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November 06, 2012

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Pagan

"The migrants are a danger to the future and identity of the state"

Exactly what the Palestinians said 100 years ago about the Zionist migrants. And they were absolutely right, weren't they?

So turns the wheel of karma.

Bassy the Haredi Slayer


Idiot, You lie. You smear. And you're a disgusting fool.


Your argument does not get any better by calling names to your opponents, your argument should stand on its own regardless of if your opponent is an idiot or a genius.

In order for Eritreans to go to Israel they need to pass thru Sudan, Egypt and the Sinai desert. If they do not life in Eritrea they can try to be refugees in countries much closer than Israel such as Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, Chad, South Sudan, Uganda, Central African Republic, Democratic Republic of Congo.

Africa

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/africa_map.htm

No_Light

A country that only exists because refugees of the war were taken in by other countries, fed, sheltered, and housed, and lived purely on the good will of others, even though the host countries were poor too.


A country, built on land that already belonged to someone, that gradually enlarged its footprint.

A country settled by people, many of whom could have returned to Germany, Austria, France, Poland, Russia and the Netherlands by 1950, as it was perfectly safe to do so.

A country that now seems intent on depriving certain classes of people their basic human rights, putting them in camps, and telling the world that it's necessary because "these people are all criminals, Israel is a Jewish land, these people are polluting it".


If you can't see the sick, pathetic irony in that, then you know fuck all about history. It's 1930s Germany, to the letter. This is how it starts.

nic schlagman

The problem is it is impossible for them to get licenses to open businesses so they have to open them without. When we went recently with an Eritrean man and our lawyer to the office for business licenses, we were told it was not possible and advised to open it anyway as it did not matter.

Left hand doesn't know what the right is doing?

Shmarya

…Today, a fragile peace prevails and Eritrea faces the gigantic tasks of rebuilding its infrastructure and of developing its economy after more than 30 years of fighting.

Not a fun place to be but it does not automatically make them refugees


Posted by: Bassy the Haredi Slayer | November 07, 2012 at 12:46 AM

No, idiot.

Under international law and the treaties Israel signed, it does.

That's why Israel admits that it cannot legally deport them.

You lie. You smear. And you're a disgusting fool.

Bassy the Haredi Slayer


There is no question that almost every African refugee in Israel qualifies for refugee status under international law and the treaties Israel signed but now refuses to keep.


Today, a fragile peace prevails and Eritrea faces the gigantic tasks of rebuilding its infrastructure and of developing its economy after more than 30 years of fighting.

Not a fun place to be but it does not automatically make them refugees


Shmarya

They were suppose to stop in Egypt or the Sudan and seek refugee status.

When they reach Israel they are economic refugees.

Posted by: Jake | November 06, 2012 at 11:26 PM

No, they were not.

Sudan wasn't safe for them and Egypt persecuted them, killing some and, allegedly, even allowing a few to be sold into slavery.

You simply do not know the law.

Jake

They were suppose to stop in Egypt or the Sudan and seek refugee status.

When they reach Israel they are economic refugees.

Shmarya

That may be the case but as long as no one evaluate them you do not know if they are real refugees or not. Not anyone who came from a place with internal conflict (such as Syria, Myanmar etc) is automatically a refugee.

Posted by: Bassy the Haredi Slayer | November 06, 2012 at 09:30 PM

Idiot.

You repeatedly lie and when you're caught you prove that you lack the intelligence and knowledge to comment on the issues you claim to know much about.

Refugees from Eritrea and certain other countries under international law cannot be deported back to Eritrea, etc., because they will almost certainly be killed or tortured.

There is no question that almost every African refugee in Israel qualifies for refugee status under international law and the treaties Israel signed but now refuses to keep.

But please don't let morality, ethics, fact or truth get in the way of your racism, your lies and your stupidity.

Bassy the Haredi Slayer

that many of these refugees absolutely qualify for refugee status under international law

That may be the case but as long as no one evaluate them you do not know if they are real refugees or not. Not anyone who came from a place with internal conflict (such as Syria, Myanmar etc) is automatically a refugee.

Jake

Fled not fed.

Jake

They don't qualify.
They left the persecution in their own country traversed one or more other countries and intentionally went to Israel for economic reasons.

The law requires they go to the first country they reach from the country they fed from.

Shmarya

Yishai wants police and cities to close all unlicensed businesses owned by refugees, including unlicensed business owned by the few African refugees who have been granted official refugee status by the government.

So there are refugees declared so by this blog and there are refugees declared so by the government.

Posted by: Bassy the Haredi Slayer | November 06, 2012 at 01:33 PM

So you still can't stop lying, eh?

