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November 12, 2012

Female Soldier Reprimanded For Braiding Fellow Soldier's Hair In Front Of Haredim

Female IDF SoldiersA female IDF soldier was reprimanded and ordered to write a five-page written apology for offending haredi soldiers serving on her army base.

Female IDF Soldiers

Female Soldier Reprimanded For Braiding Fellow Soldier's Hair In Front Of Haredim
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

A female IDF soldier was reprimanded and ordered to write a five-page written apology for offending haredi soldiers serving on her army base, Yedioth Ahronoth reported earlier today.

In ordering the punishment, the private's commander claimed that she had violated the IDF's integration code by braiding a fellow female soldier’s hair in public.
 
Among other things, the integration code, enacted to help haredim integrate in the IDF, mandates a special glatt kosher food supply, separate dormitories for men and women, and special “modest” clothing to be worn during fitness exercises.

"My daughter understands the need to be sensitive to her fellow soldiers, but this is a huge exaggeration. On the one hand female soldiers are encouraged to support each other but on the other hand if her friend is crying she is not allowed to hug her in case someone is offended by it," the soldier’s mother told Yedioth Ahronoth, adding that while the feelings of haredim were a top priority for the army, her daughter's request not to wear leather shoes because she is a vegan was immediately refused.

"The IDF's orders do not forbid soldiers from braiding each other's hair. The officer made an error in judgment, which was corrected, while stressing military regulations,” an IDF spokesman told the paper, “also adding that “the soldier was given permission to wear alternative footwear within the base."

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I did training in the army. I was very offended by commanders hugging their girfriends and stroking their hair in public in the dining room. My commander told me that it was against policy, but nobody does anything about it.

Regarding dorms the army always has separate rooms for girls and boys, as they have separate bathrooms and public showers too.

Regarding dorms the army always has separate rooms for girls and boys, as they have separate bathrooms and public showers too.

Separate bathrooms and showers? What the fuck? What's next, appoint an Ayatola to command the troops? Men and woman wearing different uniforms? Sharia law on army bases?

Frum soldier,
As an ex-IDF soldier (which was even religious when served in the IDF), I have three problems with your gyes.
First, you think that you do a big favor when you go to the IDF. No, you are not. It is your citizen’s duty and obligation.
Second, you think that you have a right to keep all your style of life untouched when you are in the military. But you are not. Everybody being drafted to the military has to give away a lot of his customs, habits, freedoms and way of behavior. Because this is an army! The fun of music will have much less time to listen and/or to play his favorite songs or melodies. Party boy will have much less time and opportunity to spend in nightclubs. Somebody addicted to sea beach and surfing will not do it every weekend-but couple of times per year. So there is no reason that you gyes will not give away the standards of kashrut and Tzniut that you used to. And also will have very minimal time for Tefila and Limud. And do not say me that I cannot compare because I do can. For surfer the see, sun, wind and waves are not less spiritual and holly as for you your page of Gemarah.
And third, you gyes need to get used to normal behavior of people outside of your Ghetto. Young females (that you never saw within the artillery fire distance near you-but this is yours problem, not anybody’s alse) are normally hug, kiss, and braid each another-and this have nothing to do with lesbian sexuality-this is normal way of expression of normal girls (may be not of over-disciplined and over-regulated girls of your society, these to-be-wifes-and-mothers-in training).

Unless they were in the middle of a military drill (and therefore, should have been obeying a CO's orders), I fail to see how braiding hair is offensive to anyone.

Um, I'm trying to make sense of this. Exactly what hair was she braiding?

The female soldiers received an "upbraiding" about their tresses.

unless it was the Pubic hair what is the issue

Doesn't matter what army they are in, braids or no braids, that one soldier has one great pair of military fatigues. Does the IDF issue army certified kosher military lingerie?

is the five page letter she had to write
the same as bart simpson writing on the black board

i will not braid hair in front of charedi soldiers
i will not braid hair in front of charedi soldiers
i will not braid hair in front of charedi soldiers
for five pages worth

unless it was the Pubic hair what is the issue

Posted by: seymour | November 12, 2012 at 09:43 PM


Yucky, I do not think any girl under 30 keep it bushy. Unshaven vagina is almost like unshaven armpits. Even the mikvah ladies stopped complaining about it.

" Unshaven vagina"


As it should be. If a vagina has hair growing in it, then something is dreadfully wrong.


The vulva, on the other hand...

Posted by: Frum Soldier | November 12, 2012 at 05:41 PM

I'm confused. Do you mean male commanders hugging their girlfriends? Lesbian female commanders hugging their girlfriends? Or female commanders hugging their female friends?

Fair is fair. Chareidi soldiers should not be allowed to twirl their peyot in public, either.

Posted by: Shoshi | November 13, 2012 at 05:44 AM

No, Shoshi, he meant that they were being openly heterosexual. This is something that he could not do (and did not have to witness) where he came from. Maintaining his "frum" lifestyle, he still couldn't come out of the closet, and that just made the whole thing "light porn," which although I'm sure he enjoyed, tortured him inside as well. No one saw "lesbian" stuff going on here. Guy on girl = heterosexual; girl on girl = heterosexual - at least in the mind of the closet hetero.

Fair is fair. Chareidi soldiers should not be allowed to twirl their peyot in public, either.

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | November 13, 2012 at 06:39 AM

Yochanan, you're the best. Only you could come up with an observation this brilliant!

love the picture you posted with this article

"The IDF's orders do not forbid soldiers from braiding each other's hair. The officer made an error in judgment, which was corrected, while stressing military regulations,”

Done and done.

Posted by: Russian PhD | November 12, 2012 at 06:41 PM

It's wrong to compare habits and religious obligations in this context. The fact that you do so shows that you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

Fair is fair. Chareidi soldiers should not be allowed to twirl their peyot in public, either.

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | November 13, 2012 at 06:39 AM


Not quite, but I would agree that it would be inappropriate for one Haredi to twirl another Haredi's peyous.

Jefl,

A recent study, finally proving a link between pupil dilation with sexual preference compared gay and straight men and women watching videos of men masturbating and women masturbating. Completely straght men's eyes dilated only from watching the women, while for gay men the reverse was true. Bisexual men had pupil dilation at both instances. By women, gay women only reacted to the women masturbating. While straight women's eyes dilated by both, similar to a bisexual man.

What we see is that the mind reacts to a sensual act by the appealing gender by men, whereas by women, the very act of stimulation can induce a sensual heterosexual arousal even if that stimulation is in the (presumably heterosexual) woman alone. Women respond differently to the stimuli, and it is reasonable to apply one guy twirling his own peyos to a girl braiding her (persumably female) friend's hair, while permitting one (pesumably male) charedi to twirl his fellows peyos.

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