Cease Fire Announced

A 'quiet in exchange for quiet' ceasefire between Hamas and israel is now reportedly in place. Stage 2 negotiations dealing with arms smuggling and other issues will reportedly follow sometime in the next several weeks.

 

I just heard Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton announce the cease fire live from Cairo on MSNBC. I'll try to post more details as they come in

Comments

[Fleishike Kishke]

Bibi Netanyahu is a man who shows fealty to the defunct Lubavitcher Rebbe. No wonder he’s incompetent, delusional and corrupt. What more do you expect from a "frumma?"

[ca]

B"H

[Adam Neira]

Prayers for the Holy Land and Middle East in the coming hours and days. Take note all...Violence is not innate.

"And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."

- Malachi 4:6

Barukh Aatah Adonai...

להחזיר אותנו בעצה הטובה שלך שמתפשטת סוכת שלום עלינו

[Lubavitchers are Christians]

People still watch MSNBC?

[rebitzman]

People still watch MSNBC?

Yeah - they are more trustworthy. They had the election right. Fox news was off about 10 points.

[shmaryah is a self hating nazi kapo]

another bitter and embarrassing defeat for Israel,under the leadership of this insane self hating cowardly leftist regime of Bibi and Barak

[state of disgust]

Two bad options:
a) Agree to a ceasefire, or
b) A military ground operation in Gaza.

A ceasefire before Hamas has been cleaned out and purged is unfortunate. On the other hand, a military ground operation which could result in a large number of casualties is not an option anyone would wish for.

[ca]

Maybe we should just be thankful and hopeful for the time being.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Apologies to the Rolling Stones:
Hang Fire

In the sweet old shtetl where I come from
Nobody ever works
Yeah nothing gets done
Well cease fire, well cease fire

You know marrying money is a full time job
I will learn in a kollel
I'm a lazy slob
Cease fire, Cease fire
Cease fire, situation dire

We've Glatt Kosher to eat
We don't wanna work
Mountain Dew to drink
We only wear white shirts
I'm on the dole
We ain't for hire
You're all going to hell
You're all going to hell, cease fire
Cease fire, cease fire, situation dire
Doo doo doo

We have ten thousand scholars,nowhere to run
Amnon's prophecies are a hundred to one
Cease fire, cease fire, situation dire

[MM]

People still watch MSNBC?

Posted by: Lubavitchers are Christians | November 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Yes, and if you had, instead of all Fox all the time, you might not have made such a fool of yourself. I am talking, of course, about the foolishness you are not man enough to acknowledge and apologize for.

Mr. Not Man Enough, you still owe Nate Silver and me apologies.

[dlz]

Well, the ceasefire lasted about two minutes.

[sadisticstevestrong]

The question is...for how long this one will last?

[Lubavitchers are Christians]

People still watch MSNBC?

Posted by: Lubavitchers are Christians | November 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Yes, and if you had, instead of all Fox all the time, you might not have made such a fool of yourself. I am talking, of course, about the foolishness you are not man enough to acknowledge and apologize for.

Mr. Not Man Enough, you still owe Nate Silver and me apologies.

Posted by: MM | November 21, 2012 at 02:59 PM

Hey MM, why don't you go back to the following thread, and see what I wrote on Nov 7 at 7:51 AM.

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/11/did-american-jewish-ex-pats-in-israel-overwhelmingly-vote-for-romney-234.html

I was man enough to admit I was very wrong and that Silver was right. I did it right away, the next morning after the election.

Now let's see if you're man enough to admit that you were wrong about me not being man enough.

[Yoel Mechanic]

I hope what follows helps bring out what decisions need to be made:

The cease fire has ended long before Hamas rockets have been cleared out, and long before the threat along the border has been neutralized. To accomplish this will require a ground invasion. However a ground invasion without retaking sovereignty over these areas will result in the rockets being put back in place as soon as the IDF leaves.

Therefore, a ground invasion will not accomplish much unless followed up by retaking the area. I can see how tragic such a ground invasion without followup would be: loss of life yet allowing the situation to return to the current state in a short time.

I hope this clarifies what decisions need to be made.

[Yoel Mechanic]

An important addendum. This cease fire came rather early. Even if one decides that retaking Gaza will not be done, and then decides that a ground invasion should not be done since in the long run it will not alter the situation it is important to avoid showing weakness. That only encourages further aggression. Therefore it is necessary to have a show of strength to make Chamas (pun intended) think several times before they pull something like that again. The people who launch rockets into Israel need to feel some pain.

What other option? Complete pacific-ism?

Anyway, these measured and limited responses, these compromises seem to only continue and encourage the situation.

I am just surprised that retaking Gaza isn't given more consideration.

[Lubavitchers are Christians]

Yoel,
There was alot of pressure from the Obama Admin and the Europeans to not go in to Gaza. 70% of Israelis supported a ground invasion, so it would have only helped Bibi to go in (especially in the upcoming elections), but he couldn't stand up to the pressure from Obama.

[Yoel Mechanic]

LaC: if they don't go or won't go, they need to hit very hard so no one will think they are backing down due to weakness