטר. שמועות עקשניות מדברות על כך שכל פרשת המחלוקת בסאטמאר בין ר׳ אהרן ור׳ זלמן לייב נובע מכך שר׳ אהרן וסאשא טייטלבוים היו בצדה של האישה שטיינברג כשלצד השני אחיו משה גבאי הברך משה ור׳ זלמן לייב והיו בצדו של אברהם חיים, ובין היתר זרקו את ילדיו של אברהם חיים מהמוסדות של סאטמאר במונרו ובהסכמתו ובדרישתו על העוון שלא באו לשבתות לאביהם אברהם חיים. יודעי דבר יודעים לספר שהפרשה הוא מכוערת מאין כמותו גם בעניינים של קדושה וצניעות אצל אברהם חיים.

עכשיו המוסדות באנטוורפן מחפשים דרך מוצא מהפלונטר שמצאו את עצמם בסכנת קיום של המוסדות ושסיבכו את עצמם עם אנשי סאטמאר מלביני ההון שהשתמשו בשימוש ציני בקשריהם עם אנשי העסקים היהלומים ועומדים בפני החלטה בקרוב לא לשתף פעולה עם הדרישות של הסחיטה והאיומים של סאטמאר והמסובכות ביותר על עניין לא להם. ובמקום לרחקו בכיוון של סאטמאר לקרבו.

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