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November 05, 2012


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Great news. Hopefully the time can be extended further.

And good for business as the times will be closer to those in Europe. (That's good for Charedim because regular Israelis need to work and do business so they can pay lots of tax to support the Charedim.)

Garnel Ironheart

> and enjoyed a broad political consensus,

Yishai has a strange definition of "broad", doesn't he.

Interestingly enough, Israel adopted daylight savings time later than many Western countries because of socialist opposition. The socialists were afraid that more daylight hours would lead to longer working hours in agricultural and outdoor work and it took a long time to get them on side.


The entire universe just revolves around them, doesn't it?


The entire universe just revolves around them, doesn't it?

Posted by: Jeff | November 05, 2012 at 05:03 PM

Well, in this instance, the sun at least.... (remembering they believe in a geocentric model of the universe). :-)


Heh! Yeah.


I propose moving the clock two hours forward and instituting the new time all year round.



The country could just change the hours of the central bank and allow the haredim the feeling that the day ends earlier on Yom Kippur. But, no, without a big fucking pissing contest with the haredim it wouldn't be the Israeli Knesset.


Having Yom Kippur in Standard Time was *not* primarily meant to benefit charedim, who will be completing the fast in any event, who are used to fasting until 20:00 on 17 Tammuz and 9 Av, and will likely be starting their day on Yom Kippur with shacharis the same number of hours after (or before) sunrise as every other year, regardless of what time it says on the clock. It was an attempt to help the sizable number of traditional Israelis who fast but do not spend the day in shul, and who might have a hard time at the end. Numerous charedi MKs made this point over and over again, and I think it is true.

That being said, I happen to think it was silly, and I am in favor of yesterday's change. But I think your spin is totally off.

I also think it's good that they set DST through the beginning of October and not the beginning of November, like Nitzan Horovitz is insisting on. Do we really want sunrise getting as late as 6:55? Even leaving aside the davening issue, aren't there many secular people who start getting ready for school and work at 6:00 or 6:30, and would like to get up in the light?

"But that's how they do it in Europe" is irrelevant. We're a grown-up country and can think for ourselves about what makes sense. If you want to argue for November 1, then show me why it makes sense; don't tell me what they do in Europe. Culturally speaking, I think that people here (in Israel) start their days significantly earlier than they do in Europe, so a late sunrise presents more of a problem here.


Daylight savings time should be canceled or made permanent.
It doesnt save money if it ever did and is just silly


The point is not whether the law is good or bad, but whether the Israeli government is enforcing the law in an evenhanded manner. The US government was forbidden from selective enforcement in the Yick Wo case. See http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Yick_Wo_v._Hopkins (Unfortunately, it took the Court a long time to take the same stance regarding the Jim Crow laws.)

If the laws regarding illegal businesses were enforced with an even hand, there would be nothing wrong with what Israel is doing. However, this is not the case. If the government were evenhandedly enforcing these laws, they would most likely be stopping many Haredis from their "cash only/tax free" businesses.


Posted by: amrilusaguy | November 06, 2012 at 03:00 AM

One sane voice in a desert of lunatics.

Or perhaps everyone else is sane and you are crazy:

Doc Daneeka: You can't think like that Yossarian!
Yossarian: Why not!!!??
Doc Daneeka: What would happen if EVERYBODY thought like that?
Yossarian: The I'd be crazy not to!

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