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December 04, 2012

Another British Haredi Rabbi Under Suspicion?

Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congrgations of Great Britain letter re- rabbi investigation 12-4-2012 watermarked"The UOHC’s Honorary officers have been instructed by the Rov Rabbi E Padwa to notify the public that upon the advice of Gedolei Yisroel he is in the process of setting up an independent Beis Din consisting of prominent and renowned Dayonim to thoroughly investigate the allegations affecting one of our Rabbonim. This Beis Din will hear testimony and look at evidence and its final Psak and decision will be adhered to by our Rabbinate. The Rov expresses the wish that no further action nor declaration be made until that Psak is issued."

I can't vouch for the authenticity of this letter. However, if it is true, it appears to show that haredi rabbis are attempting to take the law into their own hands rather than allow police to do their jobs. This type of behavior has had disastrous consequences in the past – as many victims of various forms of abuse can tell you from personal experience.

Union of Orthodox Hebrew Congrgations of Great Britain letter re- rabbi investigation 12-4-2012 watermarked

[Hat Tips: Distressedanglojew, Ben.]

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It's the whitewash attempt by the Kedassia to protect one of their own, the predator from Bridge Lane Golders Green

Another Rabbi? What are you talking about?

It's the same one as you've been talking about (ie copying stuff from other blogs about) for the last 3 weeks.

And then complaining that everyone rips you off. Tosser.

I thought molesting boys was a longstanding British tradition.

It's the same one as you've been talking about (ie copying stuff from other blogs about) for the last 3 weeks.

And then complaining that everyone rips you off. Tosser.

Posted by: Snag | December 04, 2012 at 01:05 PM

Moron.

I have consistently complained that the JC and the Times of Israel have ripped me off and ripped off IfYouTickleUs, a British blogger.

So you lie.

Past that, the letter does not name anyone and it is not clear whether it is referring to one of several rabbis I know about (some of whom you do not know about), or if it it is referring to someone completely "new."

Now go lie somewhere else.

Every time you open your mouth, you show your extensive ignorance of the situation.

Wanna bet $1000 that this letter is about CH?

Cretin.

Shmarya,
Everyone in London knows this letter is about Halpern.

So far, I haven't seen anything on your blog that hadn't first been reported on IfYouTickleUs.blogspot.co.uk.

Even this letter was first posted on the tickle blog.

Why do you continue to claim credit for any information on this Halpern story?

Yes, the Times of Israel should credit the tickle blog. But why should they credit your blog? You yourself get everything from the tickle blog.

I am not trying to take away any credit from you, and there are many other stories in which you definitely deserve the credit. But this is not one of them.

There is even detailed information of what Halpern "allegedly" did, posted on the tickle blog. I still haven't seen that information on your blog (even though I'm sure you "know" the information - you still haven't posted it.)

The blogger "Velvel" over at tickle, has been at the forefront of releasing information on this story.

As usual rabbonim think they know everything. If they want to make a proper investigation to find out the truth they should use those qualified to do it. Those with experience like detectives or barristers.
This story will get better and better. In the end the kedassia will fold.

Of course it's about Halpern. And the style is so UOHC. The words "ostrich" "head" and "sand" spring to mind.

The whole issue will get national coverage soon when Channel 4 broadcasts a documentary about Hareidi sex abuse.

But you do have to understand, Shmarya, that Golders Green is not Williamsburg. It's not even Monsey or Lakewood. Frum people there are middle class, speak proper English, work for a living and live and interact with regular Jews. Look at how Tickle and Velvel write. These are bright people who know what's going on.

The Union are going to haemorrhage members and lose people eating their meat and hechshers over this. They are already a walking corpse in NW London. The fact that they had to go on their knees to LBD dayonim to help them sort things out is oh, so much poetic justice.

The scandal is actually going to moderate many hareidim in Golders Green. There's a whole smorgasbord of frum options there and it may even slowly filter through to Stamford Hill as well, although I wouldn't bet on it.

You have rabbonim all over NW London publicly telling their kehillos exactly what they think of Halpern.

The victims do need police intervention quickly but in all honestly, and that should be a priority but the longer this drags out the worse it is for the Union and the better it is long-term for Orthodox Judaism in the UK.

Halpern's father hareidicised Golders Green from the very mixed area it once was. And his son is systematically killing it.

We're watching a very interesting phenomenon here which could only happen in a community like NW London.

Martin Luther was by no means the first person to criticise the decay and immorality of the Catholic Church but he was able to succeed to create the Reformation because of the invention of the printing press - and the fact that the local German population was better educated than most in Europe at that time. It's the same today with blogs and the internet.

We all think you did wonderful stuff with Postville and some other issues, but you don't understand London hareidim. By all means report on it so that it gets a wider audience and maybe its effect spreads wider than the UK, but there really is no need to pretend you know anymore about this than every frum Baal Habos in London, Manchester, Gateshead and Antwerp.

You treat this the same way you look at the Weberman stuff and the Aussi habadskers - and you are dead wrong. It might take a bit longer than we would both like, but Halpern is not getting away with this and he'll bring down the whole corupt structure with him.

great post, phil

looks like an omerta to me... hush up or we will be very mad at you...

great post phil
but why are people eating kedassia hechscher

but why are people not yelling ast any member of CH shul who stil goes there
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why are there not 500 people by haleprins house on shabbos asking him to resign

in australia they got one kid who filed a report and look at them now
in brooklyn after the fiasco with leibovitz case look how the DA got the message and webberman and yegutin went on trial and in miami and montrea the removed a rosh kolel quietly and he wound up in tora temima under the same cloud as the others


Never seen Shmarya so thoroughly chastised before. And he's gone all quiet. Classic!

BTW why no reporting on the big demonstration in Williamsburg last night? Oh that's right. 6 people turned up! (I was one of them). Shows how effective this blog is. Or how big its readership.

PS: the reference to "other rabbis I happen to know who are also guilty" - what are you in 3rd grade? You're losing it Shm. Get it together!

Never seen Shmarya so thoroughly chastised before. And he's gone all quiet. Classic!

BTW why no reporting on the big demonstration in Williamsburg last night? Oh that's right. 6 people turned up! (I was one of them). Shows how effective this blog is. Or how big its readership.

PS: the reference to "other rabbis I happen to know who are also guilty" - what are you in 3rd grade? You're losing it Shm. Get it together!

Posted by: Ruby Viss | December 05, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Please.

You're a liar and you're a piece of crap.

1. There were at least 50 people at the demo last night according to several reports I saw, with one count as high as 75.

2. I am not "chastised."

3. You misquote me, probably intentionally. I never said "other rabbis I happen to know who are also guilty." What I said, asshole, is the letter does not name anyone and it is not clear whether it is referring to one of several rabbis I know about (some of whom you do not know about), or if it it is referring to someone completely "new" – and that has a completely different meaning than your attempted smear.

4. As for LaC's bullshit, he has many months of documented lies and insane rantings. He's been proven wrong (and proven to be dishonest) by many different people here time after time after time. He isn't a trustworthy source – or any type of source.

5. Now you children carry on with your sandbox games among yourselves, congratulating yourselves at how smart you are. Because I guarantee you, there are very few people alive today who would even tell any of your that you're smart, that you're good, or that you're accomplished – because you aren't.

And, "Ruby," I forgot to add that you were not in the US last night let alone in Brooklyn, and that was very easy for me to confirm.

and that means you lied about the demonstration.

And that, little man, means you just got yourself banned.

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