Your selective cherry picked quotes missed this key section of my article. You'll note – provided that you aren't as stupid as you usually appear to be – that many of these refugees absolutely qualify for refugee status under international law and the treaties Israel itself signed. Israel, however, is breaking that law and those treaties:
…Israel does not provide African refugees with financial, housing or food assistance, and has refused to honestly process refugees’ applications for official refugee status, turning down almost every African refugee who has applied, even though many, if not most, absolutely qualify for official status under international treaties Israel signed.

Without legal refugee status, refugees can’t legally work in Israel or own and operate businesses there.

But this Catch-22 situation, which is artificially created by Israel’s government in order to make refugees suffer so much that they voluntarily leave Israel…Stop lying. No more warnings.

Shmarya

Clay,
Remember that the asshole who hosts this wildly distortionary site has no good will and does not work in good faith. He seeks only to undermine, and discredit religious Jews, and any beliefs stemming from it, such as Zionism.. Nothing short of cessation of any practice rooted in traditional Judaism, and anything that serves to diffetentiate between Jews and nonJews, will satisfy him. There is no room for a Jewish state in his world.
In fact, if you read what this asshole writes about Israel, you'd see he is not far removed from the Gilaf Atzmon view of the world.

Posted by: Massive Genius | November 06, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Idiot.

This supposed anti-Zionist wrote a very pro-Israel piece for the Daily Beast several months ago explaining – and defending – Netanyahu's hawkish stance on Iran.

And this supposed anti-Zionist has decades of pro-Israel activism and lobbying to his credit.

But in your sick, twisted, narrow world, anyone who opposes Netanyahu or Likud or the extreme right is an "anti-Zionist" and a self-hating Jew.

I once saw a group of hard right American Jews, many of them Orthodox, attack a highly decorated retired Israeli combat soldier for being a "self-hating" Jew and "anti-Israel" because he advocated a two state solution and was critical of some settlers' behavior and what he said was the corrosive effect of the settlements on the Israeli people and the army.

Not one of those American Jews had made aliyah or served in Israel's army (or any other army) or had ever risked their lives to defend Jews.

But that didn't stop them from defining and defaming someone who had.

You clearly disagree with my reporting and my opinions.

But you apparently lack the intelligence, the honesty and the facts to argue with me, so you revert to what your kind does so often and so well – you lie and you smear.

Truly pathetic.

Bassy the Haredi Slayer


Yishai wants police and cities to close all unlicensed businesses owned by refugees, including unlicensed business owned by the few African refugees who have been granted official refugee status by the government.


So there are refugees declared so by this blog and there are refugees declared so by the government.

jancsbacsi

Its all a matter of self interest we all look out for ourselfs before others its that simple.

Moishe

Sotty and his twisted views again.

As long as your not hasidic - not having a license and flouting government law, is actually a good thing.

Goebels on a bad day.

dh

"these folk" huh? It seems wherever you are, Times Square, Tel Aviv bus station, Port Authority.....it smells.

Bassy the Haredi Slayer

Lack of access to economic resources had nothing to do with this crime perpetrated by Eritrean refugees:

A 15-year-old girl was brutally raped, allegedly by Eritrean refugees, in south Tel Aviv last month while her boyfriend, also a minor, was forced to watch. The case was under a gag order until yesterday.

Massive Genius

Clay,
Remember that the asshole who hosts this wildly distortionary site has no good will and does not work in good faith. He seeks only to undermine, and discredit religious Jews, and any beliefs stemming from it, such as Zionism.. Nothing short of cessation of any practice rooted in traditional Judaism, and anything that serves to diffetentiate between Jews and nonJews, will satisfy him. There is no room for a Jewish state in his world.
In fact, if you read what this asshole writes about Israel, you'd see he is not far removed from the Gilaf Atzmon view of the world.

Clay Zion

I absolutely agree with AG Weinstein. I live in Israel.Its easy for these liberal armchair quarterbacks (especially the ones in their bathrobes in some basement in Minnesota) to sensationalize this. I was just today in Tel Aviv.The central bus station reminded me of what the Port Authority and Times Square looked and smelled like 25 years ago.Israel is a tiny country, we cant absorb hundreds of thousands of these folk.

Lubavitchers are Christians

Israel must keep all its obligations under international treaties. But closing down unlicensed businesses seems quite reasonable. The law-abiding citizens of Israel need to get licenses, why should new immigrants (legal or otherwise) be any different.

We are very happy when haredi unlicensed businesses are shut down. Why are we upset when immigrant unlicensed businesses are shut down.

Everyone should play by the same rules.

And the government has an obligation to protect its citizens from unfair competition.

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