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December 12, 2012

Audio: Ex-Hasid Talks About Being Sexually Abused And Impact Of The Weberman Case

Luzer Twersky as a childLuzer Twersky, a son of a hasidic rebbe, talks about being sexually abused by a private tutor and the impact he thinks the Weberman case will – and will not – have on Brooklyn's hasidic community.

 

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Just goes to show how hard it is for kids to come forward.

Luzer didn't even put it together that anything was wrong until his parents said something. And for older kids, who have "da'at tov va'ra", on the one hand they have a fear of retribution if they say anything, and on the other they can also have feelings for their abusers. In this case, the guy clearly cared for Luzer and was there to support him.

It's a combo of confusion, guilt and fear that makes it so hard for kids to come forward - and which makes them such easy targets.

Which makes you realize that what the girl did in the Weberman case is extremely courageous.

Tell me child how many did you sexually abuse sinse u clam you were molested

Welcome, Luzer, to WNYC.

leo-You are a perverted sick animal if this is what youre thinking of a hurt child the only thing you can say is how many did he molest himself, you are an evil sick mamzer go get help you lowlife degenerate beast.

One point that I can't understand if true is that I can understand from their point of view why a school or institution would not go to the secular authorities (i.e. the media) if abuse was reported to them but I cannot believe that they will continue to employ that individual or conduct themselves like nothing happened.

You would think that they would either fire him, put him on desk duty with requirement that he go for counseling, or something else but to act like nothing happened? It makes no sense from a business point of view. Don't they know that the person is a ticking time bomb that will cause them major damage in the future? I can't understand the bond that employer and employee have in those institutions. I understand that the bond that exists in many segments of the Jewish spectrum is almost like a close family but this is too far, almost suicidal. They act almost the same way a parent would react if they found out their child did something wrong.

Albert, the Catholic church did the same thing - shipped priests off to other parishes to work with families and children again. What the Catholic church and the ultra-religious Jewish world share is a lack of understanding of the trauma of sexual abuse. This may be rooted in a deeply repressive attitude toward sexuality overall, which exists in both communities.

Albert: very well put

Matty: Kuddus, You diagnosed the problem. Its a lack of understanding of the long term harm (to some, not all victims), and also blind loyalty to a fallow Jewish friend, like Albert said.

Mike Kats - only two types of people are invested in stopping victims from speaking out:

1. People who rape/want to rape children

2 People protecting a friend or relative who rapes children.


Which one are you?

No light: We are having an adult and conversation here; I don’t think you belong at the table.

BTW if you look at my comments here you will see I’m a strong advocate for breaking the wall of silence and for zero tolerance for molester’s

This guy molested many kids when he was in Yeshivah. Hopefully one of them will come out so justice can be served.

Mike Kats-You must confused mixed up i dont beleive you, you were protecting this weberman in past blogs youre someone who wants to eat his cake and have it too, no-light right on.

Jancs: Show me where setup up for NB once. I actually said i trust the justice system and justice was done, but i was also wondering if there is some more evidence that i done know about.

"stood up"

I'm typing in middle of my work, sorry for the error.

Anyway, I don't really know why i'm trying to defend my self to 2 x-frum lunatciks, good mood i guess

Mike Kats -Dont play games with me you are a no good duplicitous shoite,anyone can see that from youre past writing

What's wrong Mike, truth scaring you? You've been decrying the verdict all over this blog, like a typical frumbag putz.

Your disgusting attitude hurts current and part victims of the rapist filth you strive to defend.


Do you think your pathetic crack about not being an adult is hilarious in it's predictability. I've been here for a long time, and it'll take more than a jumped-up little Hassid-drone like you to see me off.


I've also worked with sex offenders (and their enablers), all of whom used your "deny, distract, derail" methods in order to throw questions off. It doesn't work with me, so sorry to spoil your fun.


So - if you're sexually attracted to children, stay away from them and seek real professional help - not from Ohel or Agudah.

If you've already committed a crime against a child - go to the police.

If you know someone who has committed a crime against a child - go the police.


If none of the above apply, then why are you so hell-bent on attacking anyone trying to expose and eliminate this scourge, questioning the validity of the victim's testimony, and complaining about the outcome?


You're brainwashed, just like Deremes. If your degenerate Rebbe said "Jump", you'd ask "How high?".

Correction, an over-typed sentence. Missing words in bold:


Do you think your pathetic crack about not being an adult affects me in any way? It is hilarious in it's predictability.

