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December 03, 2012

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Avi

they argue that an informed consent signed by parents is necessary.

Will that really stop the practice or is this yet another legal document that people mindlessly sign like the pressing on the "I Agree" button when one installs software.

Bennyc

If I were jewish, I would consider this practice a horrible embarrassment.

SkepticalYid

Let's take a moment and summarize the trollish posts that are soon to follow:
1. More people die in automobiles than by MBP and no one is banning cars. Therefore MBP in cars is the best way to prevent auto accidents.
2. The Rebbeim say that MBP is safe. Therefore it is safe. If it weren't safe they would ban it, as they are omniscient
3. MBP has been proven to be safe for 5,000 years. It was done at Sinai by a holy column of fire. Even Avraham did MBP to himself after his bris, despite his advanced age. Shimon and Levi also performed MBP on all the men of Shechem when they agreed to be circumcised.
4. The only reason a Mohel won't perform MBP on an adult, for example a convert, is the solemnity of the moment would be ruined if he gagged because of the girth of said makom ervah.

netflix

Charedim dont give a fuck, they do what they want. that is why they need to be forced to stop, this wont change anything.

Eugene

@SkepticalYid
If 5,000 years ago our ancestors were pure enough of mind, body and soul to perform MBD it doesn't mean that our contemporaries are.

jancsibacsi

Bennyc -I am jewish and as you wrote i consider it a horrible horrible embarrassment for the past 50 years when i first saw it as a child i was unerved shaking i could not beleive that our rabbis are so dumb still cant beleive it.

SkepticalYid

Posted by: Eugene | December 03, 2012 at 06:37 PM

Do you realize that it was a satirical post?

Eugene

lol, no. nicely done.

Garnel Ironheart

I can't wait to read Rav Avi Shafran's denouncement of this piece.

Rebitzman

@Bennyc

While I agree with you in this instance, the fact is when it comes to how Jews practice Judaism - you don't get a vote, and a goy publicly expressing that he finds what we do to be embarrassing is perhaps the fastest way to guarantee that we'll keep on doing it.

NeverFrum

I've heard that NAMBLA has come out in favor :p

David

There Charedim need to voluntarily stop this Halachically unnecessary practise before it is done for them.

Runner1983

Those posters who point out that more people die in auto accidents than infants who undergo MBP are making an invalid comparison, and they know it. The fact is that MBP is an unsanitary practice, and in today's day and age, we do not undertake unsanitary practices. I really don't care if MBP has been practiced for thousands of years - it is time to,stop it.

Haredim claim that MPB is mandated by Jewish law. If Jewish law mandated salvery or pologmy, or some other unacceptable practice, would the Haredim still claim those practices should still be continued?

Ronald Goldman, Ph.D.

Studies show that circumcision causes significant pain and trauma, behavioral and neurological changes in infants, potential parental stress from persistent crying (colic) of infants, disrupted bonding between parent and child, and risk of surgical complications. Other consequences of circumcision include loss of a natural, healthy, functioning body part, reduced sexual pleasure, potential psychological problems, and unknown negative effects that have not been studied.

Some circumcised men resent that they are circumcised. Sexual anxieties, reduced emotional expression, low self-esteem, avoidance of intimacy, and depression are also reported. Some doctors refuse to perform circumcisions because of ethical reasons. Relying on presumed authorities (e.g., American Academy of Pediatrics or doctors who echo AAP views) is not sufficient because of personal, religious, financial, and political conflicts of interest.

David

Some circumcised men resent that they are circumcised.

Yes, so much easier to blame their circumcision instead of the real cause of their problems...

Gary Harryman

The current anti-circumcision discourse is part of an enlightenment; a world-wide mainstream movement against a mutilative practice that is a clear violation of human rights. "Circumcision" is vulgar and cruel child molestation and sexual mutilation. It amputates the most sensitive and mobile part of a victim's penis and renders the victim sub-normalized for life. It cannot be tolerated in a modern world and must be stopped. Jews found a way to give up slavery and stoning to death adulterers and those who did not observe the Sabbath. Now they need to find a way to give up infant sexual mutilation. I suggest they lead not follow.

Chief Hole-in-the-Sheet

Dear Gary Goldman and Ronald Harryman,
"It renders the victim sub-normalized for life" and causes "potential psychological problems".
Now I know why Jews have been baking matzahs with the blood of Christian children for the last 2000 years, control all the banks and media in the world, and win a lot of Nobel prizes.

Sarek

NeverFrum - glad to hear the North American Marlon Brando Lookalike Assn. is standing up for MBP. :^)

Gary Harryman

Now I know why Jews have been baking matzahs with the blood of Christian children for the last 2000 years, control all the banks and media in the world, and win a lot of Nobel prizes.

Hunh?????? Is that supposed to be satire? Sorry Chief, but I don't find the sexual mutilation of Jewish boys amusing.

Runner1983

Skeptical Yid, you write:
"1. More people die in automobiles than by MBP and no one is banning cars. Therefore MBP in cars is the best way to prevent auto accidents.
2. The Rebbeim say that MBP is safe. Therefore it is safe. If it weren't safe they would ban it, as they are omniscient."

Are you that blind? Or, you must be kidding. You can't be serious!! Putting aside the disgusting aspect of MBP, it is not to be done because it is not a sanitary practice! Period.

Regarding your second comment, "the Rebbeim say that MBP is safe, therefore it must be safe," you can't possibly be serious! These are the last people on earth I would listen to.

I know, your comments must be a spoof. Good, really good.

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