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November 13, 2012

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rebitzman

Finally - a rational reason as to why Chabad kids are not allowed to own teddy bears

jancsibacsi

This rabbi who knew about it and still kept quiete about it or he is threatening the victim not to go to the police is beyond evil he should be immidiatly terminated and excomunicated from the jewish community and not the other way round .

Sarek

Not sure what Australian law is, but if this were in the U.S., I would smell charges of conspiracy, intimidation, and possibly RICO.

Stupidity isn't a crime, otherwise the death sentence would apply for imbecility in the first degree.

Kiara Delany

Oh I can't continue reading! Can't imagine something like this could still happen today! This is despicable!

Simeon

Well no doubt this Rabbi and his cohorts will face the full rigour of Australian Law and the secular press radio and TV. This scandal of covering up for paedophile activities of fellow Rabbis and/or teachers was well known in the Australian Jewish Press and efforts to get these Rabbis reprimanded within the community were rebuffed. There were efforts to get the governing Rabbis of the school dismissed or to be persuaded to resign, but these were fought off by the perpetrators and their supporting Rabbis with contempt.

So now they face far worse opprobrium and, in my view, good riddance. Some of them may even end up in prison.

So those who refuse to bring in the local police and child safey officers should be warned. Their time is coming to a end - hopefully a speedy end.

Simeon

ben

The Rabbi in question is dead I hope rotting away but his
Son-in-law took over but he’s no better the same shit piece of cloth Lubavitch

Fleishike Kishke

The authority whom Lubavitchers do or don't listen to is Schneerson. All other laws, rules, customs, have no meaning in the face of protecting Schnnerson's Cult.

dh

Which one is dead? The senior Chabad cover-up rabbi or the perpetrator rabbi? Whichever one is alive, who is he and where is he?

Shlomo1

This has also been published in the HeraldSun newspaper which has the highest circulation of any newspaper in Australia. Also the prime minister has decided to establish a royal commission into child abuse by religious organizations read Catholic and Jewish.
This will have powers to get to the truth hopefully. It has wide ranging powers it can force witnesses to testify and has powerful tools to investigate and the resources to do it.
Hopefully the whole truth will come out to remove the cancer off child abuse from our society and to finally give the victims some sense of justice

S M L

Someone once wrote that way to deal with child abusers is with a rope and a tree limb. Can't say I disagree. These are the lowest of the low.

WTF

Very distressing news - but how about some names?

"Sources have also accused Jewish leaders"
and
"One of the global Chabad community's most senior figures"

is really not good enough. FM used to be higher quality journalism - now it's worse than the Enquirer.

Shmarya

Posted by: WTF | November 13, 2012 at 05:01 PM

Does idiocy run in your family or are you unique in that regard?

Do process, you stinking little Chabad troll:

In Australia, media can't publish allegations they can't strongly back up because Australia has the most draconian libel laws in the world.

They're not yet publishing the names probably because the law there gives police first crack at investigating.

I suspect the names will be published – perhaps with news of indictments – in the future.

jancsibacsi

S M L -I would say they arent human a rabbi or a religious figure who molests or one who protects molesters cannot be human they belong to the wild beast animal kingdom i know first hand what a molester is i was a victim,sml you are so right when you write that they should be hanged i say first torture them skin them alive especially a religious figure.

WTF

Does idiocy run in your family or are you unique in that regard?

Do process, you stinking little Chabad troll:

Good answer - well thought out. But a minor correction - no affiliation w/ chabad.

Have your supermarket save you a copy of the Enquirer.

chabad are liars. they could not be trusted .

yeah, right! .....' consented to sex'....
what a b.s , talking that way .

it's well know that chabad lies and give unthinkable answers to get away with an
allegation .

chabad are liars . no one should trust them .

Korben Dallas

is really not good enough. FM used to be higher quality journalism - now it's worse than the Enquirer.

Posted by: WTF | November 13, 2012 at 05:01 PM

Fuck you. Fuck your mother. Fuck your idol. Fuck his name. Fuck your cult. Fuck your uniform. You will burn in hell and I'm gonna send you.

Emanuel Newgant

WTF, you are just another Yeshivah Centre apologist of the worst kind (though they are all very bad, so that's saying something), a malicious fool. A fool, because FM just copied an Australian newspaper; malicious because: do you really expect the paper to names names at this stage with the defamation laws in Australia what they are?

Are you seriously claiming the report is not true? You are a YC troll.

Steven

KD - chill, chill, chill.

Shmarya

Fuck you. Fuck your mother. Fuck your idol. Fuck his name. Fuck your cult. Fuck your uniform. You will burn in hell and I'm gonna send you.

Posted by: Korben Dallas | November 13, 2012 at 05:59 PM

Way out of line.

Either get a grip on yourself, stop threatening people and behave, or I'll ban you.

WTF

"Way out of line.

Either get a grip on yourself, stop threatening people and behave, or I'll ban you."

Thanks Shmarya. Banning Korben would benefit society in general.

Not that I care, but I am not a yeshiva or former yeshiva student, not a member or believer in chabad, perhaps a fool, but I do admire Korben's sexual ambition - a busy and misguided little fellow.

But I do expect a little more specificity when it is available. Otherwise these are just allegations, counter-allegations, and rumors.

Aussie wanker

I think this article is taking about Rabbi YD Groner who is now dead so he can't defend himself.
Good on Manny and his wonderful family for waiting until Groner died to make their most credible accusations (sarcasm intended)

baseballs

Off topic but chabad news story...Rabbi wants to be next manager of the Toronto blue jays

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2012/11/13/20351896.html

Shmarya

Posted by: WTF | November 13, 2012 at 07:31 PM

I and others explained this to you very clearly. You're either being disingenuous or you really are a fool.