No light: Show me when i attacked anyone who is trying to expose molesters.

I actually said, the reason that some do protect molesters is because lack of knowledge about the results and blind loyalty.

I am attacking the racist in here who are stereotyping a whole group - thay are not batter then David Duke and Farakan

It is rare that i choose to read sexual obuse blogs. Often there seem to be so little real, thoughtful or holistically well meaning responses given to resolving this magnamous problem.What i see is that there is no empathy nor compassion but for the dog fighting antics disguised as concern.
Get with it, and stop being so short sighted and long winded. See just how easily you growl at each other. It is as if not one of you realize that your struggle is not inalienable and separate from the other. One has to give where the other is a rock. That is the beginning of true learning. It is how we can cause and utltimately effect change.
That severe trauma of Zion's most recent past can and does result in unmentionable pain. But in finding a resolution remember 'even the caretaker needs to be cared for'. True healing is not invasive, it must be holistic.

luzer, were you molested with your red slippers? Or your red towel? I dont think anyone would even want to touch you. if you want attention, climb Mount Everest.....

An emeser yid:

I'm a friend of Luzer's and trust me there are PLENTY of ladies who are more than willing to (consensually) touch him.

There's a difference between seeking attention and speaking out.

One requires courage (of which Luzer has plenty), the other cowardice. With your baseless, tasteless, and rather infantile attacks, we can all clearly see which side you're on.

It's really hard to imagine why anyone would want to actually take the time out to insult, degrade and accuse victims/survivors of sexual abuse, especially on a site like this. Care to explain? @Mike Kats,An emeser

I was born and raised in the Hassidic community and have totally left that world. I am, what you would consider, “Off the Derech”, or to some a “goyita”.

When I decided to leave about 6 years ago, it wasn’t that common (at least for a girl), to leave the community. Today, the amount of women who run away from the Hassidic cult is reaching numbers no-one ever dreamed of, and although those within the cult call us a “nebech”, the fact is the only nebech’s are those that are mentally and physically enslaved by this rotten, mind and life destroying cult.

Many of my friends today where raised in modern homes, the kinda jews my former community would make fun of, in Yiddish they would be described as “zei zennin mamesh goyim” (they are literally gentiles) or “zee geit ungetien vee ah shicksa” (she dresses like a non jewish female), mind you we where commenting on women, that by all standards where dressed more modest than 99.9% of the planet.

But what I found is that girls from modern homes are not all that rebellious, they keep shabbos, they keep kosher (no, they do not panic over how long the rabbis beard was, who gave the hechsher), they date jewish men only. But, I and the others who came from the extreme background, we keep nothing.

The Hassidic cult becomes more and more extreme as time goes by, more rules, more madness and more hypocritical.

It’s a sign how far jews have fallen when you think that you can live in the United States and have something like a vaad, NO vaad is good, NONE, only someone who has been hypnotized by living to long is this Boro Park/Williamsburg world can even suggest, taht a vaad is something that is a good thing.

The problem is you are slow learners, the nasty truth will start showing up more and more, people will associate a hassidc jew with pedophilia, patronizing prostitutes, and grand larceny. You will realize that the more you dictate to others what to do, the more it will backfire.

It is already backfiring, you are losing many many kids, when we leave we go all the way, and guess what, when I walk in a mall and I see a group of chassidishe girls, and I start talking Yiddish their eyes light up, they feel like the “mashiach” arrived, if their mom or some older hassidic dominatrix isn’t around them, they start talking to me, and never do they ask me “why I left” all they say is “I wish I can do the same thing”, many take my number, many end up calling and many end of leaving.

And for those of you who think we are a nebech, and “oh my god, she must have such an emty life” get a grip on reality please. In short it’s called freedom, I celebrate and do things as I wish, I went to school, a normal school, and started my own business.

While, the rest of America made sure to give women equal rights, the hassidic community turns a woman into a slave, a dirty thing, something that is used to make kids and chulent.

The boys who left and went off the derech, almost all that I know of do very well, they are smart, motivated and most importantly happy, only someone in the hassidic cult thinks, that the rest of the world is sad.

A while ago Saturday night (motzai shabbos), myself and several friends where shopping at a mall, two girls walk by, obviously Hassidic girls, and I proceed to tell them “A gitta voch”, they smile and proceed to come over and talk to me.

They were both 21 years old (alte meidlach/old girls by hassidic standards), and I could relate to their pain, the real pain, they do not want to get married yet but the family is pressuring, their parents had no clue they were in the mall, they needed to lie, they wanted to go out to the city, so they asked me if I can go with them, I said yes, the problem is they must be home at a certain time or their mom will call the shomrim, the hatzallah, a rabbi and a kabbalist in Israel.

They said that in a week or so they have a wedding to go to of a classmate; it’s a real chasidishe wedding, so it ends like 3am or later, that night is a great night for them to go to the city.

They call me using a prepaid cell phone (something commonly used by criminals), and I pick them up from the wedding hall about 11o’clock.

They get into the car and they ask if I can make a stop at some office building, I say, hey what’s going on? Well, one of the girls has access to the office and she keeps some pants and shorter skirts there, clothing not allowed in her house. They go in, change, and they emerge as normal looking girls, and not girls from the 1950’s. We had a great time at this beautiful lounge in NYC, they spoke to men while shaking in their boots, worrying if lighting will strike them, but nothing struck them, just reality!

I ended up taking them back to this office, they changed back into the cultish clothing, and I dropped them off to their homes. One already left her family B’H (yes, I just said that), she’s a great girl, she will remain Jewish as she respects and loves, shabbos, and will without a doubt marry a Jew, but she wants nothing to do with this radical Hassidic movement, a movement that started 300 or so years ago, but really radicalized itself the past 100 years. Wait, so Jews until then where not really Jews as god intended them to be?

So what is the point of this whole megilah I just wrote?

Well, it’s designed to serve a few proposes.

a) To educate those who do not understand the mindset, of those who leave the cult, and to reassure you that we are far from nebachs and if anyone is a nebach it’s those within the cult.

b) To tell those considering leaving, that there is real hope out there, there is a life to be had after the pain and differing you endured, some mental pain only, while some physical pain, as some parents still think this is the 1800’s and forgot you will get thrown in jail for hitting a person, you child or someone else’s, (will anyone ever expose the physical abuse still going on in yeshiva’s or is that ok because it’s a rabbi that’s administering the spanking?).

c) To give the yentas something to do, you can now get on your phones, make a three way call so you can have 2 other yentas on the line, then try to review all weddings of the past few months, and narrow down what girls left early, maybe it’s Ruchie, no maybe it’s Sheindy nah it can’t be, no It must be Malkie no but she always reads the Tzena Rena and wears extra thick shtrimp etc.

d) To give the vaad more work, now that they read this story, they can, ban women from going to malls, ban women from having keys to a office, and force people to end weddings early or force girls to bring their mom to all weddings, all the while wondering “I wish she would of posted the name of this lounge she went too, I’d love to hook up with some nice girls”.

Have a Happy Chanukah everyone, the main thing is, be happy, living in misery so someone else is happy, is borderline psychotic.

If you need someone to talk to, email me at nirvanafashion5@yahoo.com (the arm-chair detectives can now start googling the email in an attempt to find out, who this shicksa/vashti is).

@FmrHassidicGirl
Beautifully said and after being a baal teshuva in flatbush/boro park for seven years and going "OTD" I completely agree. The problem with us is we are off "their" derech.

I am also now happy with a wonderful Jewish wife and two beautiful baby daughters. In the Frum world I could barely get a date as a BT who has one non-Jewish grandmother.

Also Luzer Twersky, thank you for sharing your story. It was personally very touching because I had been to all the places you had mentioned (minus the modesty squad) and I am horrified as to what went on in these places. I was in Boro Park with another Rebbi and sect for seven years. At the time I couldn't even imagine such evil things being done to children by those that claim that their existences are about the yidishe mishpucha, kinderim and living according the Torah, that was ofcourse until a friend of mine was accosted by a Bobover Hossid who was a Chazan in my shul and I brought it up and saw a much crueler side of the "frum community."

Seeing that picture of when you were young, wearing that flannel and long peyos reminds me of so many thousands of wondering children of Boro Park and I hope they are safe. I still believe in G-d but not in the Frum/Hareidi community, it's hateful and elitist teachings or the tuma they spread around with secret perversions and immorality.

I have to be honest I want to delete my last comment but Typepad does not allow it. I had just seen Mr. Luzer Twersky's Facebook and other projects like the Nat-Geo documentary about Hasidim and didn't realize that he is actually quite a narcissistic asshole with a blatant disregard for decency.

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