I think this article is taking about Rabbi YD Groner who is now dead so he can't defend himself.
Good on Manny and his wonderful family for waiting until Groner died to make their most credible accusations (sarcasm intended)

Posted by: Aussie wanker | November 13, 2012 at 07:48 PM

Idiot.

Groner did those things, and several people have already given personal testimony about it in court.

You see, moron, it isn't one person or one family making allegations. It's many people and many families.

Past that, the article is talking (rather clearly) about a current Chabad rabbi, as well.

And soon, little man, your whole house of cards will tumble down.

michael

tzefanya is still sitting at the mizrach vant in yeshiva college, so let's keep things in perspective

Shai j

Good ya manny!

Eli, what me messiah?

Just gotta love the Lubav trolls on this one. When FM posted reports and named names responsible for the abuse, the trolls attacked the victim who had the guts to speak out, Manny (or his father).

When the Lubav pattern of tolerating abuse starts getting more media attention and Shmarya reprints an article from a newspaper in Oz, he is accused of tabloid journalism.

Defend the abuser, attack the victim, vilify the messenger.

Don't Chabadniks feel any shame at all or even a modicum of human decency? (Rhetorical question....)

Emanuel Newgant

Interesting how (some) people are sure Groner is being referred to. Convenient for the guilty enablers that are still living. Expect much more of this when Kramer is back in Australia, as already happened in the DC committal: we knew nothing, it was all all Groner. Then we'll blame Manny Waks for ruining Groner's good name. It's a win-win for the forces of evil, or so they think.

Steven

Hopefully victims will come forward and testify who knew what and when.

Former Londoner

In Lubavitch London we had 2 teachers that would physically abuse boy in front
Of the class, he would put his hands down the back of the boy’s trousers and pants and play with the boy’s balls

The other teacher would get a boy to take down his trousers again in front of the class
Making the boy turn around to show the class then he would bend him over his knee rub the boys bum and whack

Then we had another, the head of the mechina that would also feel up the boys

Shit like this went on for years

Now the new head in Australia is Telzner another piece of crap he actually lived in London since 1972/3 when he had to run from the USA for some big fraud

So that’s Lubavitch for you

Steven

FL why don't you call the police yourself and tell them what you know?

Former Londoner

Well you see I think looking at Lubavitch uk today they are and have been
On self destruct mode for years, I still see it crumbling

Another point I think that in general the Ultra Orthodox Kehilla on London
Deserve all they get with regards abusers, they want them, they protect them so they deserve them

Emanuel Newgant

I'm interested in how CH is looking at the scandals in YC Melbourne (that's where I live), both the big shots & the people in the street. Do they talk about it? Don't care? Please be honest, only say what you actually know.

The Anti-Schmerl

The Waks family lived off of Groner's assistance for years. The family is as dysfunctional as a gaggle of loons (although I actually do blame Chabad in Australia for ever encouraging the parents to have so many kids when there was no means of support). Had Manny Waks dared to bring this up when Groner was alive, some dirt would have really hit the fan.

The rabbi who is referred to here, unless it is my second long-shot guess, is hardly a figure in worldwide Chabad.

I'm not in CH, but my feeling is that CH could care less about Australia. It has plenty of its own problems, quite a few of whom are being dealt with legally. However, the way the justice system is dealing with the CH molestors, I don't blame anyone for not going to the police. Each one I know of got a slap on the wrist, except for one who managed to jump bail.

Molestors of all stripes need visits from shtarkers who make it clear that they better get on Depo-Provera, by hook or by crook, or they'll end up buried in unmarked graves in the old Italian cemetery at the bottom of the Hudson.

Emanuel Newgant

Shmarya, can't you just force the Yeshiva trolls to call themselves YCtroll#1,#2 etc?

"The Anti-Schmerl" (no, you really are a Schmerl): "The Waks family lived off of Groner's assistance for years". That's very interesting. I see at least 3 possibilities.
1. Mr Waks told you.
2. An employee of YC broke professional confidence and told you.
3. It's a lie.

I'm going with option 3.

Eli, what me messiah?

FL, what you describe is horrendous. If it really happened, go to the police and name names if any of those molesters are still alive. You would appear to have ample corroborating witnesses.
This is the sort of abuse that perpetuates abusers in future generations.

Aussie

I think this article is taking about Rabbi YD Groner who is now dead so he can't defend himself.
Posted by: Aussie wanker | November 13, 2012 at 07:48 PM

LOL...You really are a wanker....The story is talking about Rabbi Glick.....

And Glick is fucked when he's called to answer questions at the Royal commission....
If he lies like he did at the Cyprys committal then he's gonna end up in jail....

The Anti-Schmerl

I am not a Schmerl. My name is not Shmarya or Shmaryahu. Schmerl is a legitimate, but outmoded, Yiddish diminutive for Shmarya(hu). I have good friends who are descended from someone who bore the same first and last names as the Rashag and they affectionately refer to their ancestor as Schmerl.

Anyone who has any knowledge of Chabad in Melbourne knows the story of the Waks family. I am probably one of the few who sees both sides of it, because I'm not a "kiruv at all costs" type and I truly believe Chabad in Australia created many of the family's myriad problems.

I also believe molestors should be handled within the community - by Shomrim and Shmira type gangsters who read them the riot act. Too many known molestors of all stripes get away with probation, which does not do justice to the victims.

The Anti-Schmerl is an ill man

The Anti-Schmerl you are a sick man. you dont know the family and im sure they just cant stand you. Good to see they distance themselves from moron like you. Menachem (as we knew him in school) has many supporters religious and non religious friends. Go to hell and hope you rot.

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